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May 10, 2012 12:56 AM

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http://www.salon.com/2012/05/08/us_attack_kills_5_afghan_kids/

To quote the author: 'The way in which the U.S. media ignores such events speaks volumes about how we perceive them.'

I decided to share this article because I think the author pretty much sums up the US media's attitude towards the Afghan conflict and Muslim nations.
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May 10, 2012 1:59 AM

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pitilesscnsr said:
I decided to share this article because I think the author pretty much sums up the US media's attitude towards the Afghan conflict and Muslim nations.


It's not really just the Afghan conflict and Muslim nations, it's pretty much their attitude towards every country not on America's friends list.

Things like spreading this shit through the entire globe:

while keeping their own "problems" as low profile as they possibly could:
 
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May 10, 2012 2:46 AM

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USA waging psychological war on other countries? No way.
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May 10, 2012 3:11 AM

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The world can be a shitty place.

That video that Mouhappai posted was pretty disturbing, especially when that girl was beaten and the security guards just stood there and did nothing.

I just kept thinking of Edmund burkes quote;
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”


It seems they American people, in fact people around the world, will fight to keep thier right to download internet porn and films, but not to stop shit from happening, or help when it does.
 
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May 10, 2012 3:37 AM

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Kenatsu said:
Sometimes I wonder if US citizens ask themselves why some persons (bah, actually like half of the world lol) dislikes and hates his country so much

Nope, most of us either don't care or know that these people are too ignorant to look at their own countries history.
 
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Kenatsu said:
Sometimes I wonder if US citizens ask themselves why some persons (bah, actually like half of the world lol) dislikes and hates his country so much
dont blame the governments actions on the civilians, were not the ones making theses decisions, the ones that are are those evil monsters in the office and those brainwashed idiots in the army

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Kenatsu said:
Sometimes I wonder if US citizens ask themselves why some persons (bah, actually like half of the world lol) dislikes and hates his country so much


I've heard that this is just a misconception, I've heard from severeal different sources that not as many people hate the US as we think.

However, I hate the US just as much as I hate the military here. It's pointless and we're going to kill ourselves/everybody with our selfishness
 
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Thats sad


but seriously guys some people the middle east kills people a lot anyways so its not exactly a one sided thing. Its definitely more than 5 daily..
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May 10, 2012 4:09 AM

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People get killed in war. What else is new.

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May 10, 2012 4:16 AM

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pitilesscnsr said:
'The way in which the U.S. media ignores such events speaks volumes about how we perceive them.'

US media in a nutshell, they throw you what they want. Props to all americans with a bit of self-conscience *hi5*
 
May 10, 2012 5:12 AM

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Our mainstream news is mainly propaganda anyway. They don't show you that stuff because they want you to hate the Middle East, not sympathize with them.

Sure makes wartime easier for the politicians...
 
May 10, 2012 5:13 AM

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The whole world is evil and human beings are certainly evil. That will never change even though I wish it would. I guess that means I'm evil to an extent. Well, the Dalai Lama seems like a good guy (he even admits that he likes looking at girls from time to time.) What was the point of this post? Oh, well...
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May 10, 2012 5:23 AM

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Narmy said:
Our mainstream news is mainly propaganda anyway. They don't show you that stuff because they want you to hate the Middle East, not sympathize with them.

Sure makes wartime easier for the politicians...
Bit of an exaggeration. They still mention things time to time. I dont think that its them trying to make you hate them but they do half ass stories all the time and dont really make any effort to mention other stuff because they dont think people care and dont think it sells well. They are just trying to draw in an audience
 
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Narmy said:
Our mainstream news is mainly propaganda anyway. They don't show you that stuff because they want you to hate the Middle East, not sympathize with them.

Sure makes wartime easier for the politicians...


It's psychology 101, you degrade your enemy to appear less then what they really are, so you can feel more comfortable in doing things that are less moral. Americans aren't killing men, women, and children. We are killing insurgents and terrorists.


 
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Eh, this was just collateral damage though, pretty hard to prevent that (Except GTFO of A-stan of course). And it isn't made easier when you have no way of controlling the movement of civvies.
Good points in the article though, there's no doubt that the media plays a huge role in lulling the public into a feeling of false moral superiority.
prismheart said:
The whole world is evil and human beings are certainly evil.
Derp. Define "evil".

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May 10, 2012 6:18 AM

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Baman said:
prismheart said:
The whole world is evil and human beings are certainly evil.
Derp. Define "evil".


Evil is the violation of, or intent to violate, some moral code. - from wiki


 
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Synrite said:
Baman said:
prismheart said:
The whole world is evil and human beings are certainly evil.
Derp. Define "evil".


Evil is the violation of, or intent to violate, some moral code. - from wiki


Then he asks you to define morality, and then moves on to further prove morality is a subjective thing, hence 'evil' does not exist except in the mind.

Derp


But, I always counter with ok, but if I cut you is that not a bad thing? Ok you may even enjoy it on a perverse level, but your body works to heal it and if it's bad you try to protect it from the elements etc.

I simple try to put forward the idea that evil is an act that is coherently an idea about purposefully causing someone else other than yourself pain, discomfort or ill health, and getting some satisfaction off that because of a perverted thought pattern in your head.
 
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pitilesscnsr said:

To quote the author: 'The way in which the U.S. media ignores such events speaks volumes about how we perceive them.'
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AbaraUnfettered said:
People get killed in war. What else is new.



so war justifies mutilation of prisoner's genitals
pissing on and desecrating corpses
and rape?
idk what you are smoking
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BloodRequiem said:
so war justifies mutilation of prisoner's genitals
pissing on and desecrating corpses
and rape?


War justifies nothing. Nothing justifies war.
All I'm saying is that people getting killed in war is nothing new. War is all about killing after all.
I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying that it happens. And it will continue to happen. Forever.
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stuff


 
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Alpha-kudasu said:
Then he asks you to define morality, and then moves on to further prove morality is a subjective thing, hence 'evil' does not exist except in the mind.
Yep, you know the drill.
AbaraUnfettered said:
All I'm saying is that people getting killed in war is nothing new. War is all about killing after all.
Eeh, wars are about some sort of material gain though, killing is just the means to an end, and most times both sides would rather keep it to a minimum if possible.

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Baman said:
Eeh, wars are about some sort of material gain though, killing is just the means to an end, and most times both sides would rather keep it to a minimum if possible.


Meh. The end result is the same. People get killed.
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AbaraUnfettered said:
Baman said:
Eeh, wars are about some sort of material gain though, killing is just the means to an end, and most times both sides would rather keep it to a minimum if possible.


Meh. The end result is the same. People get killed.


People die all the time, you know in today's wars they die a lot quicker and painless deaths than wars fought before. And what a person can do to another under conditions, like rape and torture is not limited to war zones.
 
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Alpha-kudasu said:
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I try not to be creeped out by your avatar, but it's no use.
 
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Alpha-kudasu said:
People die all the time, you know in today's wars they die a lot quicker and painless deaths than wars fought before. And what a person can do to another under conditions, like rape and torture is not limited to war zones.

That's true. We've gotten much better at killing people.
Progress!

Hey, I'm still not saying it's good or bad. On top of being a moral nihilist I'm a libertine and a sexual sadist. I hardly have the "right" to judge, eh?

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I try not to be creeped out by your avatar, but it's no use.

I like creepy.
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AbaraUnfettered said:

That's true. We've gotten much better at killing people.
Progress!



I'd prefer a bullet to the head than an axe. But then I'd rather have neither.

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On top of being a moral nihilist I'm a libertine and a sexual sadist.
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So deep and edgy man.
 
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Alpha-kudasu said:
People die all the time, you know in today's wars they die a lot quicker and painless deaths than wars fought before. And what a person can do to another under conditions, like rape and torture is not limited to war zones.


Is that seriously a justification? The potential years or decades of life, happy and sad events, and personal development a person leads before a death of disease or cancer at an old age - all of that can just be wiped out in a surprise attack during a war. That may not mean anything to you but to me it does.
 
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AbaraUnfettered said:
On top of being a moral nihilist I'm a libertine and a sexual sadist.


lol
 
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That may not mean anything to you but to me it does.


'You' being the key word here. I'm not stating a personal opinion. I'm making factual assertions based on real happenings.

Like and dislike are all personally subjective.

You do realise some people like war, like killing, like raping and like torchering people. Ask them if you can find someone who is willing to talk to you about their justifications into why and how they justify what they do.

And FYI, the war that's being fought now is for Oil, that's for you to run your car and house and internet. That's the price you and everyone else pays, blood is the price a nation pays. That's all the justification people need, it's certainly all the justification governments need.
 
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Alpha-kudasu said:
But then I'd rather have neither.


And that's rather the point here, no? Killing is killing. A less painful death is arguably better but it won't matter much to you when it's over either way.


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So deep and edgy man.


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Baman said:
prismheart said:
The whole world is evil and human beings are certainly evil.
Derp. Define "evil".

I thought I was a ghost and everything I post people would look over. Yeah, evil is subjective, I was just stating an opinion on the matter... not that anyone cares what I think anyway.
 
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Narmy said:
Our mainstream news is mainly propaganda anyway. They don't show you that stuff because they want you to hate the Middle East, not sympathize with them.

Sure makes wartime easier for the politicians...


It's psychology 101, you degrade your enemy to appear less then what they really are, so you can feel more comfortable in doing things that are less moral. Americans aren't killing men, women, and children. We are killing insurgents and terrorists.


Ha ha
 
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pitilesscnsr said:
'The way in which the U.S. media ignores such events speaks volumes about how we perceive them.'

US media in a nutshell, they throw you what they want. Props to all americans with a bit of self-conscience *hi5*

fixed

If you think media in the US is the only one that does this kind of horrid stuff then you are wrong. This kind of stuff happens with media in general in many countries around the world.


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AbaraUnfettered said:
People get killed in war. What else is new.



so war justifies mutilation of prisoner's genitals
pissing on and desecrating corpses
and rape?
idk what you are smoking



No, war justifies nothing. However you have to expect this kind of thing from war. If you think war is just a simple thing as countries fighting each other you are mistaken. This is the true face of war. Not just killing but desecrating of corpse, rape, torture etc. Get used to it because war has always been something us humans excel at and have been doing for thousands of years.

Again I'm not saying that this isn't wrong. I'm appalled by it and disgusted. However, it is just one of the sad things that war brings. I have no control of what happens nor do the possible millions of citizens who think the same way. The government is making all the decisions regarding war. I'm just living in this country.
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Who Cares Bro, We Americans Love Killing, Don't Blame Us.
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Ha ha


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Just To Prove My Point, Our Army Is Overwhelming For Some Reason.
It's For Blood Sake.
 
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Just To Prove My Point, Our Army Is Overwhelming For Some Reason.
It's For Blood Sake.


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Who Cares Bro, We Americans Love Killing, Don't Blame Us.
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You're Turn Will Be Soon :D

Is everything you say a title? You don't capitalize everything in a sentence. Also, this is not how most American's think so don't quote this guy for your American hate posts.
 
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Head over to purevolume to check out the latest effort from edgy punk outfit Zaxos, 'Who Cares Bro, We Americans Love Killing, Don't Blame Us'.
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Who Cares Bro, We Americans Love Killing, Don't Blame Us.
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You're Turn Will Be Soon :D

Is everything you say a title? You don't capitalize everything in a sentence. Also, this is not how most American's think so don't quote this guy for your American hate posts.

I'm American :3
 
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I'm American :3

Guess what? Nobody cares!
Go back to your ecchi and hentai thread and come back when you can have an intelligent conversation.
 
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The media is first and foremost a business. As such, they typically report things that will get them ratings, or that they think America wants to hear. Is it suprising atrocities committed by our military don't get the same airtime as atrocities committed by others? I don't see why it should be and if I had to guess, I'd wager this is an attitude seen in media worldwide.

 
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Then he asks you to define morality, and then moves on to further prove morality is a subjective thing, hence 'evil' does not exist except in the mind.
Yep, you know the drill.
AbaraUnfettered said:
All I'm saying is that people getting killed in war is nothing new. War is all about killing after all.
Eeh, wars are about some sort of material gain though, killing is just the means to an end, and most times both sides would rather keep it to a minimum if possible.


Sadly we're not even getting anything out of this war. No new territory, no money, no oil (Do they even have oil in Afghanistan?), and we can't sell the opium over there. Honestly, when the return on investment is a bunch of coffins filled with American soldiers who are dying for a bunch of people who aren't even American citizens I don't see much of a reason anyone could support this war.

On a side note, I love these sensationalist titles because they fail to mention the amount of people the Taliban kills.

Like so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/world/asia/taliban-kill-afghan-education-officials-in-ambush.html
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just as Emiya Kiritsugu said,
there is no honor and chivalry in battlefield. battlefield is hell itself.
victory and pride obtain by the victor is paid by pain and suffering of the defeat
 
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On a side note, I love these sensationalist titles because they fail to mention the amount of people the Taliban kills.

Like so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/world/asia/taliban-kill-afghan-education-officials-in-ambush.html

What does the Taliban have to do with this story?
 
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Narmy said:
jrgcool35 said:
On a side note, I love these sensationalist titles because they fail to mention the amount of people the Taliban kills.

Like so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/world/asia/taliban-kill-afghan-education-officials-in-ambush.html

What does the Taliban have to do with this story?


It's simply the fact that nobody ever mentions the Taliban killing people in Afghanistan and they makes it seem like the US is running around there and killing civilians at whim.
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jrgcool35 said:
Narmy said:
jrgcool35 said:
On a side note, I love these sensationalist titles because they fail to mention the amount of people the Taliban kills.

Like so:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/world/asia/taliban-kill-afghan-education-officials-in-ambush.html

What does the Taliban have to do with this story?

It's simply the fact that nobody ever mentions the Taliban killing people in Afghanistan and they makes it seem like the US is running around there and killing civilians at whim.

So you want every story of US killings accompanied by a tally of Taliban killings? What about vice-versa?
 
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