Fate/Zero 2nd Season Episode 7 Discussion
May 19, 2012 8:24 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
This episode was totally disgusting in terms of the following,
Poor poor Kariya! Berserker there was so brutal it’s amazing in the spoiler
Seriously I got totally sick at the worms! WTF in the spoiler
At least there was some Sakura in the spoiler
About the beginning, I find that seeing Irisviel here on that circle does kind prepare one to what may happen but it could never make anyone ready for the emotional toll it followed later. Kiritsugu here had quite a serious face and a a close up of it reveals that more. Irisviel’s face here showed a suffering side of her despite remaining not showing it too much. I know she is suffering and that is more than enough for me to see past her face that shows it not much. Inside the pain must be 10 times at least more. The more so when Kiritsugu and Irisviel here cuddle together. Maiya on the other hand does not like it from her expression here. She is concerned also it seems.
On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO in the spoiler
One of the other things that I was happy about is the following,
Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that.
About Waver, one thing that is interesting is a bird’s view of the area he is around and of Saber actually participating in this. However judging from her expression here, she is doubtful of Kiritsugu. I don’t blame her after she saw what he did to Lancer and his master. Waver had some comedy from the ways he does things in the spoiler
I find it nice to see Waver thinking about his Servant in the spoiler
About Maiya and Irisviel. One cannot deny that Maiya has feelings for Irisviel. That is shown with her face here while seeing Irisviel here suffering so much but now showing much of it. At least nor fully blown out. 2 things can be drawn from this.
A) Irisviel in the spoiler
B) Kiritsugu’s concern in the spoiler
Maiya’s shooting, now that is obvious in the spoiler
About Saber’s reaction towards the fatality of Maiya, it is to say of the least in the spoiler
About Kiritsugu and Maiya, the situation of the spoiler
What comes up next? OF COURSE! Saber VS Rider! Now that shall be EPIC! LET ME SEE NOW! -_– I know, another week wait. DAMN! Oh well.
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^thoughts and pics here.
Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse?
Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people.
I believe that's also a theme common to Fate/Stay Night. Especially notable since Fate route tries to explain why Kiritsugu ordered the destruction of the Grail and Shirou did the same.
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It's interesting to see how much alike these two women Kiritsugu has on his side truly are. Both are supporting him with all they have but in the end it's Kiritsugu himself who they are fighting for, not his ideals.
Irisviel is unable to comprehend his concepts as a homunculus, without having seen anything of the world that made her husband pursue his dream. Maya is only helping him because he is everything she can cling to.
Ultimately Kiritsugu is alone on his conquest to save the world even though it doesn't appear this way with these two on his side.
Speaking of Maya, her remark of being dead inside reminded me of both Kirei and Shiro, who also are "empty". While Kirei fills the emptiness within with the sadistic traits he becomes aware of, Shiro seeks to reach this goal by doing good deeds. Maya takes yet another approach by using a specific person, Kiritsugu, as a substitute for what she lacks.
Interestingly, it's his hard, unapproachable side that she seems to favour instead of the emotional one he showed her before her death, though that also may only be because that's the state when he is the least vulnerable ergo the most favourable for him to win the war.
On another note, just like Diarmud's curse, Iskandar's remorse when realizing that it was merely a dream, a fairytale many of his men died for, seems to be foreboding for what is yet to come...
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Big change here. Kerry wasn't suppose to go to Tohsaka mansion until after the kidnapping in the Emiya storehouse. But they have to speed up Kiritsugu's frantic searching afterwards I guess.
But mostly everything is the same and as great as the novels.
VMax time next episode. And more despair to go if I heard Kotomine correctly in the preview.
Another change was that Maiya called Kiritsugu before being taken out. In the novels, both Maiya and Kiritsugu took a strand of hair from each other and embedded into one of their fingers. Using magic to alert one of danger, if their own life was brought to a critical state. Atleast it was something along those lines iirc...
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