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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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4 out of 5: Liked it
 
57 16.72%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
11 3.23%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
3 0.88%
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05-26-12, 8:26 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I am right now crying very hard for the end. I should have heeded the warnings about Kariya and the mother of Rin. It’s none other than the following,

TT_TT Kirei that SOB! I can't hate him but somehow there is this RAGE pileup at him for setting up Kariya.

On the other hand I cannot express my happiness while it was there at the following,

F YOU Zouken! You deserved this shit for feeding that worm and other ones on Sakura. Her innocence and all felt like it got avenged more with this. I need to cool down. The ending is so shocking my hands are shaking a little from the trauma that was so powerful. I FAILED! I never though such powerful feelings came out for Rin’s mother. However she was always a innocent victim. Rin's mother TT_TT Now she has no parents left.

About Aoi’s death and what leads up to it. There is nothing of more depressing in this episode and for that matter the worst possible sadness to have come as of this episode itself. The lost of a mother IS THE WORST SHIT! I can’t even stop the lingering feelings from piling up into a disgusting RAGE and destruction in terms of this event. The RAGE for the unfairness and shit Kirei makes Kariya go through this but the destruction is more towards Archer. GILGAMESH YOU COWARDS SHIT! In the spoiler
it’s all there to need to fuel up my reasons. Archer setup Kariya. What a NASTY SHIT!
I would love to kill him now. The killing intent will not go away. I want Archer dead so bad and fast for this shitty setup. No one in their right mind would ever accept this among the many other character deaths in this series. Aoi’s the most unfair and brutal.

That being said Kariya in the spoiler
already before anything had his motivations and doubts in that part leading up to him finding out Tokiomi. Kariya had a great outlook as he goes up to Tokiomi in the spoiler
however that leads up to a closer look and it leads up to what is the most gruesome surprise in the spoiler
Aoi got invited to the party. Speaking lightly sarcastically it was amazing that the Kariya here that we knew full of promising towards Aoi in good feelings along with his allegiance to protect Sakura now becomes in the spoiler
someone who freaks out.

So what follows exactly? PAIN! One the means before anything happens after Aoi freaks out is in the spoiler
simply put flashbacks of her. A very hard emotional roller coaster from her pleasant past. Until it leads up to the spoiler
Aoi is suddenly strangled. The expression on her face are a terrifying deep lump sadness and rage. Especially for the fact we are reminded the best part of Rin with her mother here. That really kicked emotionally as the choking and killing of Aoi progresses in the spoiler
there is nothing bu tears to fear to worst. AOI’S DEATH! Nothing more. The body is not moving OMG! The saliva running from her face. SHIT! No other screaming expressions may have been than those. While still being shocked of how the heck did Kariya suddenly outburst to pin down Aoi in the spoiler
guy freaked out totally at being accused of killing Tokiomi or so he is made to think. As it leads up to the last bit in the spoiler
I am left sad.

I will leave it that. Despite the Saber/Rider amazing confrontation I cannot find the time now to write of comment on it. Aoi’s death is making me be like that. It’s so powerful that it seems what happened in the episode before is MEANINGLESS. I shall leave it at that with a possible edit later.

BTW I leave a very dear Irisviel and Saber Stitches parts in the spoiler
with a Tokiomi of I guess how he would feel out in all this.
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05-26-12, 8:30 AM

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・・・。


gununu....
4/5 7/10
 
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05-26-12, 9:10 AM

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Decent. So glad that team Waver (and rider) makes it through one more week. Glorious visuals during the skirmish. Otherwise much of the rest was kind of dull. Though I did like the Kariya happenings.

Didnt understand the kirei kotomine and the older mage discussion nor what Gilgamesh was even planning with with him. The anime would be easier to follow and wrap my head around if it was more doing instead of talking so much.
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05-26-12, 9:12 AM

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The hunt is on! Saber trailing Rider's ass from the previous episode.





Waver: Hey Rider, how do we get back to town?
Rider: Well, I guess we walk.
Waver: Guess so.

lololol

Anyways great episode, especially the first half. I'm also sensing an Archer vs. Rider coming up soon.
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05-26-12, 9:13 AM

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Oh Kirei, you really loved watching Kariya suffer. Well, I don't care what happens to him to be honest, hopefully he will die soon. His intentions were noble but in that war, like Caster and Ryounuske, Berserker and Kariya were wild cards.

It seems next week the final battles will start.
 
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05-26-12, 9:27 AM

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27CansOfTuna said:
Decent. So glad that team Waver (and rider) makes it through one more week. Glorious visuals during the skirmish. Otherwise much of the rest was kind of dull. Though I did like the Kariya happenings.

Didnt understand the kirei kotomine and the older mage discussion nor what Gilgamesh was even planning with with him. The anime would be easier to follow and wrap my head around if it was more doing instead of talking so much.


What is hard to understand exactly? They like to see Kariya suffer.
 
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05-26-12, 9:38 AM

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pity they didn't meet up with Caster/Ryunosuke. They would have a fun time being sadistic together.
 
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05-26-12, 9:40 AM

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Perloo said:
27CansOfTuna said:
Didnt understand the kirei kotomine and the older mage discussion nor what Gilgamesh was even planning with with him. The anime would be easier to follow and wrap my head around if it was more doing instead of talking so much.


What is hard to understand exactly? They like to see Kariya suffer.

Zouken and Kirei anyway. It's not like Gil cares a bit about Kariya in particular; he was just a disposable (and apparently kind of average) source of entertainment Kirei came up with as part of their first big exercise in pleasure-seeking. Kind of like a bland pilot episode of a tv show or something.

Anyway, good episode (much better than the last few), and the rest of the episodes from here out should be good, so I'm looking forward to them.
 
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05-26-12, 9:43 AM

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That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements.
That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too.

And that's how they made Kerry find out about Kotomine. Less eventful than him putting two and two together in the Tohsaka place.
It was fun seeing him torment Byakuya though.

Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!"
The conversation with Zouken was missing something but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN.

Being Kariya is suffering. wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
That screaming was just...wow.

Oh man, next episode's title. And that preview.
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05-26-12, 9:58 AM

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I have never liked Gilgamesh in f/sn and I saw a lot good comments about him f/z.. guess he's still a sadist bastard that only enjoys seeking entertainment

Rider vs Gilgamesh for next episode(?)
 
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Both Rider and Saber were very epic. Who am I kidding? They are always epic.
 
05-26-12, 10:28 AM

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So, Kirei finds a soulmate in Zouken, though it doesn't appear like he rejoices in this discovery, which is understandable. It seems not even Kirei is a match for a man sadistic enough to take pleasure in his own son's misfortune.

Gilgamesh certainly brought it to the point with describing the current events as a play while pulling the strings behind the scenes. Kariya is a tragic hero at his finest: Misunderstood and mistreated until the end (?) killing the person he hold dearest.

Once again it shows what a despicable being Gilgamesh is, reducing humans to mere tools for his entertainment and dismissing the tragedy unfolding before his very eyes as a poor first attempt of his servant, because that's what Kirei is in the end, just another pawn in the game.

Which path will Kariya take from now on with both his nemesis and his love interest having met their demise? If he still can think rationally he will come to realize who the culprit is and will try to seek revenge. Then he and his servant would be on the same wavelenght at least.
 
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belatkuro said:
That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements.
That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too.
I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.
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Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!"
The conversation with Zouken was missing something
Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?
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but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN.
Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.

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Totentanz said:
Which path will Kariya take from now on with both his nemesis and his love interest having met their demise? If he still can think rationally he will come to realize who the culprit is and will try to seek revenge. Then he and his servant would be on the same wavelenght at least.


since there's isn't much time left till the end of the series, chances are he will be running in a self destruction mode til his demise......I really hope he can see lights at the very end, maybe in the form of a sign of gratitude from Sakura. He has already lost everything dear to him except her.
 
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@Yumekichi
Well, I'm sure they'll do something in the next episode, given the title so yeah.
 
05-26-12, 11:08 AM

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The scene with Kariya-Aoi was my favorite part in the LN. I didn't like it so much here, though. First of all, a lot of the background info is ignored (Aoi and Kariya's relationship most importantly). Also, in the LN, Kariya chokes Aoi in a fit of madness, NOT INTENTIONALLY!! Once he realizes what he's doing he flips out and stops. I have no idea why the hell they made it seem like he was doing it intentionally here.

It's also more obvious that Aoi is alive in the LN... Jeez, these guys at Ufotable must really hate Kariya.
 
05-26-12, 11:10 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:
belatkuro said:
That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements.
That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too.
I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.
belatkuro said:
Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!"
The conversation with Zouken was missing something
Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?
belatkuro said:
but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN.
Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.


it was missing a lot.Actually they cut the most important thing.Probably this will be like the 11 ep of the first season.

@LostHanyou

True even Ryuunusuke had more screen time(and a happy ending looking at it from a very twisted angle)
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well, he did come to his senses later, so pretty sure it's out of pure madness.
 
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HA. I told you it wasn't Rider who kidnapped Irisviel!

Well, just... Kariya. I don't have much to say, but he flippin' snapped there! And honestly I feel so terrible for what he's gone through. It'd be hard retaining your mental state with all that crap that he had to deal with. And making Aoi come, that's just pure evil. What Kirei was saying about the wine, he's saying about doing evil - he's liking it. Ugh. Hate that guy with every fiber of my being.

And Zouken, well, fuck him! Kirei and him should just go elope or something, on the grounds of their evilness.

Oh, also agree that I do NOT want to see Rider and Waver go... I just can't imagine them dying. My heart would break.

LAST THING: The animation during the motorcycle scene.... Man, I freaking drooled. A pile.
 
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ssjokg said:
Yumekichi11 said:
belatkuro said:
That chase. Compressed a lot of pages of Gen describing the V-Max and all its movements.
That said, I wished the chase was a bit longer. Saber finding a boulder ramp all of a sudden seems...sudden. It was thrilling nonetheless. And lots of eyecandy too.
I assume it will be MORE GLORIOUS in the BDs. Movement and SFX wise at least.
belatkuro said:
Oh Kirei. You and your trolling. The comments were all saying, "Rejoice Kariya!"
The conversation with Zouken was missing something
Obviously BDs will put more of that, right?
belatkuro said:
but eh, complaining will get me nowhere, though it will make the next episodes seems out of place if you haven't read the FSN VN.
Can someone PLEASE PUT THAT FROM THE LN! Thank you! I always read all your spoiler stuff in terms of that.


it was missing a lot.Actually they cut the most important thing.Probably this will be like the 11 ep of the first season.

@LostHanyou

True even Ryuunusuke had more screen time(and a happy ending looking at it from a very twisted angle)


Maybe those talking scene will be shown later...at least I hope so.

 
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