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| This fight was awesome!! I was really proud of Gon when he landed that punch on Hisoka : ) |
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| HOLY FREAKIN COW. DAT ANIMATION |
| LOL @ the Swing or whatever, and then a white spot over his boner :P Awesome ep :D Had to actually clap(3 times) for Gon for actually managing to move Hisoka :P |
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| Oh, damn, damn, damn! GREAT episode!!!!! Well, they are trying to keep the tension by saying "Gon is about to experience Hisoka's true power" in the conclusion, but even if Hisoka crushed him next episode, Gon 1: passed the exam, 2: passed the secret exam, 3: punched Hisoka. He finally met all 2 (plus his personal third) requirements to rightfully call himself a Hunter. |
| That punch. This fight made me so excited again! |
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| Look at when gon is hiding, he gas no aura around him; Zetsu! Awesome details |
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| Shining crotch > shining finger? |
| Dam man Gon is a beast. Madhouse definitely did a good job on the first half of the fight. I liked every bit of it. Especially when Gon picked up the slab to sneak in a punch. This shit is making me to anxious. We need to be at episode 120 already! lol |
| Okay, I never really cared that Madhouse decided to animate HxH again. I was like... WHY AM I WATCHING THIS AGAIN? The first anime was perfectly fine. Until this episode. Yep. DAT ANIMATION. I cannot wait for the next arc. If only every week would come by more quickly. By the way, I'm too lazy to quote anything but the comment about Gon not beating Hisoka. I think you should just stop now. You aren't going to see a 12 year old beat up experienced nen users with 4 months of practice. Just stick to Bleach. |
vansonbee said: My favorite Pedo character so far in anime history ^  This is what stood out for me in this ep' - didn't think the anime would go there, but they went there! |
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| I gave it a 5... I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you? I don't! Gotta love it! |
Chibi_Ubu said: I gave it a 5... I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you? I don't! Gotta love it! Hunter X Hunter (1999) would like to have a word with you. It's better than 2011 in every way except for graphic quality, in my opinion ofc. |
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flaxman85 said: Chibi_Ubu said: Hunter X Hunter (1999) would like to have a word with you.I gave it a 5... I just wish that it was just a little slower in plot development... more episodes for character development. You don't chug a glass of fine wine, do you? I don't! Gotta love it! It's better than 2011 in every way except for graphic quality, in my opinion ofc. *sigh* Guys, you've been watching HxH for 30+ episodes already. Haven't it become obvious to you that the "character development" you're looking for comes hand in hand with the "plot development"? As the story progresses, we gradually learn more of the characters and what makes them tick through how they think and act on situations. Hunter x Hunter is not like any other typical shounen that for you to understand a character (his personality/motives), they tell you their lifestory. Togashi employs the "show" not the "tell". Togashi actually made his stance on the flashback / tragic past trope prevalent on shounen series through Hisoka - he doesn't care about the past because the past doesn't interest him. The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line. --- On a happy note, I love this episode because THAT ANIMATION and Hisoka's pedo vibes was included. I was sure it wouldn't be included so I was really surprised. |
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The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line. And under the assumption we have free will and different opinions, just because one version is closer to Togashi's vision doesn't mean any person here has to like or prefer that version. The 1999 created no problems down the line. |
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Anime_Name said: The 1999 created no problems down the line. Funniest comment i read all week. Keep em coming. |
| LOL 1999 created no problems.... The 1999 series added extra continents to world map that don't exist and contradict the manga.   The real world map (for new fans don't click) Major spoiler below v |
NJZanDatsuJun 19, 2012 8:33 PM
noonealive said: Anime_Name said: The 1999 created no problems down the line. Funniest comment i read all week. Keep em coming. Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited. The 1999 series added extra continents to world map that don't exist and contradict the manga. Other than not being what Togashi drew or not being how it is in the manga, what is the problem created by the 1999 world map? |
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Anime_Name said: The 1999 series though just did the "telling" (establishing the characters) right from the start w/c created problems down the line. And under the assumption we have free will and different opinions, just because one version is closer to Togashi's vision doesn't mean any person here has to like or prefer that version. The 1999 created no problems down the line. Lol no. |
bleachjoj said: Lol no. The 1999 series lasted until Greed Island and had no "problems" because how the story was adapted. All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga. |
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brigid001 said: Anime_Name said: bleachjoj said: Lol no. The 1999 series lasted until Greed Island and had no "problems" because how the story was adapted. All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga. But it is a problem because now fans who have watched the 1999 series and not read the manga think the older series is absolutely faithful. They criticise the 2011 series for altering things, when really it has tried to stay more closely to the manga. As an anime and manga fan I find that anime viewers are pretty adept at finding disparities between manga and anime. Why do you think HxH fans any more less able to check out the manga than OP, Bleach, Reborn, or any other adaptation fans? People critizing the 2011 series because it doesn't do some of the things only found in the 1999 series is not a problem the 1999 series caused. There's a thing called personal preference that causes people to have different opinions. FMA had a more emotional Nina arc than the manga and Bortherhood but it's not FMA's fault that some people preferred how the first series expanded on Nina. If I were to use your logic then the new series is the one causing the problems because it is causing the fans(new and old) to pick sides and quarrel about unimportant things like whether a picture has an extra continent on it even though NO BODY goes to the continent and all the other continents are unchanged. Sure there's nothing wrong with someone preferring the 1999 series, that's perfectly fine.[/quote} You say that here but your only complaint was that people preferred the 1999 series. However, I think it changed too many things from the manga and made me appreciate it less. That's irrelevant. You're just trading one opinion for another and only like read opinions like that more because you agree with it. Changes in characterisations of killua, gon, kurapika, changing mito's relation to ging, altering order of events and that god awful illumi vs gon fight are all things that really irked me and did create problems down the line. The anime used a different relationship for Mito, what problem did it create? The character is still basically the same. First cousin or aunt, Gon still regards her as his mom. You are entitled to your opinion but it's hard for me to understand how you can't see these problems in the 1999 anime. It's quiet simple really. People like you are turning insignificant differences that at no point in time interfered with the storytelling of the anime or manga and acting as if being different is enough to cause problems. |
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Anime_Name said: Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited. Problem is i don't need to. An anime adaptation that doesn't follow the manga to a certain extent causes problems down the line. Like i told you before Gon's Mom has a grave on whale island in the adaptation. Manga no such thing occurred. Hence problems down the line. Hence why your comment was the funniest one i read. |
noonealiveJun 20, 2012 5:10 PM
Anime_Name said: Then all I ask you is actually think it over w/o your obvious bias to the 1999 series getting in the way.The 1999 created no problems down the line. Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited. All I ask is for you people to learn the difference from there being a problem vs it not being how Togashi did it in the manga. Gon from the first 3-4 episodes in the 1999 series was established as a mature (man-child) and good (against killing) kid. But then whenever he and Killua are together, his "maturity" completely vanishes and he revert to an "innocent" child so that Killua CAN be the "mature" one. His "goodness" was thrown out the window when he allowed Hisoka to kill 2 applicants in the 4th exam phase in order for him to get his tag. In short, he sacrificed 2 people for his selfish reason. Where is his "goodness" now? As for Killua, the minute we were introduce to him, he was established as Hiei version 2 (YYH). He's standoffish, quiet, serious and doesn't know the word "friend" (or what it means). Then he and Gon had a talk on the blimp and Killua mentioned that "he's charming because people can never tell if he's joking or serious". That's odd. All his appearances prior to that talk was him being Hiei ver 2. What part did he made jokes, do funny stuff or even be happy? And then when we got to the Zoldyck mansion mini-arc, we learned that when he was young, he tried to befriend the new staff (Kanaria/Canary). Wait, back up. Is this the same guy or was he swapped with someone else? Oh, he must have drop his head REALLY HARD that his personality completely changed. I will skip Kurapika since the problem with his "emo" personality changed hasn't been animated yet on the new series. If Furuhashi (99 series director) got the balls to change the characters Togashi created, he should have gotten ALL THE WAY and change events that SUITED the characters he established. Because of his half-assed changes - mashing his OWN characters with Togashi's plot - not only it created characterization inconsistencies but also plot holes/inconsistencies as well. Hence, the "problems down the line". Anime_Name said: If you recall, it's the 99 fans who started their campaign against the 2011 series first. Most (long-time) manga fans went out of "hiding/lurking" after about 20 or so episodes have been aired and we still see/read the "they changed it, now it sucks" complaints from the 99 fans.If I were to use your logic then the new series is the one causing the problems because it is causing the fans(new and old) to pick sides and quarrel about unimportant things... Don't go blaming the new series for "causing the rift" between the fans. Backtracking on this site's forum alone can tell you who started the rift. |
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noonealive said: Anime_Name said: Funny thing is the lack of problems being cited. Problem is i don't need to. An anime adaptation that doesn't follow the manga to a certain extent causes problems down the line. Like i told you before Gon's Mom has a grave on whale island in the adaptation. Manga no such thing occurred. Hence problems down the line. Hence why your comment was the funniest one i read. The wording was "created" problems down the line and such an assessment requires proof of what problems were "created". Seeing as it wasn't your statement you don't need to support it but latching onto it and doing a useless +1 post does nothing. The game in the 1999 is a disparity and one that could be a problem, if and only if, Gon's mom ever makes an appearance in the manga. Gon from the first 3-4 episodes in the 1999 series was established as a mature (man-child) and good (against killing) kid. But then whenever he and Killua are together, his "maturity" completely vanishes and he revert to an "innocent" child so that Killua CAN be the "mature" one. He was not established as such and over the course of the anime(the parts that COMPLETELY matched the manga) it depicted Gon as not bing averse to killing and that he understood how necessary killing may be. The whole accepting Killua as a friend and not flinching about his family is a little hint that Gon isn't terribly moral. Even if any of the anime only characterizations were wrong they self-corrected by following the manga in other parts of the manga. In fact all of you problem characterizations need for a person who watched the 1999 series to have stopped watching it at the point a difference occur so that they don't see the times where the 1999 series follows the manga. Since the 1999 series also had plenty(it had more similarities than differences) of similarites the characterizations are not that different, there will be some "anime only" tidbits out there because that's what happens when stores get adapted but merely having differences does not call for the type of reaction you are putting forth. If Furuhashi (99 series director) got the balls to change the characters Togashi created, he should have gotten ALL THE WAY and change events that SUITED the characters he established. Are you blind and ignorant to what anime does to manga ALL THE TIME? Togashi is not god, it doesn't take balls for a director to change somethings from the manga. All it takes is the the brains to understand that anime is a different medium and as such some concessions and creative differences will occur. Proof? Try looking at other big name shounen anime; Dragon Ball, One Piece, Bleach, Detective Conan, etc. The list goes on and Togashi is not going to be an exception. The only issue is the degree that which you react to said differences. Don't go blaming the new series for "causing the rift" between the fans. Backtracking on this site's forum alone can tell you who started the rift. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said "If" and that statement was created to provide a contrast to how someone was using the fan reaction to the 2011 series has being a problem the 1999 caused. The conclusion on what's to blame was illogical. |
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bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. |
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| This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy. |
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Anime_Name said: bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them. |
Anime_Name said: The wording was "created" problems down the line and such an assessment requires proof of what problems were "created". Seeing as it wasn't your statement you don't need to support it but latching onto it and doing a useless +1 post does nothing. The game in the 1999 is a disparity and one that could be a problem, if and only if, Gon's mom ever makes an appearance in the manga. It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? |
bleachjoj said: Anime_Name said: bleachjoj said: Like talking to a brick wall. Oh look another one-liner that is more of an ad hominem than a defense or support of anything that's open for discussion. I've presented my argument multiply times and so have others. But you ignored them. "lol no" is an argument now? I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation. It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. Since the word used was "created" then that means a problem exists not that a possible problem could arise. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created. So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic. Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states. |
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| another great ep, cant wait for the next one. SCHWING! lol, that made me laugh so hard. |
Mikasa said: This arc shits on the 1999 version guys. IMHO...the H stands for holy. This ac isn't even that good to begin with, not even in manga. So no big deal. |
| i loved the animation, the fighting was..it was..so best! XD <3 |
eucalyptustree16 said: noonealive said: It does not matter if she appears or not. Gon was dropped off to Mito by his Dad(Mito and Ging are related). Gon's real mom is not comfirmed dead. The 1999 plays it off as Gon was born and raised on whale island by his Aunt Mito with a dead mom's burial site. This deviates from the manga completely. How is changing ones back story (especially the main character) not "create" problems down the road? I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so. Anime_Name said: "lol no" is an argument now? I addressed just about everyone that quoted me. That's hardly "ignoring" but I guessing not agreeing is the new ignoring for this generation. . We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument. |
I'm tired of people listing "Bright colors" as a con. As if most anime now as days aren't lighter than anime in the 90's. The childish feeling was present in the 1999 anime as well, maybe even more so. In the TV series and Yorkshin arc, no. For Greed Island, yes. I complain about the color palette of the 2011 series just as much as I complain about the Greed Island OVA's color palette. We've had this argument before but like you've done to everyone you ignore what they say and continue to say the same thing. You clearly have trouble understanding how others have successfully countered your argument. Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. |
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Anime_Name said: Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said. |
bleachjoj said: Anime_Name said: Yeah it's you trying to maintain that any and all changes are problems and are lesser than the manga just because it wasn't from Togashi's hand. So yeah, trying to go differences = problems isn't going to work. This right here explains how you have not comprehended anything I've or anyone else has said. I comprehend fine but don't think comprehension means I am going to agree. If you want to keep trying to question my comprehension then by all means point out the arguments I have not understood. |
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| @Anime_Name Candor said: You're right about that. That's why I applaud MH for making this arc fun and at least memorable... SCHWING!Yea, it's the most boring arc in HxH, but well there's always an arc where they explain something (Nen in HxH's case), which is a prelude for a great serie or a great arc that's gonna come next. eucalyptustree16 said: Yes, the changes aren't bad but you cannot say they are good either when you review it in the context of good storytelling. What would the 99 series do WHEN Togashi touch upon Gon's other parent? Gon obviously doesn't care (or seem to) about his birth mother but what about Ging?I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. The childish feeling IS intended. Does it not also occur to you when you read the manga (barring the graphic violence)? Even the manga covers of volumes 1-6 has a "childish" feel and look to it. As for the "lame soundtrack", I too was annoyed with it but after 10 or so episodes and it become apparent that MH doesn't intend to change how they use the soundtrack, I looked at it at a different angle: What if MH doesn't (fully) intend that the BGM match the mood of a scene but rather what the character(s) is/are feeling in that scene/event? It helps drive the point that these said characters are definitely NOT normal if they're feeling cheery and adventurous on a life and death scenario (Gon) or feeling sexy and flirty while fighting/killing people (Hisoka). It also serves as a distraction - aimed to the younger audience - and misdirection - aimed to casual viewers (read: parents) - that HxH is your regular kid-friendly anime... hence, the "cute" character design, the "kiddy" BGM and use of creative censorship. BlackListHunter said: She just forgot because Hisoka raped her and then he banged her head to a wall so she'll forget about it. :PI remember that in the old anime, machi was watching the fight between Gon Vs Hisoka. and when On that note, Machi in the old anime feels very feminine (lipstick!) with her doing her hair (w/ a mirror) while watching Gon-Hisoka fight when she's more of a tomboy in the manga. <---- which certainly shed light to WHY Hisoka is interested in her |
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eucalyptustree16 said: I watched 99 version before reading the manga and was not bothered by the changes. So apparently they´re not that bad. So no, that´s not a problem. In fact, I´d rather have some minor changes, than the shit I had to get through with this version in the beginning. That lame soundtrack, bright colours and childish feeling. I will choose the first half of the Hunter exam of the 99 version anytime over this version. But the Zoldyck and Heavens arena arc go to this one. See you read the manga so you know the material. Now Say if someone watched 99 version and read the manga from where the anime left off.... it's a problem no matter how big or small. So yeah it's a problem. |
Anime_Name said: How hard is this to understand? IF she never makes an appearance or IF she gets confirmed to be dead then there isn't a problem. The problem only happens IF she is confirmed alive in the manga. The topic has yet to be handled in the manga, so unless you know what Togashi is going to do then you can conclude that a problem was created. So if we worded it as creating a possible problem down the road I would agree, and then it would be dependent on how his mom is introduced. If it's written that they thought she was dead having an honorary burial is hardly out of place or problematic. Seeing as Togashi hasn't really touched on it he very well could take a page from the previous anime and just go with her being dead. If anything this complaint is a prime example of the Schrodinger's cat theory. Since you can't prove either either both remain valid states. Beating around the bush is sad. Look, changing how a person is characterized is a problem. It doesn't matter if Togashi hasn't presented Gon's mom yet. When people watch the 1999 anime and not read the manga they are going to have the impression that Gon was raised by his dead mom's sister. Which in fact she isn't dead in the manga nor related to Mito. It's a problem plain and simple. |
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