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| This episode was just to set things up for the next episode. I can't wait to see how things fall together, but I kind of wished Houtarou solved a mystery this episode. Oh well, I suppose it was a descent episode |
| cool ep. love me a mystery learned somethign new. didnt know so many rules existed for detective mysteries. althouhg that one ep of sayonara zetsubou sensei introduced me to the "the killer must have been presented beforehand" rule lol |
KingCezJun 10, 2012 7:52 PM
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| Episode was plain. The voicing even if its an amateur filming just sucked hard. I couldn't stand listening to them screaming there voices louder than they should have when talking on film. The film IMO was a waste of 5-7 minutes. |
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| that amateur film made me laugh a bit. Everybody but the guy who got killed didnt seem very enthusiastic at all, they barely showed any emotion. How could you determine a culprit from that XD Animation was nice as usual and its nice to see character design variety :3 |
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| That was entertaining. I think the culprit is the black haired girl since she acts weird and is the only one other one who traveled alone. Bad supporting arguments, but oh well. |
| this episode was not as fulfilling as i thought. however, the exposition to the main plot pulled me in. the short film showed actually creeped me out, more than i thought it would. the progress in the mystery, however, went nowhere. i was very disappointed but the introduction of the new characters were very nice. over all for a hyouka episode, 4/5. |
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guava said: /a/ is having a good time trying to solve it. I guess MAL users are too busy bulking up their list to take the time.Nobody is going to try guessing the culprit? Judging by the map and where the characters went + his reactions just before the crime, I think it's Katsuta (the guy who opens the door/window of the crime scene). Yamanishi is also possible, though less suspicious (it might be humorous foreshadowing to make her the culprit, considering Oreki's response). I don't really understand the situation with the class detectives. Is Hongou so sick that she can't even say the name of the killer? Did she have to go a hospital out of town? Also, who was Irisu chatting to before Chitanda? Well, as long as the mystery is entertaining, I don't mind having these questions unanswered.~ In any case, it has been determined that Irisu was talking to Hongou at the beginning. Hongou is apologizing for not finishing the script and "being at the wrong place at the wrong time" implies that something happened to her, which would be the "illness", whether or not it actually is one. I couldn't say why they can't just ask her, though I do enjoy trying to solve the mystery myself(Of course, not without the help of a few /a/nons). |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
| And Yukana is on the stage! |
| the acting in the movie was so hilariously bad, but i'm actually interested in the story O.o i really wanna see how houtarou can use that amazing brain of his to devise some kind of crazy plot twist to end the movie and lol at eru's reactions while watching the movie |
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| The acting made me lol |
Kurogashi said: Eh, probably the weakest episode so far... The movie was a pain to watch. > so you didn't think the bad acting was funny? hm...I don't agree with you :P |
| What, a rare episode where we're not given a conclusion to the mystery and only one person is giving it a shot here? That's disappointing. Let's give this a go, people! Firstly, the setting: The map: As you can see, there are two floors to the building (which is a theater, by the way...). Access between floors are only available from the two flights of stairs in the front lobby, and the only way to travel between each side of the second floor is beside these stairs as well. From the map, there it appears that there is basically no restrictions to movement on the first floor. Note, however, that the double-doors into the audience seating area below the stage is boarded up, and in addition the corridor connecting the two backstage areas is blocked. The footage doesn't show it clearly, but it would appear that the entrance from the right backstage area onto the stage is similarly inaccessible. The group splittings: For simplicity's sake, I'll call them by their choice of path, so they are: Top-left-kun and top-left-chan Bottom-left-kun and bottom-left-chan Top-right-chan And bottom-right-kun (but in lieu of any subsequent victims I'll just call him victim-kun) Secondly, the logistics of the crime: 1.) Victim-kun was found on the first floor, in the room furthest down the right hallway (Backstage-right). His left arm has been cut from his body. 2.) No audible sound was made that alerted any of the others of the crime. 3.) The room was locked after the crime occurred. The key remains in the room. I bolded that last one because it was an interesting shot at making it into a closed-room murder. Recall that the two alternate entrances to the crime scene (not the door) are blocked. The key remains inside but the door is locked, so you have a perfect closed room... not. The window here is the obvious exit- the footage shows it's unlocked when the guy opens it, so this is the most likely solution. The other possibility is that culprit did a short sprint to the key-room to filch the master keys, locked the door then put them back afterwards, but that's highly roundabout, and I think Occam's Razor would apply here. Going from the map, the culprit must be capable of accessing the backstage-right room from the outside. That means they need to go through a window (or else the front door, but again, that seems unlikely). We can pretty much eliminate the second-floor groups (That's left-top-kun&chan, and right-top-chan) on the basis that they couldn't get back to their original positions from the outside after committing the crime, barring some strange climbing trick. That leaves, of course, bottom-left-kun and bottom-left-chan. My train of thought ends there- I'll come back to it later to see if I made any mistakes and to hopefully draw some conclusions. I'll take a look at /a/ and see how far they've gone, too. |
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| Someone on /a/ suggested that Sugimura(Or top-left-kun, as you called him) would be the killer, seeing as he was in the best position to get to Kaitou(Victim). If anybody else had tried, they would have had to go through the lobby which is in plain sight of Sugimura. Since Sugimura knew where the master key was, he only had to go down to the office, swipe the keys, catch up to Kaitou and kill him. After that, he locks the door with the master key, returns it to its original position and goes back into his room to wait for the others come out in order to abate any suspicions. However, this doesn't explain how he cut off his hand and killed him. |
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| Yeah, I saw that post too. I've mostly disregarded the master keys lock method as being roundabout, but now I feel extremely retarded. I think they're right that the footage of the grass is meant to show that it's not been stepped in, too. I really want to chalk it up to the film club being generally incompetent at what they do, but the length of the shot would suggest otherwise, ruling out the window through evidence that no one passed through it rather than a physical barrier. That would, indeed, make Sugimura the most suspicious. |
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| Nice new character. Episode was good, it was kinda funny that the movie was bad :P |
| After finishing the episode, I rewatched the movie in the episode to try to find out the murderer (for the fun and the lulz) My guess is that it is Sugimura (the guy with glasses). What led me to believe that it is him is that: 1. He went in the room containing the keys with the girl and knew that there was a master key, so he could have taken the master key without that other girl that was in the room knowing it after leaving to join the group. 2. Sugimura was the last one to meet up after checking the rooms. Could have been because he was cleaning any leftover blood on him in the room that he was. 3. The most suspicious act that happened in the movie: when they opened the room where the murder had happened, Sugimura "fell/tripped" on the ground where the blood was. It was probably done on purpose because he could have had leftover blood on his hands and wanted to hide it by "tripping" on the blood. Just my theory ;P. |
Unyuu said: We went over the other points but that one is interesting, I hadn't thought of that. Though in the time it would take to go back to his room, wait, and then back to the scene of the crime, the blood on his hands that he couldn't have gotten off would most likely be obviously dry.3. The most suspicious act that happened in the movie: when they opened the room where the murder had happened, Sugimura "fell/tripped" on the ground where the blood was. It was probably done on purpose because he could have had leftover blood on his hands and wanted to hide it by "tripping" on the blood. |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
Velocitas014 said: I'm honestly surprised at how "realistic" the camerawork for the amateur film was. The shaky camera and constantly moving perspective must have taken quite a bit of work. Nothing really screamed CG either, except maybe the cut showing the floor plans. Mad props to KyoAni as usual. It wasn't that great IMO. You can tell they tried something new. Doing these 3D-area effects are hard though so I can't really complain. Can't wait to see how much they improve in the future. |
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| The two more suspicious are the one's who took the keys. while the guy with glasses seems suspicious. isnt the way the tall guy ( katsuta) opened the door weird? i clearly see him flipping the key to one side and then to other |
VanisherJun 11, 2012 1:48 AM
guava said: I can't say for sure who Irisu is talking to on the school chat(apart from Chitanda), but seeing as Irisu is calling them senpai it means they're a third year, and I don't believe we've had a third year introduced to us yet. Apart maybe from that guy who smoked in his clubroom, but I doubt he'd called himself a~ta~shi~ with a little music note, but that's just me.I don't mean the text msgs (which I also decided were Hongou + Irisu), but the chat room before Chitanda logs in. Irisu seems to be asking for help from somebody who can't give any help but suggests something about senpais and dancing. A cryptic conversation. On Sugimura: he's the one leading everyone to the "research spot" so looked suspicious from the beginning. But I don't think his knowing about the master key, his appearing last, or his tripping were particularly incriminating. If anything, Kounosu is the most suspicious around the time of the crime (how does she know so much about this place? why was she the one to suggest it?). It's still impossible to say at this point. We can't even guess at a motive or method yet. (In the end, I like my Katsuta theory.) But really: why cut off a hand? The fact that the key was still there might also be important. There are 3 rooms upstairs and 5 downstairs. 3 people went to the 3 rooms upstairs, but only 3 people were downstairs for those 5 rooms. Kaitou went alone with 1 key to a hallway with 3 locks. Yet when the group was searching for Kaitou, 2 of the doors were open, and 1 locked (presumably the one for the key he had). Very strange. The master key must be involved, or perhaps some keys open multiple locks (Kaitou's key opens both waiting rooms on the right, Yamanishi's both on the left, Katsuta's the back; &c). Also, a conjecture on what went down which I think makes some sense was posted here: http://boards.4chan.org/a/res/66983937#p66997328 |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
| acting and plot in that horrible movie were better than in series XD just to say who killed... strongest suspicions are on that guy with yellow shirt (the one who opened the window): - he was opening the doors, or rather could pretend they are locked - bonus for him would be showing that master key was in the same place where it was on the beginning - than opening the window, it may be shock but also showing that this was only way someone would be able to come into the room - yet since grass outside has no traces of movement it --> killer went in and out in same way (doors) - than he goes to gap between room and wall (if I read it well from the plan) - but again it would be impossible as it would make so much dirt question is: why did he cut off that hand and that glass on the floor is a bit weird Still lack of motif is a bit weak side of this story - and I hope they won't go "Ten Little Niggers" on this (and preview suggest this) plus: "Why didn't she ask EBA?" ? - quite nice :D unless it refers to the book than it's simply weird |
| Fun episode, the Cluedo like stuff suits Mysteries |
| Even though it was an amateur movie, that was craptasticaly bad. The actors were like forced doing it. |
| So,who do you think killed that guy.Personally,my guess is either that quiet girl or that glasses guy.Personally,I think it was that quiet girl since she knew the most about the house/ |
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ckberserker said: I think the culprit is the quiet girl with purple shirt: Yuri. the reasons is: 1. she knows the building too well. She finds the map and she knows where the keys are. 2. she distributes the keys, so she can determine who is going where. 3. she is going to the room right above where the victim was killed. 4. she is alone on the second floor. what I think it happened: like we can see on the map, on the right side of the second floor there is a window just like the room where the victim was killed. she opened the window of the second floor and tied a rope on the window. then she went to the room where the victim was and killed him. with the key of the victim, she locked the door, took the rope outside the window (so no footprint outside the grass), climbed up and closed the window from the outside and voila. one close room killing mystery. It has sense still there are few things: - they were taking keys on their own - so no way of determining which room that guy will take, it may be that anyone who is in THAT room should die, but this is fail here as we know nothing of reason of death - we don't know, or at least it's not shown if room above has window in that place (we may assume so) - there are two other people on the second floor so they may have heard something or see if they open the window - I like idea of using rope but window was a stuck - so closing it from outside may be difficult (not impossible thou) and still there is matter of cut hand, this bothers me a bit - it needs some strength to do plus why it was so far from the body (I will drop this series if it will turn out to be an accident) Plus that preview... if it will turn up really to be like this - than it will be simply LAME (meaning Glasses-kun and quiet girl are left) So for now i will stick up with my "Yellow guy" theory, while one above makes perfect sense. |
Dalek-bakaJun 11, 2012 6:33 AM
| Next epi will be good, you can tell that much. Who do you think was it? I' m curious! |
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| I'm amazed that no one mentioned Umineko in this thread till now. If Katsua Takeo (the yellow guy) isn't the detective according to Knox's rules, then he was the murderer. This is way to easy. The door wasn't locked at all. His movement when he openend the door, he locked and unlocked the door again. (First counterclockwise, then yellow clockwise). |
shairn said: Well I narrowed down the suspect to either very muscular or very fast or both to have done that. The killings looked like BRUTAL or just plain intelligent in the order and choices undertaken by the murderer.Someone on /a/ suggested that Sugimura(Or top-left-kun, as you called him) would be the killer, seeing as he was in the best position to get to Kaitou(Victim). If anybody else had tried, they would have had to go through the lobby which is in plain sight of Sugimura. Unyuu said: I would agree with it however I have YET to formulated my own. Based on my thoughts he would go into the fast/intelligent types of killers if it's him. That would match some of the MOs (Murdered Objects) of the crime.After finishing the episode, I rewatched the movie in the episode to try to find out the murderer (for the fun and the lulz) My guess is that it is Sugimura (the guy with glasses). What led me to believe that it is him is that. xizor said: Death Note reference, RIGHT? But for Eru it would be more irony showed. Eru's online handle is "L". :D |
Yumekichi11Jun 11, 2012 7:03 AM
Somehow i think that Chitanda didn't know what the f*ck they were talking about xD Yeah, the movie was bad but they're students. Come on! xD I still like Hyouka thought its mysteries aren't difficult and blah, blah. I love watching Oreki and Satoshi, haha. |
bakuramariks said: Somehow i think that Chitanda didn't know what the f*ck they were talking about xD one frame later... she knows, oh she knows XD but why people are so fixed on Glasses-kun as killer? I hope it's not because of that slip into the blood, he could use other ways to cover traces (wash them? after long trip no one would found it weird). He had enough time to do it and wouldn't even have to run - after all killing this way would also take some. |
| I believe the killer is Kounouso Yuri Clues: 1- She already know keys position (i'm not sure if office is in the map, since i can't read Japanese) 2-She suggest to leave the master key 3-She is the second, after the victim, to take her key 4-She go upstairs alone |
| Was I the only one expecting a little romance between Irisu-senpai and Oreki? :D could be nice, with a Sadistic/Princess girl, after all that eyeing and similar composure to Oreki lol |
| In my personal opinion, it was just okay. Probably one of the weakest of the Hyouka episodes thus far. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing. It seemed as though they were primarily setting up the next storyline in this series and considering the scope of the mystery, it seems it'll take some time to build up. Not a great episode, but not bad either. I think my favorite scene was when Oreki went outside, the crickets were chirping and he was sweating, walked back in and said "not happening" when Eru rings his doorbell. I got a pretty good chuckle out of that. |
Wegenbarth said: I'm amazed that no one mentioned Umineko in this thread till now. If Katsua Takeo (the yellow guy) isn't the detective according to Knox's rules, then he was the murderer. This is way to easy. The door wasn't locked at all. His movement when he openend the door, he locked and unlocked the door again. (First counterclockwise, then yellow clockwise). This makes sense. Re-watched the episode to confirm it. And maybe he faked his own death in the preview? His face was so derpy lol. |
darkerealm said: This makes sense. Re-watched the episode to confirm it. And maybe he faked his own death in the preview? His face was so derpy lol. It may seem that this is some kind of "imaginary film" because as far as that girl said they only filmed that part that we saw and killer faking his own death... it was done before but here I don't know if it would fit |
| Nice! I really like the everyday feeling to the mysteries. Cant wait to see Oreki shoot down the three amateur detectives! |
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| ITS A TRAP, Poor Oreiki alway having to do something because of Chitanda and her Puppy Dog Eyes |
| Irisu is so far the best girl in the show. Those blue eyes.. <3 Why didn't she ask EBA? I'm guessing this refers to Hongo asking Irisu for help instead of Eba. |
| That Konishi voice. Everything that comes out of his mouth sounds good. |
InfiniteDestiny said: Lol at Oreki's reaction to going to school on a hot day "not happening" only to end up going anyway after Eru went to get him :P I laughed at that scene too, Oreki is probably my favorite character in this show. As for the episode itself, well the movie they watched was poorly acted but I'm interested in who the culprit is. As always I'll be looking forward to next week's episode. |
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| The acting in the film was hilarious--ly bad. I really don't have a clue who the culprit should be though. I love how Hotarou wanted to step out into the sun, felt the heat and was like "nope". I'm looking forward to Hotarou solving this so called mystery. Always fun to see him dissect it piece by piece. |
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| That ending was hilarious lol. Houtarou stepping outside, feeling the heat he immediately goes back inside and say hell no. But of course haha Chitanda appears moments later to drag him off. This just never gets old, Chitanda always there with her irresistible eyes. And the other two know its over for Houtarou the moment she goes Watashi Kininarimasu. Dno why they can't just ask Hongou who the culprit is... But I guess this does make it much more interesting. Love the acting in this movie lols. |
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