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So... anyone else read the title as Falcon Punches Pedophile to death?

One more reason why Texas is the worst state in the US.

I personally don't think he should be charged... but he should have had a little self-restraint so he didn't kill him..

In the video from:



If you listen to the father calling for an ambulance, he says, "This guy is fixin' to die on me."

He didn't think that he was dead yet. He obviously wasn't trying to kill him, and he called 911 in an attempt to save his life.

I'm glad that this man wasn't charged with anything. Because I'm sure that that five year old girl wouldn't be any more traumatized from her father going to jail for protecting her than from him beating the guy up.

More lologic.

Of course he should be charged, he killed a man. I don't care if you think he deserved it, if we allow him to go free because of the fact the victim committed a crime, then the law becomes pointless. "Stealing is illegal, unless they deserve it". Where's the line of deserving it? Can I murder a guy if he robbed my house, or does it only become okay if he assaulted one of my family members as well?

Let's assume the guy was a pedophile and was actually molesting his daughter, even if this is the case, he didn't deserve to die, he deserved to go to prison. People seem to be confused between justice and revenge, revenge is what the father (supposedly) did, justice was that the guy should have served his time, and he should have been rehabilitated and given the chance to enter society again, provided he had been "cured". It's worrying how little people seem to be able to tell the difference between Justice and Revenge.

^Now that's a post.

i dont think he should be charged because of what the guy was doing to his daughter...but he did kill a guy....but he was molesting his daughter....i dont know.

I agree with your basic point -- whether the attacker deserved to die is irrelevant.

Just deserts aside, you've got to overcome the defense-of-another defense before you bring charges. Here, a rape in progress authorized the use of deadly force to stop and (probably - I don't live in TX) subdue the attacker. Without forensic evidence of sheer overkill, there's no case against the father.

Plus, the fact that every jury is going to think that the deceased deserved to die makes bringing charges a waste of time and money.

There's also the concern over 'chilling' the idea of self-defense. As a policy matter, you want to support the idea that acting in the defense of other people is justified. Make no mistake, the decision whether to charge this guy was infused with political considerations.

Oh one more thing -- if you see someone begin to break into your home, you may in fact shoot that person in the face. Essentially, it's inferred that a person breaking into your home is doing so with deadly intent.

I wouldn't call it revenge though. He was defending his daughter, but he was also in a naturally enraged state. He didn't try to go find him after some to give some payback.

Prison would have been the right place to go, but not to be "cured" for reintegration into society. US prisons stopped being centers for rehabilitation long ago, as the whole theory never really worked. They're for people to serve out their time and punishment for their crimes as they should. When any are released or not shouldn't be judged on a standard of whether or not they're "cured" since it's impossible to tell.. it should be based on whatever they were sentenced to or if they served their time well (for parole situations).
Though if the molester had gone to prison it's absolutely possible that he would've had a fate worse than death since child molesters and rapists are at the very bottom of any prison. They're in more danger from other inmates than any other kind of criminal or prison staff.

That's not a defense for criminal action.



Social commentary about what you really happens in prison doesn't change what prisons are still in use.


The most fawked up part of this is that child molestation only carries a prison penalty of up to 25 years. So why in the world are people okay with killing a guy just because said molestation happened in the father's home? OH yeah, it's Texas law. Barbaric and stupid.

You're going to need to be clearer. What isn't a defense for criminal action?
I also don't see what your point is.; I never insinuated that prisons aren't in use or even that they aren't useful.

Well, I suppose that clarifies the situation. Claiming it is a reasonable use of force certainly seems more believable if he actually called the ambulance like that before the guy died, and didn't just bash him to death in one go.
If he actually stopped beating him and the guy then later died of the wounds then I guess that's as reasonable as it gets.

I guess the dude must have died of brain hemorrhage. They rarely occur in fist fights but when they do, they're hard to detect even for the victim and next thing you know you're dead.
So, painting the picture so far, dad walks in room, sees pedo over daughter with his pants down, attacks him, the two engaged in fisticuffs, dad incapacitates him, calls the ambulance/police, pedo dies later of his wounds. Sounds like a pretty reasonable use of force to me.
Wait for it....Another victory for Liberty, Freedom, and the American Way!!!! <Eagle Screeeech!!!!1111>

Well, I suppose that clarifies the situation. Claiming it is a reasonable use of force certainly seems more believable if he actually called the ambulance like that before the guy died, and didn't just bash him to death in one go.
If he actually stopped beating him and the guy then later died of the wounds then I guess that's as reasonable as it gets.

That as in his enraged state.
Your quotes around cure and assertion that the whole theory of prison never worked certainly looks like an insinuation that prisons aren't useful. Maybe I'm not the one that needs to be clearer.

Blind rage isn't a criminal defense, and neither I nor InfiniteRyvius had said that it was.. the topics of our posts was revenge.
How does "prisons stopped being centers for rehabilitation" translate to them not being useful? It's a simple statement of fact. Regardless, rehabilitation is not what prisons are primarily for, anyway.

Pretty much this.

I said blind rage isn't a defense and now you're saying it. There's no disagreement so stop trying to make it seem like my point was addressing the revenge part.

What part of "Your quotes around cure and assertion that the whole theory of prison never worked" did you miss? Those bits do imply that you think prison is useless. So I don't need to dissect a line of your choosing when the parts that are relevant to my argument have been quote by me, twice now.

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