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I'd be pissed, and I'd beat his ass badly enough that he'd be laying in the hospital before prison, but I wouldn't do anything severe enough to actually risk killing him. He went too far and he deserves to be punished for it regardless if his intentions were in the right place or not. This is still murder and just because it's a criminal doesn't mean it's okay to take a life.

That's not to say that he should receive a harsh sentence and be locked up for years because of it, but you can't let this pass completely with absolutely no consequence. It's against the law. Law isn't arbitrary and defined by morals and maybes, it's defined by a specific set of criteria which this person clearly broke. That's life. It's something he will have to deal with. You don't get a free pass for taking another person's life unless it was in self-defense with actual threat posed to your own life or that of others. Sexual abuse, while very bad, isn't that.

I don't think he did the right thing but I if something like this ever happened to me, I'm sure I'd react like him.

With or without context, I still kinda think yes.

So just a little question of what everyone would do in case this happens:
You beat the guy and restrain him. He goes to jail and spends 10 years there. He goes out with revenge on mind. He finds your daughter with 14 years old and rapes her.
She stays so psychologically affected that she commits suicide. The guy goes to jail again and spends his entire life on prison but, the thing is, you´ll never get your daughter back.
The little girl you saw growing every day, that you fed, you played with, you changed her diapers and that you spent nights waking up to see if she was okay. You´ll never see her cry or smile again, the most precious person to you that had an entire life ahead her. Now if she had a car/bus accident or a heart attack you would be emotionally destroyed but you would be able to put guilty upon fate and cope better with the loss.

But you know it was the pedophile. The pedophile that if you had killed him, he wouldn't not have raped your daughter and she would not be dead. That is a possible scenario that could have happened if the father did not kill him.

Let me insist again that I DO NOT agree with murder/violence and no one has the right to take other´s life, but we all know that one primal instinct is violence (not saying that should justify our actions but its hard to control and not everyone is able to stay cool in a dangerous situation). Its inserted in your genes for survival. When we are under extreme circumstances, we cant really think well. Some call it "temporary madness".

So the dad wanted to punch the pedophile badly but he did not think he was going to actually die. That´s where the difference is, you know, he didnt have the intention to kill him, he acted by instinct to protect and defend it was not planned,he just wanted to beat the crap out of him and its SO hard to stop your primal instinct. Should this parent be charged for this? I still say, that he does not need to be charged because he told already it was not his intention and he his conscious about his actions and that psychological issue of you knowing that you killed someone is already enough punishment, because you´ll never get over it, its worst than any physical prison, its a prison of mind much more painful because you know you have your hands stained.
Im sorry, I deeply respect everyone´s opinions here, but Ill keep mine. I dont think the father should be charged, the man has already saw his daughter almost being raped and killed a man unintentionally. If I was a judge I would give him community work for some years and that´s all. Sending a dad like him to prison its unfair, he wont be able to see his daughter grow up and she will need him.

Go "daddy"!;)

I would do the same, so yes he is a hero...

So just a little question of what everyone would do in this scenario:
You beat the guy to death. You go to jail and spend several years there. Your daughter grows up without a father, and you sit in prison lamenting how you are missing your precious daughter's childhood. Also, as the main income to your household, your wife and child are now in financial difficulty, with the mother struggling to hold down a job and raise her child at the same time. You become depressed in prison, thinking about how if only you hadn't killed him, eventually you go back to your family, but your daughter hardly recognizes you as 4 years old is too young to remember a person's face, and the mother didn't want to take her to the prison visits. You're out of prison, but no one will hire you because you've got the crime of murder on your criminal record. Your at least there for your daughter, but you cannot do anything for her, as well as being an extra burden on the already stretched income.


You see, I can make up these scenario's too! And it's a fucking stupid argument. So many things could happen, your scenario is unlikely to happen, for one thing even if he left prison he'd still be monitored as a convicted pedophile, second not many people want to go straight back to prison after finally leaving. You can't kill someone because of something they might (but probably won't) do. For example, I can't kill a guy who looks shady and is walking in my direction because he might kill me. That's just not on.



First thing is that we don't know if the father was telling the truth. May just be me, but in that situation I'd lie and say I just punched him once or twice to restrain him even if I smashed his face in, and I'd phone the ambulance after too, as I would have calmed down from my rage and realized what I'd just done. Also, living with the guilt of killing someone is not enough punishment. After all, he might not actually be too concerned, since of course, anyone can lie.



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Moralfagging aside,
First thing that struck me, more so than the rape or killing, was the naivety on the pedophile's part to think he could actually get away with it in that setting. And as he was caught pants down in the act - evaluating the obvious, it becomes rather clear.

It would've been one thing if this was a one-time case, but people don't operate that way; The fact that he seemed confident in getting away with it would suggest that he's gotten away with it before.
Had he been alive and brought to justice, he could've been made to confess to more than we may ever know for certain now.

That said, I wouldn't hold the young father's actions of outrage against him more than I would the other man's self-deception in that scenario - it's just a pity given the potentials of this case.

It's funny that it has taken thousands of years worth of murdering and killing just so you can sit in your cozy home, get on your computer, and spout bullcrap like this.

Except as has been stated already, he apparently beat him up, called a ambulance and attempted to stabilise him, before the guy died of the injuries. So obviously he stopped punching before he killed him outright, thus making it seem pretty reasonable enough.It's not a question about being allowed to kill or not, but whether or not his legal right to using deadly force was reasonable or not.No. That's not how these laws work.

Like Synerite says, it's worthless to talk about murder as some sort of universally terrible crime. It's a action much like taking a dump; society dictates where and when it is appropriate to do it, and as with everything else, it's justifiable in a countless different ways and situations.

That's the point. Many here are saying he was technically allowed to kill him (law wise), as rape is a "violent" crime. I was arguing that it was the wrong attitude to take, and that you should look at whether it was a proportional response or not.

Yes?
I'm not talking about "these" laws, whatever they are. I'm speaking of in any event where one person kills someone, including one like this case, I believe that they should be charged for committing a crime. (Excluding those who are allowed to kill, like cops)
I'm aware of the different doctrines laws that would apply to this case but that doesn't change that I believe the man should have been charged with Voluntary Manslaughter.