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May 28, 2012 3:07 PM

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Sound's like a case of the jade, yep.

In the end, "originality" is just a fancy term for the same old shit wrapped in different paper, maybe with some extra bacon, unusual spice or a side order of salad instead of the fries. Obviously you will be less excited about sinking your teeth in it once you realize this and can predict with unnerving accuracy what kind of plot twists and tropes they'll pull in the next episode.

But with such a small list, you've obviously got loads of awesome stuff left. LoGH, Ghost in the Shell, Rose of Versailles, Cowboy Bebop, Utena, Gundam, NGE, Perfect Blue, Macross, Nana, Aria, Votoms, Slayers, Baccano, Haruhi, TTGL etc.

The best thing to do when you're feeling like this is to ignore the currently running anime and go dig for some highly acclaimed classics for a while and see if that helps.

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May 28, 2012 3:09 PM

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I've noticed this issue with my judgement on anime as well. You're definitely not alone on this one. It seems like to me it's more difficult to pick out a good number of anime per season as the year goes by.

I'd like to add that our ability to predict an anime's plot based on it's PV, description and/or promo picture enhances over the years but at the same time gets the best of us. When we read a description about an anime with a typical shounen hero who gains some mysterious power (typical, but bear with me,) we automatically are going to think that there's nothing special or original about that show because we've already seen it done plenty of times in the past. But what if there's that slim chance that this show may have some interesting qualities to it and we let our judgement decide that the anime is crap before it aired?

Looking for good anime is hard when you've seen some great anime in the past, but I believe they're out there. My suggestion to you is to try picking out anime that has the same director as your favorites. Some of them are still active in the anime industry, so yeah.
 
May 28, 2012 3:42 PM

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Well, what if it's a question of genres? What if a lot of the anime being produced doesn't appeal to him? For me a few scans of the 2012 spring/summer anime season by a google search shows a lot school/romance stuff and a lot of shounen. Neither of those genres appeal to me that much unless they manage to be so good to warrant a must watch regardless of genre. Still, i managed to find several things from just 2012 that look interesting:

Uchuu Kyoudai, Ozuma,Zetman, Fate/zero 2, Eureka 7 AO,(maybe AKB0048), Kingdom, Madoka Box (it's gainax why not),Moyashimon Returns, and Kyoukai Senjou No Horizon II.

@rechbeets - 10 Episodes into mirai nikki the show is kind of dissapointing, the comedy sometimes kills the suspense feeling, yuno gets on my nerves because the only thing she thinks about is protecting yuki, the role of the diaries tends to be pretty arbitrary since they can change due to any action, so there isn't really a 'battle of wits' type thing going on. It's probably going to get a 6 from me. Still, I haven't watched anything else on that list yet so I can't make a claim about quality.

However, I'm hardly qualified to comment on the state of anime as a whole however since I haven't watched that much anime.
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May 29, 2012 1:53 AM

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Looking at your list, you hardly seem to have seen enough of a variety of anime as it is to be qualified to comment on the overall quality of any year or "era" of anime.

And going off of your MAL graph (http://mal.oko.im/sasuke_kun) your thread title is more baseless than it already was; your average score for anime in the 2000s is 8.26, and it gets progressively lower each decade you go back. So really your opinion seems to be the opposite; at least until 2010, anime was getting better and better.

But those are just statistics, so it just seems that you can't seem to find good anime of recent years; not that "the quality of anime has decreased". You listed your favorite four and the most recent ended in '08. Here are just some anime that are generally popular and viewed as good/great by at least a majority of viewers, that were released in 2008 or later:


You say the quality of anime has decreased. Yet it's not like every studio out there has simultaneously started to churn out lesser-quality products. Every year, every decade, are a variety of "good" and "bad" anime. This applies for all mediums of entertainment, from books to movies to television. It's not as black and white as "anime from Year X is better than anime from Year Y" or "anime from back in the day was way better than the crap they're spewing out now." Those are just groundless statements.

Ive seen/given 8 of those shows a chance. Please dont use my list here as an list of what i ave seen. Its not accurate.
 
May 29, 2012 2:40 AM

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Quality of anime hasn't decreased, there has been shitty shows back then and there are shitty shows now. In every decade there are good an bad series and as we are people time glorifies your memories. It's just the quantity which has increased and now it is easier to find than it was 10-15 years ago. Everything is available, not jus the few best series. Most of the series I have given 9-10 are from the 21st century as most of the series I have seen are from the 21st century.

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May 29, 2012 4:59 AM

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not so much, we are just getting older and seeing the same ideas rehashed over and similarities between each of anime we have watched. that is going to happen in anything we do ^^ to anybody watching anime for the first time it will seem as awesome to them as it did for our first anime :)
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May 29, 2012 9:53 AM

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What do you consider crap?
I feel shounens that are on your favorites to be crap sometimes, with all its predictable patterns, and it's a lot of producing of that.
 
May 29, 2012 9:57 AM

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What do you consider crap?
I feel shounens that are on your favorites to be crap sometimes, with all its predictable patterns, and it's a lot of producing of that.


Everything is predictable to a degree.
A story will have a protagonist and antagonist.
That protagonist will go though a series of trials until the end of his/her story and will most likely prevail against the main antagonist by the time the story is over.

The fun part of enjoying stories is usually the journey even if you know the destination.

 
May 30, 2012 7:32 AM

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not so much, we are just getting older and seeing the same ideas rehashed over and similarities between each of anime we have watched. that is going to happen in anything we do ^^ to anybody watching anime for the first time it will seem as awesome to them as it did for our first anime :)


I agree.
 
May 30, 2012 8:51 AM

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Commenting on this subject can be really touchy but I'm going to attempt to give my opinion without sounding rude or offending anyone- So here I go..

In my opinion anime has gotten a lot better, and will keep getting better with time. Look at the new anime that was just released spring 2012, the animation and execution of these anime hits home base compared to older shows such as Naruto, Chobits, and Inuyasha. I mean sure they too got better with time but they still do not meet up with the quality of newly released anime.

Now with that said it does not mean bad anime are not being made now, look at Kill me Baby- Its rather new but blew chunks all over everything anime. I think your problem is that you are too picky with what you watch and have the mind set of a nostalgic anime and want to compare everything else to it. My advice would be to just watch something, even if you think its bad, after a few episodes it may grow on you.
 
May 30, 2012 10:00 AM

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It's just you and probably your nostalgia factor.
Every year there are some good animes and bad ones.
And sometimes there are excellent ones.
So no anime in general hasn't lose quality. In fact, since the technology has been advancing, it should be getting better.

 
May 30, 2012 12:14 PM

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Having looked through your list. I think I know what your problem is. The quality of anime has not truly decreased. However, the quality of SHONEN anime (which was already too low for me to get interested in many shows) has dropped exponentially. And that's all that's really on your list, Shonen or animes that have many shonen themes.
You don't have to go watch Cardcaptor Sakura or anything, but you do need to expand your horizons a bit. Try expanding the action/adventure genres to your list. There are way more of those and they are usually of higher quality. The one Shonen anime that came out this season is Zetman. Check it out if you wish but it's kind of a fail.
For you, I would recommend titles such as Black Cat, Record of Lodos War and sequel, Gankutsuou, GetBackers, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, Hundred Stories, Mars Daybreak, Mirai Nikki (TV), Another, Outlaw Star, Paranoia Agent, Saiyuki and Trigun. Oh yeah. And Gintama.
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May 31, 2012 3:48 PM

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I must say that recently anime is not as good as it used to be, I agree with THE name of the topic...

But you're quite an interesting one...For a person who gave a 10 to Naruto I think you have absolutely no right to talk about annoying fillers and etc... :D

Well I guess I should begin with the fact that your list is quite poor, so I don't really understand what exactly are you talking/complaining about...You haven't seen enough to make a comparison... But mainly anime is a repetative endless cycle, so you won't find many "original" ones...

IF you want something original try watcing animes aired before 2006. Don't put flashy sparkly faaabulous overrated bullshit like Code Geass(sorry I hated it) in the "originals"...they are NOT!!! -.-

Basically you need to see more older shows with not so sparkly art but very good story, OR stop watching anime...read more books -_-
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May 31, 2012 3:50 PM

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simple answer: you got older so your tastes changed
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May 31, 2012 4:04 PM

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After many years of watching a lot of anime you start to think that you have seen it all. It is true that as you get older you won't like as many series. As i got older i looked at the first few animes i watched and thought they sucked, why did i watch them? I will admit that the past few season i noticed that originality is hard to come by. However there have been some pretty good animes coming out, but you just need to notice them when they do. I am not a very picky person with my anime so i can't understand how you feel.
 
May 31, 2012 4:09 PM

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No!
Some how i think the anime quality have increase! All 2009 to now the anime graphic and quality have a big difference :O Their getting better!!
 
May 31, 2012 4:36 PM

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I don't think quality's dropped, but I do find that anime have become less 'experimental' in the past few years and just go with the flow. (But to a certain extent, I think this is true in every anime era.) This may well be because I don't enjoy the slice of life anime boom that's been happening lately, so I don't enjoy the majority of new shows.
I can still find a number of new series (in the past few years 2008 and newer)that I've enjoyed tremendously. However, my absolute favorite shows are all pre 2007 (then there's FMA Brotherhood, but I'd call that an exception, since it is a remake afterall)
I don't think that quality is decreasing, but the market is becoming orientated towards an audience which I'm not a part of, so I'm unable to enjoy the new shows as much. And that's pretty much all I'm gonna say about the topic. I'm sure the SoL/moe era will pass eventually and we'll get some new trend. Or at least I hope so.
 
May 31, 2012 4:45 PM

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It's just you.
 
May 31, 2012 5:10 PM

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Your favorite anime is bleach, you have many more amazing shows to uncover
 
May 31, 2012 5:12 PM

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When we look back on older shows, it's always the same gang that gets mentioned, such as Neon Genesis Evangelion, Excel Saga, Slayers and whatnot. Only big names. That is because no-one cares about the the rest and as a result, they are also harder to find.

Today, we follow anime seasons and we watch EVERYTHING. That is why quality can seem mixed, as we don't know the "big names", since that is what history will tell us.

In ten years, the question will still be the same, but we will add, perhaps, Haruhi, Madoka Magica and other heavy hitters to the classics. And not care the slightest about stuff like Uppotte or whatever it is.

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I like the older art style though, the one from about 10 years back. It clicks with me.
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May 31, 2012 5:17 PM

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No.

. Maybe Naruto but Shippuuden is awful it made the show worse for me. And i used to be a narutard, litteraly.



Then why is Shippuuden in your favorites?
 
May 31, 2012 5:18 PM

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CG there, CG here, CG everywhere. This mostly applies to mecha.

Anyways, I wouldn't say quality has dropped, because the quality in terms of overall art, usage of color, etc definitively has improved compare Trigun (1998) with Trigun: Badland Rumble (2010). Not the oldest of old but it's not like the TS's series listed are either. Though you can definetly say a lot of character designs are generic/reused for modern anime. *cough*

It might be the execution or the plot/story itself that has deteriorated since everything these days is re-used or just branched off from another/multiple of other series.
 
May 31, 2012 5:19 PM

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pff, NO! its just you...
 
May 31, 2012 5:54 PM

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I occasionally think the same thing, but every once in a while there comes a new anime that lets me know that there is indeed still quality anime being produced.
 
May 31, 2012 6:47 PM

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This thread is funny.

I don't have a problem with you feeling that way, but it's hard to accept it as valid and read thur the thread.

There are at least a handful of great recent anime gifs and banners in the short 3 pages of this thread.

Holo's smiling at me, Lady Eucliwood is dancing
Yuno blood lust making me uncomfortable
Mei and Angle are looking threw me.

Your wrong.....
 
Jun 7, 2012 4:52 AM

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The amount of Ecchi is too damn high.
Saying that -- there's still the same ratio of good:bad anime per year, I guess?
 
Jun 7, 2012 5:44 AM

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It is most definitely just you.
 
Jun 7, 2012 6:30 AM

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deadleeserious said:
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No.

Your nostalgia paints older shows as being better than they actually are + you're probably not watching the best of the new shows.

No, i dont. I can only think of 2 animes that i feel nostalgia over, Hellsing and Naruto (1 - 135). Neither of those shows ranks in my top 5. Maybe Naruto but Shippuuden is awful it made the show worse for me. And i used to be a narutard, litteraly.

Trust me, nostalgia doesnt paint any shows better then they are for me.


Fair enough. Second point still stands though. Looking at your list, you've barely watched any of the worthwhile titles of the last 5 years. You don't have that many great pre-2000 anime on your list though so I'm not sure what you're comparing newer stuff to either.
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it has i lived the change 1st hand [ art History degee holder] art has become a lot less detailed than it use to be most of the so called Top Quitly anime of the last five years were/are made the People who give Otaku a bad rep [the waifu crowd espiacly] and Noddle people

or its bad cash in vn adaptions that compress the story far to much from the scouce that uslealyy make it 1/8-1/10 the lenght of the source[ thush maing it badly made

Lack of original Productions 70's 80's and to some extent 90's were full of them very much less in past five years or maybe even ten years

say 100 new tv anime that only that way cuase there less Money to make 30 plus episode oringal shows anime has not fully rocovered from 90's crash imo taking infaltion into account the Industry makes less than it did in the pre crash years less money in = less money to put in to new productions so that = less quilty simple fact of life
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my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
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How many degrees do you have Enjolras? Every post you ever make lists you having yet another qualification.....
 
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How many degrees do you have Enjolras? Every post you ever make lists you having yet another qualification.....


art history and music technology are the two drgees i have
my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
Jun 7, 2012 7:29 AM

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I don't think quality's dropped, but I do find that anime have become less 'experimental' in the past few years and just go with the flow. (But to a certain extent, I think this is true in every anime era.) This may well be because I don't enjoy the slice of life anime boom that's been happening lately, so I don't enjoy the majority of new shows.
I can still find a number of new series (in the past few years 2008 and newer)that I've enjoyed tremendously. However, my absolute favorite shows are all pre 2007 (then there's FMA Brotherhood, but I'd call that an exception, since it is a remake afterall)
I don't think that quality is decreasing, but the market is becoming orientated towards an audience which I'm not a part of, so I'm unable to enjoy the new shows as much. And that's pretty much all I'm gonna say about the topic. I'm sure the SoL/moe era will pass eventually and we'll get some new trend. Or at least I hope so.


Pretty much this. None of the premises of slice of life shows really appeal to me, other than a few things I want to watch like bartender, azumanga daioh, GTO, Welcome to the NHK, Genshiken and Niea_7.

I watched aria which is kind of held up as 'the' slice of life show. I watched the first 13 episode chunk, and there was basically no plot, and it was a slice of nothing show. However, that's fine, but it needs good characters to make up for the lack of plot. Well, it didn't really have that. The basic archetypes were fine, but they never really progressed beyond them. It wasted time on purple prose and sentimental gibberish, and the reactions and interactions of the characters were so moe many of them might as well have been the same character in many instances:"my my" or "Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!?". I'm not judging the entire slice of life genre, but hopefully if it's going to be a longterm trend it's going to need to adopt something other than cuteness and objectification of women. I can be plot, comedy or character, but something needs to set these shows apart. Course, maybe I'm in the minority in thinking this way, and maybe the hardcore japanese otaku market is perfectly fine having 50 million more K-on! type shows.
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Jun 7, 2012 8:10 AM

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True, overall, you are speaking the truth in a few points.
One is: many anime lately focuses on fan service and forget that the most important part of an anime is plot itself.
Two: Repetitive stories. Some anime are just too ridiculous and astonishing to bear watching, because honestly, it somewhat contains surreal and cliché plots.
However, somewhere around, you went totally mistaken. You've only found the trash polished in gold, and didn't see the ones that are actually 100% golden.

Perhaps a few things here and there would be repetitive, but hey, I'd like to see you bring out a 100% original story. All the important main themes are already taken, so the entertainment industry's job is to take these themes and bring out a masterpiece out of it.

Such anime that might suit your taste are stated below:

  • Air Gear
  • Durarara! (put it in watching instead of on-hold, seriously.)
  • Guilty Crown(Recommended for a Code Geass fan)
  • Hakuouki(Might not suit you since it's from an otome game though)
  • KHR(You've rated it a 10, yet you dropped it. Maybe it began badly-which I might agree with, but I'd advise you to get back to it.)
  • Saraiya Goyou (You might not like this type of art, but you'll get used to it as you continue, because speaking honestly, this is unfairly underrated)
  • Toradora!(ok, there many other awesome romance anime, but I wasn't really sure if you like these types)
  • Accel World
  • Gankutsuou(A true underrated masterpiece)
  • Jormungand
  • Kuroku no Basuke
  • Hyouka
  • Mirai Nikki
  • Sankarea
  • Sakamichi no Apollon
  • Tasogare Otome x Amnesia

    These comes from my experience only. I can actually recommend a hell lot more with high ratings, but I haven't watched them so I'm not one to judge on it.

    Hope it was helpful.
 
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art has become a lot less detailed than it use to be most of the so called Top Quitly anime of the last five years were/are made the People who give Otaku a bad rep [the waifu crowd espiacly] and Noddle people

or its bad cash in vn adaptions that compress the story far to much from the scouce that uslealyy make it 1/8-1/10 the lenght of the source[ thush maing it badly made

Lack of original Productions 70's 80's and to some extent 90's were full of them very much less in past five years or maybe even ten years

say 100 new tv anime that only that way cuase there less Money to make 30 plus episode oringal shows anime has not fully rocovered from 90's crash imo taking infaltion into account the Industry makes less than it did in the pre crash years less money in = less money to put in to new productions so that = less quilty simple fact of life
my 11 main things i rate on

1 Impact on Impact on industry both the anime and Original Manga had
2 TV Ratings in Japan [ Gross for movies Unit sales for OVAs 3 Manga Ka of the Sourcework
4 how loyal the anime stayed to its source how well the compare to other big name in its genre
5 Seiyuu casting [ how many i know by voice i use the royal I here ]
6 Impact on General Pop Culture in Japan and the West 7 Impact on Otaku Culture in Japan and the West
8 Music[ Instrumentation]
9 merchandise sales
10 art style 11 Studio who produced the anime[ and what thay have done for the industry]





 
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it's not that they are producing only crap but great animes are indeed rare nowadays.
Why?
simple: because they mostly copy the plot from one anime, rewrite a few things, put it in a little different setting and kabloey they want you to like it. the problem is the main audience for which these animes are being produced suck rhino balls.
You might find one anime that will leave you with an open mouth once a year or even once 2 years.
 
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No such thing as "originality".


Wrong. It's actually impossible for it not to exist, everything has to originate somewhere. While it's hard to achieve in most forms of media or art these days, there most definitely are original anime series. Not that it really even matters that much, all that matters is the quality of the entertainment provided by each anime. Just because the idea has been done before doesn't mean it can't be done again in an improved fashion.

I don't think anime has decreased in quality one bit. Perhaps the OP is letting nostalgia get the best of him, but they're countless amazing anime series that have been released in the past 5 years.
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