Who else would love a Ufotable adaption of Fate/SN? (Spoilers)

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

HD remake of the original? Hardly they are completely different after a certain point.

And the original one after the other comment was referring to doing the them separately as adaptions, rather than all three routes in one series(like as that guy mentioned Kanon where all the routes were in one show).

What i'm saying by back to back is quite different from that. The reason just having Deen wouldn't be fine is that their other 2 adaptions were bad adaptions. The fans don't just want want adaptions of all three routes but good adaptions of all three routes, and ufotable has proven themselves to type-moon fans with their KnK and F/Z adaptions.

Jun 10, 2012 3:19 PM

#43

logopolis

Offline

Apr 2012

2882

jpem said:
There once was a director who had the balls to air the same episode 8 weeks in a row with different swim suits.

That was different, it was a worthwhile experiment with a good reason behind it. (Even if the experiment failed; experiments do that sometimes. If you never risk failure, you'll never achieve success.)

Jun 10, 2012 3:28 PM

#44

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

logopolis said:

jpem said:
There once was a director who had the balls to air the same episode 8 weeks in a row with different swim suits.

That was different, it was a worthwhile experiment with a good reason behind it. (Even if the experiment failed; experiments do that sometimes. If you never risk failure, you'll never achieve success.)

The bad thing is that the ones that should read this thread(ufotable of course) arent here.

Jun 10, 2012 3:31 PM

#45

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

logopolis said:

jpem said:
There once was a director who had the balls to air the same episode 8 weeks in a row with different swim suits.

That was different, it was a worthwhile experiment with a good reason behind it. (Even if the experiment failed; experiments do that sometimes. If you never risk failure, you'll never achieve success.)

It failed because of how extreme it is. Having a few repeat episodes at the start of each adaption, that even if they are aired one after another will leave months in between watching those repeated episodes, is significantly less extreme so shouldn't fail any where near as hard. If the rest of the show was good it would certainly be able to carry those few episodes.

Jun 10, 2012 3:45 PM

#46

logopolis

Offline

Apr 2012

2882

jpem said:
It failed because of how extreme it is. Having a few repeat episodes at the start of each adaption, that even if they are aired one after another will leave months in between watching those repeated episodes, is significantly less extreme so shouldn't fail any where near as hard. If the rest of the show was good it would certainly be able to carry those few episodes.

What? It failed because the people watching it didn't want to go too far away from the base standard of entertainment, it turns out that really sharing in the frustrations of Yuki and experiencing a bit of what she experiences is the story is a bit too... frustrating for televisual entertainment. It was all about not knowing what the audience really wants.

An adaption which keeps going over more or less the same material isn't trying to do anything. It's just running up against a weakness of necessity. If Ufotable were to do something which doesn't have any weaknesses of necessity, they should be able to produce better work. Wanting them to put their talents into an adaption with an inherent problem is just fannishness.

Jun 10, 2012 3:53 PM

#47

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

Exactly. 8 episodes in a row is extreme and not enjoyable. It made up most of the show. You guys make it seem like the stuff that will get redone in all three adaptions does the same, which it just doesn't. They separate into new arcs pretty early on and are completely different from there on out. There isn't a problem unless you let there be.

iirc, the routes branch off at around day 3. 3 of 16. And the later days contain more events, so it isn't that much of the story that needs to be redone in each show. Something that can surely be done be done within a few episodes. You would have to have little to no patience to not be able to deal with a few of episodes.

Jun 10, 2012 3:55 PM

#48

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Then,if we are talking ufotable re adapting Fate and UBW ,then let them make prologue and Fate together and for the UBW and HF start the story from Archer vs Lancer.

You would say that it's retarded to do that since newcomers wouldnt understand it.But some were stupid enough to start watching FZ 2nd season before the first...-_-

I mean UBW and HF are called the second and third routes for a reason.They arent sequels for sure but with a little bit of logic you chose to see the first route.Then again I speak for myself...

Jun 10, 2012 4:05 PM

#49

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

ssjokg said:
Then,if we are talking ufotable re adapting Fate and UBW ,then let them make prologue and Fate together and for the UBW and HF start the story from Archer vs Lancer.

You would say that it's retarded to do that since newcomers wouldnt understand it.But some were stupid enough to start watching FZ 2nd season before the first...-_-

I mean UBW and HF are called the second and third routes for a reason.They arent sequels for sure but with a little bit of logic you chose to see the first route.Then again I speak for myself...

That could be fine too imo. Sure a little bit of an inconvenience, but hardly so much that the show doesn't deserve to get a quality adaption as a result.

Jun 10, 2012 4:32 PM

#50

Offline

Jan 2011

219

ssjokg said:
Then,if we are talking ufotable re adapting Fate and UBW ,then let them make prologue and Fate together and for the UBW and HF start the story from Archer vs Lancer.

You would say that it's retarded to do that since newcomers wouldnt understand it.But some were stupid enough to start watching FZ 2nd season before the first...-_-

I mean UBW and HF are called the second and third routes for a reason.They arent sequels for sure but with a little bit of logic you chose to see the first route.Then again I speak for myself...

The problem is that the routes do not start really differenciating until the first appearence of Berserker, while at the same time having a number of subtle but important changes up until then. That is a bit too far in.

And even in the rest of the route... once you've seen Fate, you've seen 75% of the overall plot. You know the identities of half the masters and the servants, the antagonists etc... the 3 routes are not THAT different to each other...

Making it into 3 separate series would only work with at least a couple years in between. Because excecuting a 3x24 or so episode project would be impossible within a short period of time, unless you want Bleach-like quality. Or unless you want 12-episode per route, which would be even worse and would't help much in the quality department anyway. And even if you could excecute it close to each other with perfect quality, it just needs to be spaced out - Fateverse has already had so many adaptations, and adaptin all 3 routes close to each other would not really help sparking the public's interest to watch everything...
And, yeah, it would be too unnecessarily big a project anyway...

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 4:35 PM

Jun 10, 2012 4:34 PM

#51

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

Pan151 said:

ssjokg said:
Then,if we are talking ufotable re adapting Fate and UBW ,then let them make prologue and Fate together and for the UBW and HF start the story from Archer vs Lancer.

You would say that it's retarded to do that since newcomers wouldnt understand it.But some were stupid enough to start watching FZ 2nd season before the first...-_-

I mean UBW and HF are called the second and third routes for a reason.They arent sequels for sure but with a little bit of logic you chose to see the first route.Then again I speak for myself...

The problem is that the routes do not start really differenciating until the first appearence of Berserker, while at the same time having a number of subtle but important changes up until then. That is a bit too far in.

Making it into 3 separate series would only work with at least a couple years in between. Because excecuting a 3x24 or so episode project would be impossible within a short period of time, unless you want Bleach-like quality. Or unless you want 12-episode per route, which would be even worse and would't help much in the quality department anyway. And even if you could excecute it close to each other with perfect quality, it just needs to be spaced out - Fateverse has already had so many adaptations, and adaptin all 3 routes close to each other would not really help sparking the public's interest to watch everything...
And, yeah, it would be too unnecessarily big a project anyway...

And why can't it have a couple years in between?

Jun 10, 2012 4:43 PM

#52

Offline

Jan 2011

219

jpem said:

And why can't it have a couple years in between?

Well, it sure can, but I don't really think that this is a model any animation studio would really like. "Hey guys, we have this nice project about animating all of the F/sn routes. We have purchased the rights, will start soon and plan to finish the whole thing in about 6 years. Yes, I know the 1st route has already been adapted intro a series. Yes I know that the 2nd one has already been adapted into a movie. Yes, I know that the only thing the audience hasn't already seen, and quite recently at that, is the 3rd route, which we won't even start animating for the next 4 or so years. Yes, I know that the 3-series investment is a bit too much for producing essencially one series that is actually new. And yes, I know that by the time we finish it half of you won't even be here anymore, so you don't really care anyway... But we'll do it anyway"

I don't know about you, but to me it doesn't really sound like a terribly good idea from a bussiness viewpoint... it would if the f/sn adaptations were done a few years further back, so that there was an actual reason to re-make them (ie they were done in 480p, we are re-doing them in 1080p, hurr-durr) buuut... no. There is no real reason for them to be redone. Yeah, I know, the adaptation was not exactly stellar, and yeah, the animation was somewhat dodgy at places, but come on, for as much hate as DEEN recieves for its adaptations, they are not that bad... I would even say I find them perfectly fine - sure they are not nearly as good as Ufotable's but there is a crucial point: DEEN was adapting a make-your-story Visual Novel the size of LotR. Ufotable were adapting a 100% linear light novel that can be read in half a day...

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 4:52 PM

Jun 10, 2012 4:51 PM

#53

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

Sure if you spin it that way it sounds bad, but you forget to add that the first show and movie were terrible. And that Ufotable would probably give us worthy adaptions with quality animation and a good chance of Yuki Kajiura working on the ost. And you can barely call UBW an adaption, it was essentially a recap movie but there is no full series to go with it.

It really just comes down to patience. Which i and many other certainly have. 6 years isn't that long to wait to see them all done.

Jun 10, 2012 4:51 PM

#54

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Actually waiting 5 or 6 years wouldnt be a problem for me as long as a studio like ufotable did the job and since I dont know any other studio like that(and since they are like Typemoon experts in animation),if they did a good job in re adapting Fate then honestly I wouldnt mind the wait.And I believe that you feel the same.

Come on we have been dreaming for a Fate remake for 6 years and even more for Tsukihime.

I didnt believe that FZ would get an adaption but it did and the result is pretty good.

And dont forget that even an ufotable adaption of HF is a dream for us.The same goes for re adapting Fate and UBW.Studio willingness aside, we were talking about how fans would feel of the remake.

If we are to talk about how good the idea would be from a studio's point of view then we,pretty much ,should stop dreaming....

Jun 10, 2012 4:57 PM

#55

Offline

Jan 2011

219

jpem said:
Sure if you spin it that way it sounds bad, but you forget to add that the first show and movie were terrible. And that Ufotable would probably give us worthy adaptions with quality animation and a good chance of Yuki Kajiura working on the ost. And you can barely call UBW an adaption, it was essentially a recap movie but there is no full series to go with it.

It really just comes down to patience. Which i and many other certainly have. 6 years isn't that long to wait to see them all done.

Come on, they were not terrible... Blood C was terrible. Shingetsutan Tsukihime was terrible. F/sn could just have been better and, lets be honest - even the VN wasn't all that better in the first place...

I am not against it by any means (WHY would I be anyway) but it's not a matter of fan patience - it just makes no sense from a studio point of view. Why would they re-animate something that has already been done when there are new things to adapt? Even staying in Fate, why do F/sn again when there is Hollow Ataraxia?

And speaking of new things to adapt: I'm still waiting for that Umineko Chiru adaptation. I don't care if it's DEEN again, just someone make it happen already :(

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 5:05 PM

Jun 10, 2012 5:05 PM

#56

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

I agree that the VN wasn't as significantly better as a lot of people claim. But UBW....it is entertaining after having read the VN. But when i watched it before hand it was absolute crap. They cut out so much, especially with Shirou's characterization as mentioned earlier. Same thing with the TV show. All you get is the Shirou that comes off as your generic moralfag. Never any of his inner thoughts, which is where most of his depth as a character come from. iirc they never did his dreams either, which forshadow his powers and prevent him from just pulling shit out of his ass in the most contrived manor. Not to mention when they tried to merge the routes a little bit in the later segments. And those are only a few points of many.

Somewhat entertaining as an anime, but not very good adaptions.

And they can't possibly do F/HA as from just looking at some game CG's it makes it pretty clear that you need knowledge of Heavens Feel.

removed-userJun 10, 2012 5:10 PM

Jun 10, 2012 5:06 PM

#57

Offline

Jun 2009

511

Pan151 said:
Yeah, I know, the adaptation was not exactly stellar, and yeah, the animation was somewhat dodgy at places, but come on, for as much hate as DEEN recieves for its adaptations, they are not that bad... I would even say I find them perfectly fine - sure they are not nearly as good as Ufotable's but there is a crucial point: DEEN was adapting a make-your-story Visual Novel the size of LotR. Ufotable were adapting a 100% linear light novel that can be read in half a day...

It's nice to see someone finally be reasonable with the DEEN adaptations.
And yeah, the adaptations were not terrible. Decent is what I would peg them. In all honestly they did their job. They got people interested in the visual novel. Hell, they got me reading visual novels. So they aren't really deserving of so much hate. They deserve some hate...but not this much.

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 10, 2012 5:13 PM

#58

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

It can also do the opposite. After watching the show i had absolutely no interest in the VN as i found the series completely overrated. Only read it as a friend on MAL got me interested in it.

Jun 10, 2012 5:14 PM

#59

Offline

Jan 2011

219

jpem said:
I agree that the VN wasn't as significantly better as a lot of people claim. But UBW....it is entertaining after having read the VN. But when i watched it before hand it was absolute crap. They cut out so much, especially with Shirou's characterization as mentioned earlier. Same thing with the TV show. All you get is the Shirou that comes off as your generic moralfag. Never any of his inner thoughts, which is where most of his depth as a character come from. iirc they never did his dreams either, which forshadow his powers and prevent him from just pulling shit out of his ass in the most contrived manor. Not to mention when they tried to merge the routes a little bit in the later segments. And those are only a few points of many.

Somewhat entertaining as an anime, but not very good adaptions.

You gotta admit however that the way they adapted UBW was 100% true to the way the VN reader experiences it, at least at the beginning:

Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Talk to Sakura
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Go to work
Skip Next Scene? >Yes

:D

jpem said:
And they can't possibly do F/HA as from just looking at some game CG's it makes it pretty clear that you need knowledge of Heavans Feel.

Why not? Nothing prevents from using a couple flashbacks here and there if truly necessary...

Jun 10, 2012 5:19 PM

#60

Offline

Jun 2009

511

jpem said:
I agree that the VN wasn't as significantly better as a lot of people claim. But UBW....it is entertaining after having read the VN. But when i watched it before hand it was absolute crap. They cut out so much, especially with Shirou's characterization as mentioned earlier. Same thing with the TV show. All you get is the Shirou that comes off as your generic moralfag. Never any of his inner thoughts, which is where most of his depth as a character come from. iirc they never did his dreams either, which forshadow his powers and prevent him from just pulling shit out of his ass in the most contrived manor. Not to mention when they tried to merge the routes a little bit in the later segments. And those are only a few points of many.

I said this before but monologues(While ok in novel format) can become tedious in anime. As for the mixing of the routes, it's understandable why they did that. Same with showing Beserker and archers fight. The routes are not meant to be seen separately. But no matter what only one was going to be adapted. If DEEN followed Fate to a T then you would have people complaining that Assassin and Caster were just pointless cannon fodder. And Archer would be regarded as that guy who boasted like hell and died in a off screen fight. Also can you really blame the animation studio for Shiro's character not coming out in his dialogue? If anything that's the authors fault.

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 10, 2012 5:20 PM

#61

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

Pan151 said:

Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Cook with Sakura
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Talk to Sakura
>Cook with Sakura
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Go to work
>Cook for Saber
Skip Next Scene? >Yes

:D

jpem said:
And they can't possibly do F/HA as from just looking at some game CG's it makes it pretty clear that you need knowledge of Heavans Feel.

Why not? Nothing prevents from using a couple flashbacks here and there if truly necessary...

Fix'd

And sure they could do that but wouldn't it be rather half assed to do it that way? From what i understand it is essentially a fandisc, might as well at least do the final main route in a Heavens Feel adaption first even if they don't bother to remake the others.

Jun 10, 2012 5:23 PM

#62

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

AidanAK47 said:

jpem said:
I agree that the VN wasn't as significantly better as a lot of people claim. But UBW....it is entertaining after having read the VN. But when i watched it before hand it was absolute crap. They cut out so much, especially with Shirou's characterization as mentioned earlier. Same thing with the TV show. All you get is the Shirou that comes off as your generic moralfag. Never any of his inner thoughts, which is where most of his depth as a character come from. iirc they never did his dreams either, which forshadow his powers and prevent him from just pulling shit out of his ass in the most contrived manor. Not to mention when they tried to merge the routes a little bit in the later segments. And those are only a few points of many.

I said this before but monologues(While ok in novel format) can become tedious in anime. As for the mixing of the routes, it's understandable why they did that. Same with showing Beserker and archers fight. The routes are not meant to be seen separately. But no matter what only one was going to be adapted. If DEEN followed Fate to a T then you would have people complaining that Assassin and Caster were just pointless cannon fodder. And Archer would be regarded as that guy who boasted like hell and died in a off screen fight. Also can you really blame the animation studio for Shiro's character not coming out in his dialogue? If anything that's the authors fault.

Yeah they get could get tedious if they kept repeating themselves like in the VN. I agree there. One of my biggest annoyances with that was that they would say things over and over again. I'm sure they could figure out a way to convey the same things the monologues conveyed without beating around the bush so much. I don't mind liberties being taken with stuff as long as they are for the better, they just happened to be for the worse more often than not with the show.

Jun 10, 2012 5:23 PM

#63

Offline

Jan 2011

219

jpem said:

And sure they could do that but wouldn't it be rather half assed to do it that way? From what i understand it is essentially a fandisc, might as well at least do the final main route in a Heavens Feel adaption first even if they don't bother to remake the others.

Well, F/Z also requires knowledge of HF to trully appreciate it and I don't see anyone complaining about that...

And anyway, it's a sequel. Sequels are not supposed to stand by themselves. When you make a sequel, the first thing you have ton say to your fans is "Take things from the start: here's the prequel... done with it? Ok, lets get started then"

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 5:28 PM

Jun 10, 2012 5:23 PM

#64

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Surely I have to thank Deen for making me read both FSN and Umineko.But after seeing both of them I would prefer it if someone like Ufotable had done the job.And as far as I know Deen made a bad name for itself from FSN and Umineko adaptions.Higurashi and the rest I have seen were pretty good compared to Umineko and FSN.
And if FSN was a bad adaption Umineko was even worse.If Shirou looked stupid with his ideals(yeah he was like that in the VN but the anime multiplied it)then Battler was the ultimate retard.In the entire show you were watching a guy trying to prove that the witch in front of him wasnt real.
Beato:1+1=2 .
Battler:Igiari bitch!!
.Never trying to explain how the meta-world works along with other stuff ruined the anime.

So I dont want a chiru anime from deen

Pan151 said:

You gotta admit however that the way they adapted UBW was 100% true to the way the VN reader experiences it, at least at the beginning:

Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Talk to Sakura
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
Skip Next Scene? >Yes
>Go to work
Skip Next Scene? >Yes

:D

That was a good one XD

Jun 10, 2012 5:28 PM

#65

Offline

Jul 2018

564612

Pan151 said:

jpem said:

And sure they could do that but wouldn't it be rather half assed to do it that way? From what i understand it is essentially a fandisc, might as well at least do the final main route in a Heavens Feel adaption first even if they don't bother to remake the others.

Well, F/Z also requires knowledge of HF to trully appreciate it and I don't see anyone complaining about that...

But it does plenty to be interesting for people without that, and is a prequel for the the series as a whole, rather than a sequel. And it has a concrete position in the universe for all 3 routes, whereas F/HA doesn't.

Jun 10, 2012 5:29 PM

#66

Offline

Jun 2009

511

ssjokg said:
Surely I have to thank Deen for making me read both FSN and Umineko.But after seeing both of them I would prefer it if someone like Ufotable had done the job.And as far as I know Deen made a bad name for itself from FSN and Umineko adaptions.Higurashi and the rest I have seen were pretty good compared to Umineko and FSN.
And if FSN was a bad adaption Umineko was even worse.If Shirou looked stupid with his ideals(yeah he was like that in the VN but the anime multiplied it)then Battler was the ultimate retard.In the entire show you were watching a guy trying to prove that the witch in front of him wasnt real.
Beato:1+1=2 .
Battler:Igiari bitch!!
.Never trying to explain how the meta-world works along with other stuff ruined the anime.

So I dont want a chiru anime from deen

If you read the Visual novel you should understand that an Umineko adaptation was impossible from the get go. I say at least they tried but I am pretty sure that neither Madhouse or bones or UFOtable could pull off Umineko.
I mean just imagine the budget needed for the last arc of Chiru alone...

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 10, 2012 5:35 PM

#67

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

AidanAK47 said:

If you read the Visual novel you should understand that an Umineko adaptation was impossible from the get go. I say at least they tried but I am pretty sure that neither Madhouse or bones or UFOtable could pull off Umineko.
I mean just imagine the budget needed for the last arc of Chiru alone...

Yeah I know, but:
I havent read Higurashi but if they could do a decent adaption of it then they chould have tried a bit harder with Umineko.Or make one season for ep 1-2 and another for 3-4.And if that worked then move on to Chiru.

With uminko's bd/dvd sales I doubt we will ever see chiru anyway so no worries there...

Jun 10, 2012 5:40 PM

#68

Offline

Jun 2009

511

ssjokg said:

AidanAK47 said:

If you read the Visual novel you should understand that an Umineko adaptation was impossible from the get go. I say at least they tried but I am pretty sure that neither Madhouse or bones or UFOtable could pull off Umineko.
I mean just imagine the budget needed for the last arc of Chiru alone...

Yeah I know, but:
I havent read Higurashi but if they could do a decent adaption of it then they chould have tried a bit harder with Umineko.Or make one season for ep 1-2 and another for 3-4.And if that worked then move on to Chiru.

With uminko's bd/dvd sales I doubt we will ever see chiru anyway so no worries there...

Come on mate, don't be unreasonable. Two arcs into a 24 episode anime? Then you got pacing issues. There is no winning scenario. Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 10, 2012 5:44 PM

#69

Offline

Jan 2011

219

AidanAK47 said:

If you read the Visual novel you should understand that an Umineko adaptation was impossible from the get go. I say at least they tried but I am pretty sure that neither Madhouse or bones or UFOtable could pull off Umineko.

Yeah, pretty much. I haven't read the first 4 episodes, but if they are anywhere near as complex as the last 4... man, I'm glad they even tried to... The whole thing is littered with countless obscure hints, and there was no way to include all the ones that were necessary for solving the mystery, because the answer arcs had not even been finished at that time. Even if they got Ryukishi himself to write the script, they'd have to make like 60 episodes to fit everything in, and then you'd forget the clues by the time you could make any use of them...

The one thing they could and should have made better though is make it more obvious what the game between Beato and Battler was. Which you just couldn't get without some extensive forum search...

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 5:49 PM

Jun 10, 2012 5:47 PM

#70

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

AidanAK47 said:

ssjokg said:

AidanAK47 said:

If you read the Visual novel you should understand that an Umineko adaptation was impossible from the get go. I say at least they tried but I am pretty sure that neither Madhouse or bones or UFOtable could pull off Umineko.
I mean just imagine the budget needed for the last arc of Chiru alone...

Yeah I know, but:
I havent read Higurashi but if they could do a decent adaption of it then they chould have tried a bit harder with Umineko.Or make one season for ep 1-2 and another for 3-4.And if that worked then move on to Chiru.

With uminko's bd/dvd sales I doubt we will ever see chiru anyway so no worries there...

Come on mate, don't be unreasonable. Two arcs into a 24 episode anime? Then you got pacing issues. There is no winning scenario. Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

It's the fanboy inside me that talks.If I sit down and think about it then maybe I can let it slide.And I am not a director anyway .I am talking only about how I would prefer it.

Jun 10, 2012 5:53 PM

#71

Offline

Jan 2011

219

AidanAK47 said:
Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

Well, not really, they are anything BUT different. They actually have quite a bit in common, being both essentially mysteries, and even happening in the same universe (multiverse, to be exact) But their focus was different.

Umineko was all about heavy mystery and riddles. Higurashi was much more about atmosphere and less about the actual mystery. One translates much better on text and the other much better on film. Apparently they tried to focus on atmosphere in Umineko as well... and it didn't work nearly as well as in Higurashi... well, at least it ended up with great atmosphere...

Pan151Jun 10, 2012 6:10 PM

Jun 10, 2012 11:37 PM

#72

Thess

Offline

Sep 2010

1201

I'd love Hollow Ataraxia adapted because Avenger and Bazett are dynamic protagonists with a great relationship that isn't focused on romance.

Jun 11, 2012 12:48 AM

#73

sonicxsam

Offline

May 2012

35

All I gotta say is where do I sigh the paper saying i support a heavens feel animation. But sadly through to be fair I think a Tsukihime adaption would be a better idea since it does have alot of fans and with how old it is it kinda deserves one in my eyes. Not only including a Tsukihime adaption i would think would have a higher chance to be a success. (thats just me thinking through including that im not a huge tsukihime fan to begin with) <3 heaven feel all the way

Shirou you and me... are one of the same

Jun 11, 2012 3:27 AM

#74

Offline

Mar 2011

262

Pan151 said:

AidanAK47 said:
Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

Well, not really, they are anything BUT different. They actually have quite a bit in common, being both essentially mysteries, and even happening in the same universe (multiverse, to be exact) But their focus was different.

Umineko was all about heavy mystery and riddles. Higurashi was much more about atmosphere and less about the actual mystery. One translates much better on text and the other much better on film. Apparently they tried to focus on atmosphere in Umineko as well... and it didn't work nearly as well as in Higurashi... well, at least it ended up with great atmosphere...

I can't be the only that think both Higurashi & Umineko adaptions are awful right?

Thess said:
I'd love Hollow Ataraxia adapted because Avenger and Bazett are dynamic protagonists with a great relationship that isn't focused on romance.

I doubt F/HA anime could work, for various reasons. Besides, what will they label it? F/SN sequel? lol people are gonna be confused as hell.

Jun 11, 2012 3:42 AM

#75

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Lumathy said:

Pan151 said:

AidanAK47 said:
Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

Well, not really, they are anything BUT different. They actually have quite a bit in common, being both essentially mysteries, and even happening in the same universe (multiverse, to be exact) But their focus was different.

Umineko was all about heavy mystery and riddles. Higurashi was much more about atmosphere and less about the actual mystery. One translates much better on text and the other much better on film. Apparently they tried to focus on atmosphere in Umineko as well... and it didn't work nearly as well as in Higurashi... well, at least it ended up with great atmosphere...

I can't be the only that think both Higurashi & Umineko adaptions are awful right?

I believe Higurashi was good at what it wanted to show.I was able to like the characters,cry for them,laugh at them.With Umineko I didnt even care after EP2. I started the novels just to see where it was going with all the Fantasy vs Mystery.Then I loved it.

Jun 11, 2012 4:45 AM

#76

jeroz

Offline

Jul 2009

269

Higurashi was good as a cheap thrill, but as an proper anime it's really lacking in characterisation, music, and mystery. I did get some goosebumps while watching the anime, but its only when I visit the VN that I truly felt what the writer is wanting to achieve.

When just the prologue itself is able to make me cry (in the 2nd read through) while the whole 52ep anime cant, you know there's some serious problem

Jun 11, 2012 8:04 AM

#77

BloodRequiem

Offline

Apr 2012

3643

sonicxsam said:
All I gotta say is where do I sigh the paper saying i support a heavens feel animation. But sadly through to be fair I think a Tsukihime adaption would be a better idea since it does have alot of fans and with how old it is it kinda deserves one in my eyes. Not only including a Tsukihime adaption i would think would have a higher chance to be a success. (thats just me thinking through including that im not a huge tsukihime fan to begin with) <3 heaven feel all the way

It's getting a VN remake so the fans are appeased.
They have Mahoyo too.

Thess said:
I'd love Hollow Ataraxia adapted because Avenger and Bazett are dynamic protagonists with a great relationship that isn't focused on romance.

Yeh...I don't think it's gonna happen...

As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.

Jun 11, 2012 10:32 AM

#78

Offline

Mar 2011

262

BloodRequiem said:

It's getting a VN remake so the fans are appeased.
They have Mahoyo too.

I'm sure we would get a Fate/Zero remake before we get a Tsukihime VN remake.

ssjokg said:

Lumathy said:

Pan151 said:

AidanAK47 said:
Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

Well, not really, they are anything BUT different. They actually have quite a bit in common, being both essentially mysteries, and even happening in the same universe (multiverse, to be exact) But their focus was different.

Umineko was all about heavy mystery and riddles. Higurashi was much more about atmosphere and less about the actual mystery. One translates much better on text and the other much better on film. Apparently they tried to focus on atmosphere in Umineko as well... and it didn't work nearly as well as in Higurashi... well, at least it ended up with great atmosphere...

I can't be the only that think both Higurashi & Umineko adaptions are awful right?

I believe Higurashi was good at what it wanted to show.I was able to like the characters,cry for them,laugh at them.With Umineko I didnt even care after EP2. I started the novels just to see where it was going with all the Fantasy vs Mystery.Then I loved it.

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

Jun 11, 2012 10:40 AM

#79

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Lumathy said:

BloodRequiem said:

It's getting a VN remake so the fans are appeased.
They have Mahoyo too.

I'm sure we would get a Fate/Zero remake before we get a Tsukihime VN remake.

ssjokg said:

Lumathy said:

Pan151 said:

AidanAK47 said:
Plus Higurashi and Umineko are completely different.

Well, not really, they are anything BUT different. They actually have quite a bit in common, being both essentially mysteries, and even happening in the same universe (multiverse, to be exact) But their focus was different.

Umineko was all about heavy mystery and riddles. Higurashi was much more about atmosphere and less about the actual mystery. One translates much better on text and the other much better on film. Apparently they tried to focus on atmosphere in Umineko as well... and it didn't work nearly as well as in Higurashi... well, at least it ended up with great atmosphere...

I can't be the only that think both Higurashi & Umineko adaptions are awful right?

I believe Higurashi was good at what it wanted to show.I was able to like the characters,cry for them,laugh at them.With Umineko I didnt even care after EP2. I started the novels just to see where it was going with all the Fantasy vs Mystery.Then I loved it.

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

I have yet to read Higurashi but as an anime I think it was fine.Maybe not a good adaption but as a story it was good.If I had read the VN maybe I would feel the same as you.Umineko on the other hand was bad both as an anime show and as an adaption.

Yeah that animation.Well it WAS deen.

ssjokgJun 11, 2012 10:57 AM

Jun 11, 2012 10:49 AM

#80

Offline

Mar 2011

262

^ OMG Umineko, that was an instant drop after episode 1 for me, and it's not like I was even expecting much considering it's DEEN. We got the awesome OP & ED though so I guess I'm not mad.

Jun 11, 2012 11:38 AM

#81

Offline

Jan 2011

219

I don't care what any of you say - both Umineko and Higurashi are still in my top 5 Anime of all time. Higurashi is to me the best Anime series ever made - by a MILE.

Jun 11, 2012 12:33 PM

#82

Leon-Gun

Offline

Dec 2007

4845

Lumathy said:

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

I think this is what you did wrong. The Adaptation is weaker than the Novel by a lot, there's no one that can deny it. But you can't completely dismiss the adaptation, especially the second season (which added fixes proposed by Ryukishi07 himself). The way Rika was protrayed in the second season was pretty spot on, aside from the little mess up at not separating Real!Rika from Witch!Rika (or should we call her GameWorld!Rika).

Also, you seriously hate Higurashi's cheap animation when you are praising the game? The CHeap animation is the one thing a player of the doujins should not bash on considering how godawfull the doujins are in the visual department. You have to patch the game with improved visuals from a console port just to make it visually pleasing. I'd say DEEN gets a free pass on this department, considering they at least have the correct number of fingers and more or less anatomically correct bodies.

Pan151 said:
I don't care what any of you say - both Umineko and Higurashi are still in my top 5 Anime of all time. Higurashi is to me the best Anime series ever made - by a MILE.

:-/

Jun 11, 2012 4:36 PM

#83

Ahenshihael

Offline

Jul 2007

23708

ssjokg said:
Then,if we are talking ufotable re adapting Fate and UBW ,then let them make prologue and Fate together and for the UBW and HF start the story from Archer vs Lancer.

That would work as perfect lead-in to F/ha.

have the route switch be from Avenger's POV. With him and or Bazett observing one timeline then other and then third, with appropriate F/HA important flashbacks about Bazett, etc in between Frankly thats the only sensible way I see them incorporating and adapting F/HA.

Pan151 said:

Because if we are not talking back-to-back, we just need Deen to adapt HF and there you go, all 3 routes adapted.

No thank you, I'd ratherwatch paint dry than see DEEN rape another route.

Pan151 said:
n of 2 routes - it was a re-adaptation of a classic, several years from the original. Not at all the same thing...

Its two different interpretations of characters - the "canon" manga version and anime-original version that was animated before that.

Jun 12, 2012 7:37 PM

#84

Offline

Jun 2009

511

Leon-Gun said:

Lumathy said:

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

I think this is what you did wrong. The Adaptation is weaker than the Novel by a lot, there's no one that can deny it. But you can't completely dismiss the adaptation, especially the second season (which added fixes proposed by Ryukishi07 himself). The way Rika was protrayed in the second season was pretty spot on, aside from the little mess up at not separating Real!Rika from Witch!Rika (or should we call her GameWorld!Rika).

Also, you seriously hate Higurashi's cheap animation when you are praising the game? The CHeap animation is the one thing a player of the doujins should not bash on considering how godawfull the doujins are in the visual department. You have to patch the game with improved visuals from a console port just to make it visually pleasing. I'd say DEEN gets a free pass on this department, considering they at least have the correct number of fingers and more or less anatomically correct bodies.

What he said. Plus I think knowing the mysteries answers really hampers your enjoyment of it. Maybe the real reason you found it so bad was that you didn't get sucked into the atmosphere because you knew the reason behind everything so you just focused on the negative aspects.
Cause I got to tell you that I am trying to read the novel and finding myself bored. Plus like he said that art is a pretty big hurdle to cross.

Pan151 said:
I don't care what any of you say - both Umineko and Higurashi are still in my top 5 Anime of all time. Higurashi is to me the best Anime series ever made - by a MILE.

I have to say that this is a bit of stretch. Even though I love Higurashi I admit the animation was pretty bad. Still I can say it's probably the best Horror anime series ever made but that's because the horror genre of anime is seriously lacking.

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 12, 2012 10:12 PM

#85

Offline

Jan 2011

219

AidanAK47 said:

Pan151 said:
I don't care what any of you say - both Umineko and Higurashi are still in my top 5 Anime of all time. Higurashi is to me the best Anime series ever made - by a MILE.

I have to say that this is a bit of stretch. Even though I love Higurashi I admit the animation was pretty bad. Still I can say it's probably the best Horror anime series ever made but that's because the horror genre of anime is seriously lacking.

Well, no other anime up to this day has ever given me the same combination of goosebumps and tears that Higurashi did - I've already seen 140+ of these damn things, and the only thing that comes even remotely close to it is PMMM, and maybe Elfen Lied in the tears department...
Yah, the animation was indeed pretty bad. However, I do not consider animation quality to be of any significant importance in this particular series, just like I do not consider plot quality to be of any significant importance in something like, say, Bakemonogatari. It just doesn't really matter for what the series is trying to do...

Jun 13, 2012 9:37 AM

#86

Offline

Mar 2011

262

AidanAK47 said:

Leon-Gun said:

Lumathy said:

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

I think this is what you did wrong. The Adaptation is weaker than the Novel by a lot, there's no one that can deny it. But you can't completely dismiss the adaptation, especially the second season (which added fixes proposed by Ryukishi07 himself). The way Rika was protrayed in the second season was pretty spot on, aside from the little mess up at not separating Real!Rika from Witch!Rika (or should we call her GameWorld!Rika).

Also, you seriously hate Higurashi's cheap animation when you are praising the game? The CHeap animation is the one thing a player of the doujins should not bash on considering how godawfull the doujins are in the visual department. You have to patch the game with improved visuals from a console port just to make it visually pleasing. I'd say DEEN gets a free pass on this department, considering they at least have the correct number of fingers and more or less anatomically correct bodies.

What he said. Plus I think knowing the mysteries answers really hampers your enjoyment of it. Maybe the real reason you found it so bad was that you didn't get sucked into the atmosphere because you knew the reason behind everything so you just focused on the negative aspects.
Cause I got to tell you that I am trying to read the novel and finding myself bored. Plus like he said that art is a pretty big hurdle to cross.

I don't focus on negative aspects while watching anime but the negative aspects in some cases are too transparent to not be noticed. Although the fact that I already got spoiled must be a big reason too.

Jun 13, 2012 9:52 AM

#87

Read this if you want to start the Fate/ series but don't know from where.

Offline

Aug 2009

20024

Lumathy said:

AidanAK47 said:

Leon-Gun said:

Lumathy said:

really? I watched Higurashi after reading the Vn and I felt like the anime was just downright awful, the ugly design, the cheap animation, TONS of stuff got left out... It's like watching some recap montage where they just show random people getting killed by loli and as much blood as possible.

I think this is what you did wrong. The Adaptation is weaker than the Novel by a lot, there's no one that can deny it. But you can't completely dismiss the adaptation, especially the second season (which added fixes proposed by Ryukishi07 himself). The way Rika was protrayed in the second season was pretty spot on, aside from the little mess up at not separating Real!Rika from Witch!Rika (or should we call her GameWorld!Rika).

Also, you seriously hate Higurashi's cheap animation when you are praising the game? The CHeap animation is the one thing a player of the doujins should not bash on considering how godawfull the doujins are in the visual department. You have to patch the game with improved visuals from a console port just to make it visually pleasing. I'd say DEEN gets a free pass on this department, considering they at least have the correct number of fingers and more or less anatomically correct bodies.

What he said. Plus I think knowing the mysteries answers really hampers your enjoyment of it. Maybe the real reason you found it so bad was that you didn't get sucked into the atmosphere because you knew the reason behind everything so you just focused on the negative aspects.
Cause I got to tell you that I am trying to read the novel and finding myself bored. Plus like he said that art is a pretty big hurdle to cross.

I don't focus on negative aspects while watching anime but the negative aspects in some cases are too transparent to not be noticed. Although the fact that I already got spoiled must be a big reason too.

Remembering how hard it was for me to enjoy Fate route and Umineko EP1 since I watched the adaption first,I think that plays a big role.I am still wondering how I am going to read Chaos;head.

Jun 13, 2012 10:27 AM

#88

Offline

Jun 2009

511

ssjokg said:

Remembering how hard it was for me to enjoy Fate route and Umineko EP1 since I watched the adaption first,I think that plays a big role.I am still wondering how I am going to read Chaos;head.

If you want my advice I say don't read it. The start of chaos head is better than the anime adaptation but that only makes the disappointment of the rest of it even worse. Two thirds of chaos head is just pure terrible.

I recommend (If you haven't read it already) Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo. Cause it's a sin this Visual novel hasn't got a anime adaptation yet.

"I always take life with a grain of salt, ...plus a slice of lemon, ...and a shot of tequila."

Jun 13, 2012 10:54 AM

#89