Day2Dream said: Grass is always greener on the other side. Do some research on people who have moved there from abroad already. You'll learn more of the pros and cons. If you're fine with the cons (I personally don't like the Japanese cons) then go ahead. Is it? Well, just consider Africa. It's definitely greener. Japan is rather a good choice. Let's consider some poor sides: 1) Urban Pop Density -> High stress even for a world-class transport system: 1 Tokyo Japan 32,450,000 8,014 4,049 2) Poor future economic trends Nikkei 225 has fallen over approximately 50% (between June 2007 and December 2008). 3) Xenophobia In 2005, a United Nations special rapporteur on racism and xenophobia expressed concerns about "deep and profound" racism in Japan and insufficient government recognition of the problem. But let's be honest: Tokyo is crazy in Population Density. Japan is crazy in Population Density. But there's an ageing society(also a minus). That's a poor trend, but all urban areas have ridiculous population density. We already have structures like the Khalifa. Think if that building housed people with maximal density. The economy is poor everywhere. Germany? It's still going to be pulled by poor people everywhere else. More often than not a place with good economic trends is one that is a severe outlier. Many places have xenophobia. There's still black-white(not xenophobia but same issue) in US. People will discriminate simply because of origin. Japan, on the whole, is a very promising place to live if one finds a way in. It's clearly one of the better places on Earth. This applies, in different ways, to Scandinavian countries always getting 1st on HDI list (Just look at their prisons) or perhaps CanadIa, which I think will be rich with its level of oil reserves. |
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NicoleB said: nubmonk said: Uprooting yourself and moving to a completely different country because of your hobby is fucking dumb. Re-think your situation. Moving to a new country is in fact something that all people should do in there lives at some point. If you haven't ever considered something like that, then in my opinion, you should "Re-think your situation." Never understood people who stay in the same city/country all there lives. No i agree completely. I just think it's dumb to do it because of your hobby. Like i really like video games but i don't wanna move to LA so i can go to E3 and "be closer to da video games xD". I'm saying to rethink his situation because they should be thinking "Hmmm if i do move there will i be able to get a stable job and not be a homeless gaijin that doesn't understand anybody" as opposed to "I wonder if i can make it to Comiket xDDDD". |
atty said: NicoleB said: Moving to a new country is in fact something that all people should do in there lives at some point. If you haven't ever considered something like that, then in my opinion, you should "Re-think your situation." Never understood people who stay in the same city/country all there lives. If someone is happy with where they are, why should they consider moving elsewhere? Of course, there's the experience of living somewhere new but it's not a necessity of life. I would only think there's a problem if you're unhappy with where you are and don't consider moving elsewhere. That is where we disagree, as I do consider it a necessity of life. |
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sleeplesstown said: NicoleB said: nubmonk said: Uprooting yourself and moving to a completely different country because of your hobby is fucking dumb. Re-think your situation. Moving to a new country is in fact something that all people should do in there lives at some point. If you haven't ever considered something like that, then in my opinion, you should "Re-think your situation." Never understood people who stay in the same city/country all there lives. It's something that you have to devote a big chunk of your life to, it's not really something to go and do to satisfy a small curiosity or desire you have. Not to mention that most countries frown on dual citizenship. Just travel, it's easier. Yes you do have to devote a large chunk of your life too it but I personally believe that it's something extremely important in someones live to actually go and experience other cultures. When I'm in my early 20s (It's actually my birthday today!) I'm planning on spending most of my life living in different countries, I actually don't plan on returning "home" for many years, obviously I'll come back at times to see family and such, but I don't plan on living in either the UK or Italy (where I've lived before) at all, at least not for many years. I want to try living in many many different places. |
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| After reading about xenophobia on this topic, I decided to google it. I read some articles and some experiences from people who moved to Japan. Well, it looks like it isn't that bad as people say. Apparently, it's indeed more common with the elderly, new generations are more likely to accept different cultures, they even find it interesting. However, it looks like foreigners often have problems with the police. But, unfortunately, this happens in many countries, like US. Of course this may vary from region to region, but I guess it's not something you should really worry about, if you think about moving to Japan. |
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greeko17 said: After reading about xenophobia on this topic, I decided to google it. I read some articles and some experiences from people who moved to Japan. Well, it looks like it isn't that bad as people say. Apparently, it's indeed more common with the elderly, new generations are more likely to accept different cultures, they even find it interesting. However, it looks like foreigners often have problems with the police. But, unfortunately, this happens in many countries, like US. Of course this may vary from region to region, but I guess it's not something you should really worry about, if you think about moving to Japan. It's definitely been blown out of proportion by people here, I talk to my friend most days on Skype and shes been living in Japan for around 18 months now and shes never said anything to me at all about anyone doing any kind of racism at all towards her. Obviously it's good to be aware of these things, but let's be serious, you will always come across small-minded people you can't let that stop you from doing something you want. |
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NicoleB said: atty said: NicoleB said: Moving to a new country is in fact something that all people should do in there lives at some point. If you haven't ever considered something like that, then in my opinion, you should "Re-think your situation." Never understood people who stay in the same city/country all there lives. If someone is happy with where they are, why should they consider moving elsewhere? Of course, there's the experience of living somewhere new but it's not a necessity of life. I would only think there's a problem if you're unhappy with where you are and don't consider moving elsewhere. That is where we disagree, as I do consider it a necessity of life. The only necessity in life is being happy with the life you lived so you can feel satisfied when you close your eyes for good nothing else. If living in one place never bothered you and you where happy then that is just fine. Your feelings aren't necessities they are just your feelings. Also the people criticizing him and being harsh on the Op here are the true people that actually help him. There is nothing bad with him dreaming to live in Japan but the thing is his dreaming a Japan from anime, the Japan his dreaming doesn't even exist. At least people being more harsh make him realize of reality and help him from getting a big disappointment and waste his life. |
MonadMay 28, 2012 9:18 AM
| OP is typical 15 year old animufanboy. Topic pointless. |
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Monad said: Also the people criticizing him and being harsh on the Op here are the true people that actually help him. There is nothing bad with him dreaming to live in Japan but the thing is his dreaming a Japan from anime, the Japan his dreaming doesn't even exist. At least people being more harsh make him realize of reality and help him from getting a big disappointment and waste his life. No, the people here criticizing the OP are ones who are making plenty of assumptions and just regurgitating what they tell to everyone who likes anime and considers going to Japan. You're not helping him, you're just pushing your own negative feelings and disappointment onto someone else. The OP never openly assumed anything about what he thinks Japan is, but actually acknowledged his lack of information regarding actual life in Japan. In return, he gets people who say things like "it's not like anime, grow the fuck up." How insightful and helpful. He came here to help learn what life is like in Japan, and is instead patronized for his lack of knowledge. |
| I think the best way to assess whether you would like living in another country is to compare its pros and cons. Here are some of the cons that come with living in Japan:
On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. |
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AnnoKano said: I think the best way to assess whether you would like living in another country is to compare its pros and cons. Here are some of the cons that come with living in Japan:
On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. I lol'd hard. Anyways,just go for a trip to Japan. My friend's boyfriend did so, but he got caught up in the whole earthquake thing. Just think real carefully first. |
GloriousHawkMay 28, 2012 10:13 AM
AnnoKano said: I think the best way to assess whether you would like living in another country is to compare its pros and cons. Here are some of the cons that come with living in Japan:
On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. LOL! Funniest post by AnnoKano yet. To the OP, I am begging you to be fluent in Japanese and visit Japan at least a few times before seriously considering to move there. If possible, get a job in Japan. My family immigrated to the US from Taiwan, and the language, cultural, and job barriers were very hard for us to break, even though my parents understood a little English and have been to the US a few times before we immigrated. And America is supposed to be an immigrant friendly country too. Japan definitely is not one. You're going to have a really hard time if you're not being rational here. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
AnnoKano said: I think the best way to assess whether you would like living in another country is to compare its pros and cons. Here are some of the cons that come with living in Japan:
On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. You could make a list like that for every country in the world. |
| "If you love someone Follow your heart Cause love comes once If you’re lucky enough" |
AnnoKano said: On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. I can get those over here no need to go live in Japan |
NicoleB said: You could make a list like that for every country in the world. Perhaps the point then is that summarising a country into a list of pros and cons, or facts about the country in question cannot possibly provide an adequate picture of what it would actually be like to live there, and thus we should not only try and learn more about it for ourselves and perhaps try spending time in the country or with people of that country before making an absolute decision to move there. JonyJC said: AnnoKano said: On the other hand, here are some of the postives:
As you can see, the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives, and you should leave for glorious Nippon as soon as you can, preferably on the next flight. I can get those over here no need to go live in Japan Your ability to understand subtext and implicit points impresses me to no end. |
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yourelagginme said: . You can and will go if it's truly what you want. It's not a terrible place like the people who are jealous make it out to be. Not one bit. . I agree with this. But, just out of curiosity, how long did you stay in japan? ^^ If you want more information on the pros and cons, here are a few websites. http://www.jref.com/forum/japan-practical-2/what-pros-cons-living-working-japan-46925/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100701093940AAqxNTd ^^ I hope this helped to the person who made this topic. |
rodentqween99May 28, 2012 1:07 PM
AnnoKano said: NicoleB said: You could make a list like that for every country in the world. Perhaps the point then is that summarising a country into a list of pros and cons, or facts about the country in question cannot possibly provide an adequate picture of what it would actually be like to live there, and thus we should not only try and learn more about it for ourselves and perhaps try spending time in the country or with people of that country before making an absolute decision to move there. You can only know how somewhere is, by actually living there for a lengthy period of time. Naturally getting more knowledge before going is far and away the best idea and I somewhat agree with the people that recommend going on holiday/vacation there first is a better idea than just straight out moving there first. Even then that won't give you a complete picture of how its like to live anyway, a lot of liking a place simply comes down to luck, meeting people you enjoy the company of is a big part of that. |
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yourelagginme said: There's nothing more powerful than a dream. There are plenty of things more powerful than dreams. |
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NicoleB said: You can only know how somewhere is, by actually living there for a lengthy period of time. Naturally getting more knowledge before going is far and away the best idea and I somewhat agree with the people that recommend going on holiday/vacation there first is a better idea than just straight out moving there first. Even then that won't give you a complete picture of how its like to live anyway, a lot of liking a place simply comes down to luck, meeting people you enjoy the company of is a big part of that. I can't help but feel you are still missing the point of what I was doing by giving that huge list... But I don't know how I can make it any clearer. Scud said: yourelagginme said: There's nothing more powerful than a dream. There are plenty of things more powerful than dreams. Well played squire, well played. |
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yourelagginme said: There's nothing more powerful than a dream. Pretty sure money is a lot more powerful than a dream. And there's hardly enough of it to go around these days. |
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yourelagginme said: Wasabi said: yourelagginme said: There's nothing more powerful than a dream. Pretty sure money is a lot more powerful than a dream. And there's hardly enough of it to go around these days. Money is the byproduct of human aspiration and by extension dreams. Dreams create money. And yet people's dreams are continuously held down by money. |
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AnnoKano said: I can't help but feel you are still missing the point of what I was doing by giving that huge list... But I don't know how I can make it any clearer. It doesn't matter, as I said you can make those lists out of everywhere in the world, they are largely meaningless. There are hundreds and thousands of things that can happen to someone by moving aboard, worrying about them all is a waste of energy. |
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| I think people are forgetting that the Japanese aren't as xenophobic as they once were 5-10 years previously, so it's not too much of a bad thing anymore; the main problem is the police with foreigners. From my experience they seem more ready to come up to you and try their English with you, but of course they'd more readily go up to you if you can show you can speak Japanese too (except those that respond in English after you speak Japanese to). I don't know, from personal experience this is what I've found. It's an enjoyable place to be if you can get over the radiation from flying a plane to Japan and the general difficulty with police, although I must say it's a lot easier for a Caucasian than a black person when around the police, typically because they'll get a bit racist and assume you're an illegal immigrant and demand an alien registration card. |
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