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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
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4 out of 5: Liked it
 
54 20.15%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
21 7.84%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
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05-19-12, 8:24 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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This episode was totally disgusting in terms of the following,

Poor poor Kariya! Berserker there was so brutal it’s amazing in the spoiler
I feared his form and truth during that part. There is none other than the amazing atmosphere in that part and colors to show Berserker true form. Moreover we can see his face in the spoiler
I am sure it looks at the very least full of hatred, rage and wrath.

Seriously I got totally sick at the worms! WTF in the spoiler
at that spitting out shit from Kariya’s mouth. That was puke dangerous. It’s like he is spitting out some shit he ate. That is sick shit! Moreover it was sick in the spoiler
just seeing the worms being inside of him and his body being transparent in seeing them.

At least there was some Sakura in the spoiler
poor her. Her eyes are totally changed!

About the beginning, I find that seeing Irisviel here on that circle does kind prepare one to what may happen but it could never make anyone ready for the emotional toll it followed later. Kiritsugu here had quite a serious face and a a close up of it reveals that more. Irisviel’s face here showed a suffering side of her despite remaining not showing it too much. I know she is suffering and that is more than enough for me to see past her face that shows it not much. Inside the pain must be 10 times at least more. The more so when Kiritsugu and Irisviel here cuddle together. Maiya on the other hand does not like it from her expression here. She is concerned also it seems.

On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO in the spoiler
He should have never removed despite the situation and Irisviel’s talk to him. Irisviel during that part was part suffering so bad that it hurts her fans. On the other hand her compassion and nice facials were nostalgic. It all translated into desperation.

One of the other things that I was happy about is the following,

Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that.

About Waver, one thing that is interesting is a bird’s view of the area he is around and of Saber actually participating in this. However judging from her expression here, she is doubtful of Kiritsugu. I don’t blame her after she saw what he did to Lancer and his master. Waver had some comedy from the ways he does things in the spoiler
that of picking out food and camping out. With little survival food as Bento and noodle soup he survives. I am assuming it’s due to Rider’s plans and doing them by himself. Waver is very hilarious in the sleeping-bag from how his face appears. However we have a problem in the spoiler
KIRITSUGU SNIPPING!
Now that was as much wild as nuts of him as usual. The gun is nicely done and shown.

I find it nice to see Waver thinking about his Servant in the spoiler
those certainly were fun times.

About Maiya and Irisviel. One cannot deny that Maiya has feelings for Irisviel. That is shown with her face here while seeing Irisviel here suffering so much but now showing much of it. At least nor fully blown out. 2 things can be drawn from this.

A) Irisviel in the spoiler
has some of the best poses there. I am sorry but I got a little lovestruck at the pose in the spoiler
oh IRISVIEL COME TO ME LIKE THAT! Screw the rest of the series. I shall SAVE YOU! It's like she is waiting for me there! I NEED.....*hits himself on the head*So in my head my fantasies got the best of me with that pose of her. Sadly it was only to turn off from the reality of this show on Irisviel. I must say that in the spoiler
the expression of Irisviel and Maiya are top notch in the top. They progressed to be more intense.

B) Kiritsugu’s concern in the spoiler
clearly he is seeing WTF is all this blood and analyzing what happened here. The way he acts around the dark area with the chair also shows his concern and alert.

Maiya’s shooting, now that is obvious in the spoiler
however based on Rider here, it’s obvious he killed her because she was in his way. Alexander The Great showing mercy? AHHAAHHAHAHHA NEVER! He would sexually abuse Maiya and be done with her IRL. Alexander after all showed no mercy and the women of his enemies were given out as objects to his men. Perhaps not much is written of it but his life and sexual privacy was never really said. He kept it to himself if any of those came out. Only way to know would have been to be there but I doubt he would allow anyone. He kept his love private a lot.

About Saber’s reaction towards the fatality of Maiya, it is to say of the least in the spoiler
that Saber had a very angry and unfair stance on all this. Her motorcycle raging spirit was seen quite well there. From her fast mounting to fast take off. She is thirsty for revenge it seems on that one. Grinding one’s teeth = Rage.

About Kiritsugu and Maiya, the situation of the spoiler
was emotional especially with Kiritsugu crying again in the spoiler
It’s amazing how much emotions the man does show yet we have seen him doing it twice. Once for Natalia and now Maiya.

What comes up next? OF COURSE! Saber VS Rider! Now that shall be EPIC! LET ME SEE NOW! -_– I know, another week wait. DAMN! Oh well.
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05-19-12, 8:46 AM

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Poor Maiya. They did a good job adapting her death from what happened in the novel...it's just as tragic as I remembeedr.
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05-19-12, 9:14 AM

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Kind of a dull episode. I dont understand why we are at 20 episodes in and still deeply developing characters, we already know so much about Kiritsugu that we need to know more? I did enjoy the time spent with Waver and his motivations, and Rider. But otherwise boring.

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05-19-12, 9:16 AM

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Well, good to see OP song again but not so good to see Irisviel's current state:


Also, great to see some Rider/Waver bonding and what they plan to do next:


But the one that really takes the cake this episode is that psycho Berserker as he live up to his name. Then of course, Rider makes his move...

Can't wait to see next.

Inb4 death match.
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05-19-12, 9:25 AM

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berserker so BAMF

poor maiya though :( liked her.
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05-19-12, 9:27 AM

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Kiritsugu has an uncanny ability for make women close to him die. Honestly, being a Kiritsugu is suffering.

As for Maiya's death... I don't care to be honest. She was just a living machine without a purpose in life.

Kerry, you really don't like Saber, do you?; "my puppet". Shirou would hate you if he heard that.
 
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05-19-12, 9:43 AM

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Still I prefer Kiritsugu as main char. Shiro was to idealistic and pacifistic
 
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Yumekichi11 said:
On the other hand Kiritsugu’s Avalon retrieval was not wise IMO. He should have never removed despite the situation and Irisviel’s talk to him.
It doesn't serve any tactical advantage to have Iri keep Avalon since she won't be moving anymore so she gave it to Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu will make good use of it in the battlefield.


Big change here. Kerry wasn't suppose to go to Tohsaka mansion until after the kidnapping in the Emiya storehouse. But they have to speed up Kiritsugu's frantic searching afterwards I guess.
But mostly everything is the same and as great as the novels.
Goodbye Maiya.
VMax time next episode. And more despair to go if I heard Kotomine correctly in the preview.
 
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05-19-12, 9:51 AM

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Yumekichi11 said:

Maiya what goes around comes around. PAY THE PRICE OF YOUR SINS! That’s what I was thinking. Maiya got her death well deserved despite having a shitty past. I can sympathize with her but I could never EVER NEVER FORGIVE for the killings she did on Lancer’s master and his wife. Never I could forgive that. Might edit later.

I think the one to blame is Kiritsugu, Maiya is just his tool.
Poor Maiya.
 
05-19-12, 10:04 AM

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I like the misdirection in this episode; it set up Irisviel's death thematically and symbolically and then killed off Maiya instead.
 
05-19-12, 10:16 AM

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TO ALL IDEALISTS: BEWARE!! YOUR FOLLOWERS MAY NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR IDEALS!

I don't believe this episode was about Kiritsugu in any way, it's about a clarification of Maiya and Irisivel's motivations.As Irisivel articulates and Maiya hints at, both really have no care for Kiritsugu's idealism, but care for Kiristsugu anyway because he holds the key to their dreams: Ilya's future and Maiya's purpose in life.

Hakuromatsu said:
I like the misdirection in this episode; it set up Irisviel's death thematically and symbolically and then killed off Maiya instead.


Similarly, the series as of yet set us up to believe Irisivel and Maiya are following Kiristugu's ideals and threw us this expected bombshell. Anyway, this episode was a bunch of contradictions. (1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...? (2) Kariya ingests Sakura's innocence, the very thing he fights to protect. (3) The quiet Berseker finally speaks and much more. Everything is keeping us on the edge. Loving it!
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http://animuthoughts.blogspot.com/2012/05/fatezero-episode-20.html
^thoughts and pics here.
Looking back on the whole thing, it's pretty amazing Waiver's outlasted Kayneth and Tokiomi. Yay dark horse?
Rider's little discussion with Waiver about the Holy Grail was pretty interesting; it may really just be a fake ideal that brings out the worst in people.
 
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I got a strange feeling that Archer may interfere at a crucial point in the next episode as the three did have a rendezvous season 1 about their purpose of the Holy Grail War and all that other good stuff.
 
05-19-12, 10:35 AM

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I never thought Maiya would die like this. D:
 
05-19-12, 10:41 AM

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Nachtwandler_21 said:
Still I prefer Kiritsugu as main char. Shiro was to idealistic and pacifistic

Yah, Kerry is a better main character than Shirou but that wasn't what I was saying. What I was trying to say is the difference between Kerry and Shirou when they treat the servants: for those who watched or read FSN we know that Shirou always treated Saber as a human while Kiritsugu treats her as a mere tool, a puppet.

But Maiya wasn't a tool too?; she only did what Kerry wanted regardless of how bad his orders were.
 
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s2012k1993 said:
(1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...?


Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P
 
05-19-12, 10:51 AM

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Wow, what a set-up for the next episode...

Yes, I believe that that man was definitely not Rider. They purposefully stressed the "rest until nightfall" so... well, I'm not sure. But I don't think Rider'd do that.

Maiya's death was kinda meh. Well, I never really liked her before (she kissed a married man!), so that's probably why.

And holy crap, Kariya's gonna fuck shit up.
 
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All about drama.

Saber vs Rider next.
 
05-19-12, 11:02 AM

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sallym613 said:
s2012k1993 said:
(1) Rider tells Waver he needs to rest until nightfall to fight Saber, yet, he runs off and kidnaps Irisivel...?


Appearances can be deceiving. That's all I'm going to say at this point :P

As I can see, the stuff cut out the paragraph about how Kirei instigate Kariya to make a suuden charge on Irisviel. Or am I misremembered?
 
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It's interesting to see how much alike these two women Kiritsugu has on his side truly are. Both are supporting him with all they have but in the end it's Kiritsugu himself who they are fighting for, not his ideals.

Irisviel is unable to comprehend his concepts as a homunculus, without having seen anything of the world that made her husband pursue his dream. Maya is only helping him because he is everything she can cling to.
Ultimately Kiritsugu is alone on his conquest to save the world even though it doesn't appear this way with these two on his side.

Speaking of Maya, her remark of being dead inside reminded me of both Kirei and Shiro, who also are "empty". While Kirei fills the emptiness within with the sadistic traits he becomes aware of, Shiro seeks to reach this goal by doing good deeds. Maya takes yet another approach by using a specific person, Kiritsugu, as a substitute for what she lacks.
Interestingly, it's his hard, unapproachable side that she seems to favour instead of the emotional one he showed her before her death, though that also may only be because that's the state when he is the least vulnerable ergo the most favourable for him to win the war.

On another note, just like Diarmud's curse, Iskandar's remorse when realizing that it was merely a dream, a fairytale many of his men died for, seems to be foreboding for what is yet to come...
 
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