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06-16-12, 3:25 PM

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Anime_Name said:
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It is a good point. There would be no way naturally to prove it. Unless amazon japan has statistics for how many foreign copies are sold... Are you suggesting that the rest of the world is going to soon be without fansubs?


I wasn't trying to distinguish between legal or illegal viewership since people in Japan also download anime illegally. Regardless of how it is watched it would be a bitch to try and prove how much anime is watched outside/inside of Japan.

My opinion is given that anime is the domestic source of entertainment and they have access to 100% of it, that it would be an uphill battle to prove that the rest of the world has more anime watchers.
--The one safe bet would be the percentage of the Japanese population as opposed to that in other places in the world, specifically "The West" as it is the area in question.

Edit: Intermittent Internet Idiotness set in. What I meant to convey is that the percentage of anime fandom is higher in Japan and that it has a bigger impact on pop culture there. Duh.
Modified by lisnoire, 06-16-12, 3:31 PM
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06-16-12, 3:27 PM

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Enjolras1830 said:

i said the ones i though t were nopt subbed since i do not need subs i dont look of them


Then why the hell are you talking about the topic like you know everything about it?

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06-16-12, 3:32 PM

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lisnoire said:
Anime_Name said:
Suzune-chan said:
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It is a good point. There would be no way naturally to prove it. Unless amazon japan has statistics for how many foreign copies are sold... Are you suggesting that the rest of the world is going to soon be without fansubs?


I wasn't trying to distinguish between legal or illegal viewership since people in Japan also download anime illegally. Regardless of how it is watched it would be a bitch to try and prove how much anime is watched outside/inside of Japan.

My opinion is given that anime is the domestic source of entertainment and they have access to 100% of it, that it would be an uphill battle to prove that the rest of the world has more anime watchers.
--The one safe bet would be the percentage of the Japanese population as opposed to that in other places in the world, specifically "The West" as it is the area in question.


That might work if you're talking about one specific show but when saying so about the total compendium of anime it makes such a bet very risky, assuming you can see past your self-important delusions.

 
06-16-12, 3:33 PM

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Anime_Name said:
lisnoire said:
Anime_Name said:
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It is a good point. There would be no way naturally to prove it. Unless amazon japan has statistics for how many foreign copies are sold... Are you suggesting that the rest of the world is going to soon be without fansubs?


I wasn't trying to distinguish between legal or illegal viewership since people in Japan also download anime illegally. Regardless of how it is watched it would be a bitch to try and prove how much anime is watched outside/inside of Japan.

My opinion is given that anime is the domestic source of entertainment and they have access to 100% of it, that it would be an uphill battle to prove that the rest of the world has more anime watchers.
--The one safe bet would be the percentage of the Japanese population as opposed to that in other places in the world, specifically "The West" as it is the area in question.


That might work if you're talking about one specific show but when saying so about the total compendium of anime it makes such a bet very risky, assuming you can see past your self-important delusions.
--See edit above. . . . . and what are you being pissy about with your "self-important" assertion? I was supporting your statement and no, I don't think you need my support.
Modified by lisnoire, 06-16-12, 3:36 PM
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06-16-12, 3:34 PM

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lisnoire said:
--See edit above.

Been a long day I guess.

 
06-16-12, 3:48 PM

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KeiraShikari said:
Enjolras1830 said:

i said the ones i though t were nopt subbed since i do not need subs i dont look of them


Then why the hell are you talking about the topic like you know everything about it?


someone brought up percent ages of things i id tought id chime in
my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
06-16-12, 10:20 PM

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Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!
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06-16-12, 10:37 PM

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I Only Dislike When People See ONE Anime And They Can Judge ALL Anime
 
06-16-12, 10:39 PM

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Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!


The average wester anime fan has no worse taste than the average Japanese.

In fact I'd say we have better taste, Japanese usually buy crap.

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06-16-12, 10:42 PM

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Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!


Americans seem to go for action anime,which would lead them to shounen anime & manga that consist of the most popular action anime.This is most likely because of Toonami airing action animated shows,namely anime.And shounens were a strong part of Toonami.So basically,American anime fans (in general) prefer action anime because of the amount of exposure to it.
So in my opinion,they have action taste but not all.I,an American fan myself,don't stick to action or shounen anime only.I prefer to get a taste of all kinds of anime.
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Space Brothers - The best anime of 2012 & possibly the best slice-of-life anime I've seen.It may have some flaws (which doesn't affect my opinion),but I have yet to see anyone hate this series.
 
06-16-12, 10:45 PM

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KeiraShikari said:
The average wester anime fan has no worse taste than the average Japanese.

In fact I'd say we have better taste, Japanese usually buy crap.


*sigh* Here we go with more moe/harem/ecchi anime hate.They all are just as good & just as bad.Anyway,those are mostly aimed for the generic anime otaku.
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Space Brothers - The best anime of 2012 & possibly the best slice-of-life anime I've seen.It may have some flaws (which doesn't affect my opinion),but I have yet to see anyone hate this series.
 
06-16-12, 10:57 PM

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I just think there is way too much over-generalization going on. Not every Westerner has a limited and/or narrow view of anime and not every Japanese has indisputable, exquisite taste.

I am a Western anime fan, but I enjoy more than the typical shows which are aired here on television. Granted these shows were the ones that drew my attention to this type of media, but I wouldn't even consider them my favorite anymore. However, I also have friends who consider themselves "anime fans" but only watch Naruto/One Piece/Bleach and are convinced there is nothing better. I also seem to run into these types of fans more often than not, so I can understand where the misconception comes from that all Westerners are so narrow-minded. However, I can assure you that there are plenty of us here who aren't don't possess such a limited spectrum of view.

 
06-16-12, 10:58 PM

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06-16-12, 11:23 PM

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KeiraShikari said:
Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!


The average wester anime fan has no worse taste than the average Japanese.

In fact I'd say we have better taste, Japanese usually buy crap.
Sweeping generalizations are sweeping.
 
06-17-12, 1:18 AM

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Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!

Everyone's taste varies from person to person no matter where you live, but shonen is incredibly popular in America because most fans were introduced to anime through action-oriented shows they saw on TV as kids.

A lot of stuff we see on TV and movies is action based anyway, so you're more likely to get someone to like a shonen at first than getting them to like an SoL. Though this doesn't always work with everyone, because like I said, everyone's taste varies.

I can't say much about the western fanbase other than we all like anime in one way or another.
 
06-17-12, 1:19 AM

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Yvese said:
KeiraShikari said:
Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!


The average wester anime fan has no worse taste than the average Japanese.

In fact I'd say we have better taste, Japanese usually buy crap.
Sweeping generalizations are sweeping.


Considering the fact I said "Usually" it's hardly a sweeping generalisation.

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06-17-12, 4:32 AM

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KeiraShikari said:
Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!


The average wester anime fan has no worse taste than the average Japanese.

In fact I'd say we have better taste, Japanese usually buy crap.


http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Movies-TV-Anime-Manga/zgbs/movies-tv/2650364011/ref=pd_ts_zgc_mov_2650364011_morl?pf_rd_p=1328953682&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2650364011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=12AF010CDAC945468890

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/562020/ref=pd_ts_zgc_d_562020_more?pf_rd_p=113677189&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=562020&pf_rd_m=AN1VRQENFRJN5&pf_rd_r=1TNGKZG3JJ1ZK2EMHM71
 
06-17-12, 5:06 AM

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Yeah lets be honest westerners like shit and easterners like shit lol.... but at the same time there are really good ones in both of them. They both seem to trend with the newer stuff in general, but westerns like the big classics a lot more, and action a lot more, and in japan they like their moe quite a lot. There seems to be a lot more older ones doing good in the west than in japan, older ones as in way old not sort of old. I think moe is really too weak here in the west, people always bitch about cause they just want their actions shows so it gets really shut out.
 
06-17-12, 6:10 AM

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Mow123 said:
Yeah lets be honest westerners like shit and easterners like shit lol.... but at the same time there are really good ones in both of them. They both seem to trend with the newer stuff in general, but westerns like the big classics a lot more, and action a lot more, and in japan they like their moe quite a lot. There seems to be a lot more older ones doing good in the west than in japan, older ones as in way old not sort of old. I think moe is really too weak here in the west, people always bitch about cause they just want their actions shows so it gets really shut out.

You're forgetting one part of the American mix... action and celebrities.

I mean honestly, do you think it really took $78,000,000 to make The Hunger Games?

That's what takes a big chunk out of American movie budgets if I'm not mistaken. Does anyone have related info on Japanese films when it comes to this? (Japanese celebrity voice actors included).
 
06-17-12, 7:52 AM

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Silent_Sword said:
Well... uh...

What do you think in Americans' taste in anime? Usually, I see people just watch shonen series, especially Naruto. Even my younger cousin watches subbed Naruto!
--You are tarring everyone with the same brush. I invite you to take a look at my list. You won't find much popular shounen or much moe. I think you will find that the case with many of the more experienced anime fans regardless of nationality.

Fandom means something different to every individual participant. I get annoyed by people who won't venture outside the "top 100" or look at anything not rated above a 7, or before a certain year, but my annoyance is my problem, not theirs. If someone loves Naruto because it made them aware of anime, then good for Naruto. If some people feel compelled to stick with dubs, it is their choice, (and yes, there are a few good dubs). If they develop a real passion for anime, they will get into subs because the licensed dub pool is pretty shallow.

Repeating what I said much earlier in this thread - I get tired of some common complaints and questions about anime that stem from a lack of understanding of the culture that originated the story. Americans in particular, and I am one so I can freely state this, can be particularly egocentric, arrogant, and unconcerned with the the way the rest of the world thinks.
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