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09-24-08, 7:14 PM

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Manly tears were shed. Beautiful and equally sad ending, the dying of Rosette was coming and we knew it. I'm grateful for the fact that the author didn't use some Deus Ex Machina to make her live again, though it pained me as I liked her character a lot. This is what I call a powerful scene.

Now, about the return of Chrno. Doesn't it seem awkward that he appeared JUST when she was about to die and desperate to see him again? Couldn't it have been some illusion made up by her mind to ease her pain before dying? I mean, a lot of people see things before they die (e.g. Jesus, a tunnel of light, etc.).

I think I'm overthinking this though. In my opinion the fact that she wished to keep her grave never to be opened to the public is to hide Chrno that would be buried with her, because, of course, a demon would awaken the curiosity of many people, and she just wants to rest with him in peace. But then, did they die together? Chrno looked seriously wounded. Since it's in Erwan's church he'd have guessed what to do when he saw them lying there on the ground. Or didn't she die yet, since she still had her last wishes to say in order for them to be buried together? Did she write them beforehand with Chrno mentioned in it?

Also, the flower issue. On Rosette's grave there already was a flower bouquet. Was it Fiora's? Was it a bouquet that's been put there by the descendants of Az because she was important to her? Put there by the cemetary authorities to decorate the graves? Or... was it Chrno, who survived? Which then leads me back to my thinking about the illusion part. She could've died in his arms, too, and this would lead to the primary thinking about his "true" return.
OR (damn, again), Chrno's return could've been pure symbolism to show her death, where she'd die and meet with him again in the afterlife (assuming he died in battle?).
Ugh.

I wonder why this obsesses me so much. I just can't stop thinking about it. Guess it's my overly romantic side talking eh. ^^ I'm imagining how it would've been if Chrno had reappeared one year or so after the events with Pandemonium...

Well, lastly, I'll have to say that this would be one of the most beautiful epilogues I've read up till now. The emotion is overwhelming. This'll be a manga I'll recommend others to read.

Sorry if I bored you, but I just had to put my thoughts down somewhere for other people to see. :P I'm kinda curious to see if others have thought the same as me as well.
 
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09-24-08, 7:47 PM

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ChaosAdept said:
Manly tears were shed. Beautiful and equally sad ending, the dying of Rosette was coming and we knew it. I'm grateful for the fact that the author didn't use some Deus Ex Machina to make her live again, though it pained me as I liked her character a lot. This is what I call a powerful scene.

Oh yes! I loved the final scenes. I cried as well. I so wish that the anime had the same ending. Not saying that it was bad, but the resolution could have been better.

Now, about the return of Chrno. Doesn't it seem awkward that he appeared JUST when she was about to die and desperate to see him again? Couldn't it have been some illusion made up by her mind to ease her pain before dying? I mean, a lot of people see things before they die (e.g. Jesus, a tunnel of light, etc.).

I think I'm overthinking this though. In my opinion the fact that she wished to keep her grave never to be opened to the public is to hide Chrno that would be buried with her, because, of course, a demon would awaken the curiosity of many people, and she just wants to rest with him in peace. But then, did they die together? Chrno looked seriously wounded. Since it's in Erwan's church he'd have guessed what to do when he saw them lying there on the ground. Or didn't she die yet, since she still had her last wishes to say in order for them to be buried together? Did she write them beforehand with Chrno mentioned in it?

Also, the flower issue. On Rosette's grave there already was a flower bouquet. Was it Fiora's? Was it a bouquet that's been put there by the descendants of Az because she was important to her? Put there by the cemetary authorities to decorate the graves? Or... was it Chrno, who survived? Which then leads me back to my thinking about the illusion part. She could've died in his arms, too, and this would lead to the primary thinking about his "true" return.
OR (damn, again), Chrno's return could've been pure symbolism to show her death, where she'd die and meet with him again in the afterlife (assuming he died in battle?).
Ugh.

I like to be optimistic about these scenes. I believe Chrono did return and that it is he who leaves flowers behind every year. It can't have been Florette, since she had only be revived for a month or so. I don't think it was Azmaria's descendants because Satella is with her grandson, who seems to know nothing about it. Not saying that he's the only grandchild, but I'd think that the family members would know if they were leaving flowers, especially those family members close to Azmaria.

I suppose Daisuke Moriyama wanted to leave us thinking - and hoping.

I wonder why this obsesses me so much. I just can't stop thinking about it. Guess it's my overly romantic side talking eh. ^^ I'm imagining how it would've been if Chrno had reappeared one year or so after the events with Pandemonium...

Well, lastly, I'll have to say that this would be one of the most beautiful epilogues I've read up till now. The emotion is overwhelming. This'll be a manga I'll recommend others to read.

Sorry if I bored you, but I just had to put my thoughts down somewhere for other people to see. :P I'm kinda curious to see if others have thought the same as me as well.

Give Mahoromatic a shot, if you don't mind a bit of underage fanservice. It's own epilogue is somewhat similar, except there's no suspicion of it being an illusion (unlike the anime ending).
 
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12-16-08, 2:27 PM

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What I find awkward is how long it took chrono to get back to rossette. The battle with Aion should have been a snap. Chrono was much more powerful with his horns, and Aion weaker without his sword. It is possible that chrono ripped off his horns again but I doubt it.

Yes, Yes you are putting too much thought into it.
 
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08-17-09, 6:52 AM

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I don't understand it as well, why Chrno didn't come back to Rosette sooner. They loved each other, and after he fought with Aion, he should have gone back to his love... I could not imagine, what have happened with him during so many years, and why was he so wounded (and why didn't he heal it..)
I don't understand it at all...
 
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09-17-09, 5:07 PM

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It's a stale topic but I've just finished reading (and crying) and I had to state my opinion...

The true value of this story is its tragic ending, I don't think it would have been half as good if it was all "flowery sweet and happy"... I'd like to think that Chrono came back but it's quite unlikely... year have passed that he couldn't have spent recovering and coming back wearing his "old" clothes and having those wounds... Rosette just happened to be dying at that point... it's probably her "light at the end of the tunnel" and our illusion of a happy ending...
 
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12-24-09, 1:29 PM

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While it's plausible that yeah that was her hallucinating I don't think so. She seemed very lucid and the whole bittersweet thing just compounds on itself if you think yes this was Chrono being with her right before she died.

The series was rather blunt and didn't try and put up with allusions and whatnot so i don't think in this instance the authour would pick now to start up with that sort of thing.

And I didn't even think that bouquet was left by Chrono but it makes sense. I thought it was Fiore but as others said she just woke up and is chilling with Sider. She definitely doesn't have a connection with Rosette anyway. He is a demon after all so he probably is still alive

As for what took Chrono so long he was in outerspace fighting his brother and probably got really messed up. Weakened and poor he trekked cross the world

The manga was far better than the anime. Though I think I preferred just killing off Satella.
 
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04-20-10, 8:00 PM

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The ending...just wow.
 
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05-17-10, 12:28 PM

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Moriyama has written the ending in a way that allows us to choose how we wish to see the ending.

I interprate it as Rosette meeting Chrono in the afterlife. She crawls to the altar and dies then the church doors open symbolizing the opening of the gates to the afterlife with Chrono standing there to meet her. I see it this way because Chrono couldn't possibly show up at the very last second after leaving her all alone for years. He probably died against Aion.

Everyone is free to choose their own interpreation of the ending and I like to think of it as them reuniting and being together in the afterlife.
 
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11-16-10, 7:27 PM

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Asrialys said:
ChaosAdept said:
Manly tears were shed. Beautiful and equally sad ending, the dying of Rosette was coming and we knew it. I'm grateful for the fact that the author didn't use some Deus Ex Machina to make her live again, though it pained me as I liked her character a lot. This is what I call a powerful scene.

Oh yes! I loved the final scenes. I cried as well.


Truthfully, that was one of the best endings I have seen in a long time. The ending wasn't softened at all, it was a beautiful way to end it. It's been awhile since I've cried so much at the end of a series. It is an ending I'm going to continue thinking about for a long, long time.
 
12-27-10, 7:43 PM

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There's a lot of different versions of the ending I've heard, but here's my take on it:

(1) Chrono is alive when he returns to Rosette, she dies in his arms, and he lives until at least 1999. I actually really like the idea that he's dead and welcoming her into the afterlife/Heaven, but I don't believe this for a few reasons. First, if that's his spirit, then why is it bandaged that way? Second, why doesn't he look like he did when he supposedly died? (Different clothing, his hair is longer, etc.) And third, who's leaving the flowers on her grave if it isn't Chrono?

My personal theory on why he didn't show up until then is that he's been struggling for his life the whole time. We know that Pandaemonium exploded and created a ring around the Earth, but we also know that it must have been possible to escape, since Shader is still alive in 1999 and she's a witness to Aion and Chrono's last battle. I think he must've been caught up in the explosion (or almost caught up), but Shader somehow managed to save him. His bandages--the amputated arm and tape over his eye--also correspond to where the corrupted legion rebuilt his wounds when he first put the horns back into place. My guess is the corrupted legion threatened his life (along with whatever other injuries he took in battle), and Shader tried for years to find a way to cure it before eventually realizing there was no other way to save him other than getting rid of the corrupted legion, cutting off Chrono's arm and getting rid of his eye. It probably happened close to the time of Rosette's death, since he's still bandaged up.

(2) Chrono's the one that leaves flowers on Rosette's grave every year. If it's not Chrono and he really did die (and is possibly buried with Rosette), I can see it maybe being Shader, since she's affectionate towards Chrono and doesn't bear any ill will toward Rosette, but she doesn't make quite as much since to me.

Also, I'm curious, did anyone else catch that Joshua and Azmaria seem to be engaged or married in the epilogue? the first time I read the manga I didn't notice at all, so it took me by surprise when I reread it. (Now that I've read through it a few times I can notice some foreshadowing of the two growing close together and being hinted as tied together, but...I still sort of wish Moriyama had time to develop that more.)
 
02-28-11, 6:03 AM

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I agree with Marinaa and Morcombe after reading the ending I thought as much as I wish that Rosette had died with Chrono there I felt that it was unlikely. I was on the verge of tears just because I thought that it was really her light at the end of the tunnel. I like the way Morcombe said it best.
 
11-01-11, 11:22 PM

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What I can say, this was a great Manga. I loved every bit of it. Even the ending was great, it was very touching and sad. Moriyama did a fantastic job.
 
03-11-12, 4:17 AM

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But remember! It is said that Chrno was executed by the order in 1924!
I believe he was waiting for her at the other side. The bouquet might be Sheida and she helped Satella and Fiore...
But Azu and Joshua holding hands at Rosette's funeral and wearing a ring means they got married? Didn't Joshua joined the order?
 
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