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Roughly 90% of muslims are the same branch of islam so whats that have to do with?


Culturally isolated not isolated I meant. Its not that they arent exposed to other cultures its that they freak out over it too often.

Someone saying what everyone else is afraid to say. Good job.

Well, They Call It "Head For Head.".
If I Killed Your Family, Would You Leave Me To Be?
Obv. No... Muslims In Afghanistan Are Getting Torched, Since They Can Respond Somewhere Else..
So Why Not? It's A Chance.
I See That Muslims Did Nothing Wrong.

^Im guessing youve never heard the expression an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind

Still, I Would Not Blame Someone For Revenging.
In The First Place, The One Who Starts The BS Deserves Getting Killed.

Zaxos, that's an awfully primitive attitude.

No.
As I Said, "WHY DID THEY EVEN START IT."
You Tell Me.

Exactly, your fixation with 'who started it' is the problem here.

For You, If I Killed Your Parents, How Will It Be?

-Meh: Oh Bro, I Killed Your Parents, Just In-case, I Wanted To Inform You.
-You: Thanks Man, You Made My Day :D.

So This Is How Will It Be?

Yep, you nailed it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

Strange, a majority of Christians belong to one sect too. Up to 80% of Christians belong to just 2 sects, I guess that means Christianity can't be diverse huh?

Many Christians live in open societies filled with information yet they flip out over issues like gay marriage, abortion, and prostitution. Hell, Bush even stated that its "Gods" mission to go to Iraq. Abortion clinics have been blown up and gays are unfairly treated. Christianity can also be manipulated but you don't see me blaming the religion itself (whose basic commandments are peaceful).



Come on now, why do you insist on blaming the religion when it's manipulated to fit a politicians agenda. It took Christianity nearly 2000 years to get to where it is today. By saying that Islam is the worst of the Abrahamic religions is to be blatantly ignoring history. It may be the percieved to be the least developed today but that is due to constant turmoil and faulty leadership, western intervention, and a lack of education. It little to do with the religion itself (whose 5 pillars advocate peace). Considering the 600 year gap I would say its progressed faster than Christianity has (but that has to do with technology available at the time and not either religion).




Cool story. I've met some crazy people from all sorts of different backgrounds and I've met great people who are from those same backgrounds.

You mention wars being fought in the name of Islam. Name me a few and I can guarantee you that Islam was manipulated to fit that leaders real agenda (wealth, land, more power). Like I mentioned earlier Christianity has been used as a tool to justify war too when it was really for other reasons such as oil. Not the religions fault, just the followers. Islam is especially easy to manipulate because of the current situation in the Middle East but I wonder whose fault that was?

The Quran and Bible can be very violent based on how you interpret them. When you have theocrat leaders who want to maintain power its not hard to see why the books can be falsly interpreted.

On that note: Stop acting that you are surprised to see people calling you a bigot when you called an entire belief system poisonous. If you didn't want that to happen you should of at least used a euphemism.

I think people like traed is much like "I rather be stupid and ignorant than be too smart and people hated me for that". No offense intended to traed and other people who agree with him. Just my personal response.

I think people like NK_500 who lack even basic grammatical skills to tell the difference between "is" and "are" and leave one sentence replies on threads like this in attempt to not say too much before their true level of idiocy shows and exposes their own inadequacies which cause them to misjudge people just because they dont understand what they are talking about, hardly qualifies as a creditable source of commentary and judgment. No offense intended NK_500 and other people who agree with him. Just personal response.

NK_500 out

Okay so let me get this straight youre using wikipedia as your source of "creditable" statistics and it doesnt even give a percentage so you expect me to ad it up.

youre using the US as your only example despite it being a religion that is just as dense all over the world and youre using the worst president in history as your only example. The religion is the excuse used. Its always the excuse.


You also fail to notice I dont even like christianity so you fail to see i have no reason to defend it so thee is no biased opinion.


because its used as a scapegoat and the most hateful forms of the religion are most accurate to what it originally was anyways. Just because a religion claims to be peaceful doesnt mean its peaceful thats just their sales pitch.




Thats the whole point. Religion causes the extremism that is needed to control the mases. Thats why it was made in the first place.

Bigotry is to people not objects. Stop acting like a religion is a person with feelings. I guess by your logic I shouldnt criticize the KKK and the Westbro Baptist Church either because they are a christian organization with a belief system huh? Might hurt Christians feelings. I bet youre the kind of person who loves using the No True Scotsman fallacy. "Oh it wasnt a true christian who did that they arent christian" "Oh it wasnt a true muslim who did that they arent muslim". Its not the entire religion just every part of it that is bullshit manipulation and hate mongering. You completely failed to see thats what i was saying. There is no reason to protect a corrupt belief system from criticism, people like you are what prevents it from evolving into something better because you keep using apologetics to make excuses for their negative actions and acting as if religion has nothing to do with it.

You don't think wikipedia is credible... come on. Also I'm not expecting you to add anything up. Just use common sense and you will see that 1.2 billion and 675 million make up over 70-80 percent of Christianity. I used Bush and the US as an excuse because it is often the most extreme leaders who will use religion to achieve their goals. You never see a rational person warp religion to achieve their goal. I used those examples intentionally. Religion is used as the excuse because it is easily distorted. Nationalism is easy to manipulate too. That is why leaders will often use it to achieve their goals. Religion is the excuse but rarely is ever the real agenda.





Anything can be used as a scapegoat. I am unsure of the validity of the 2nd sentence here, please cite something for it. We didn't see the crusaders until a Pope managed to trick people into fighting for the holy land (the real intention was to get more land). Religion is an idea, how people choose to practice it determines if they are peaceful or not. Seeing as how most people who practice Christianity/Islam and Judiasm are not bloodthirsty murderers then I would say that religion has generally suceeded in its sales pitch.




Every idea to the extreme can be used to control the masses. Be it religion, right wing government, or nationalism. I don't doubt why that was the reason religion was made in the first place but I would like you to cite this.

I concede this point, you are correct you are not a bigot but you strike me as a militant atheist. Even you have to see that religion is not all bad. It has its ups and downs.
I never told you not to criticize the KKK or Westbro Baptist Church. I criticize terrorism but you have to understand that it is a very warped version of what Islam really is. Just like the other two. Should the KKK represent all of Christianity just because they represent a small percent of hating Christians? If you think that the KKK represents the ideals of Christianity then its your problem.
You clearly stated the "Islam is a poisonous religion that distorts peoples minds" you were refering to the religion as a whole not just he manipulation and hate mongering. At the core the belief system is not all that corrupt. People corrupt it themselves. If you want to fix anything then we have to give people a reason not to look to religion for everything. People misinterpret it (what a surprise too, it's almost always done in less educated countries).

I am not defending a corrupt belief system. People like you use nut jobs to represent a whole group. Just because an Al-Queda member is Muslim and commits an act of terrorism it doesn't mean he represents the ideals of Islam.

I won't deny that religion halts progress and is easily manipulative. In fact I've already stated these facts before. But it also has its benefits and gives some people a reason to be moral/law abiding (I say "some" because not everyone needs religion to be a moral or law-abiding). Religion does not evolve. People become educated and stop focusing on religion. If you want to fix religous extremism then focus on educating the people instead of trying to change religion itself.

Im not a militant atheist. Im not even an atheist Im more of an agnostic whos semi theistic semi atheistic it determines my theory i run on at the time. A militant atheist is someone who thinks all religion should be exterminated. I dont really think it should be, i just think it should get with the times and if it doesnt i think those kinds of religions would be better off gone but not like there is a way to really make them go away aside from educating people about the harms of them. I even earlier mentioned I like Sufism some which is partially a branch of Islam although its technically its own religion since its not all muslims. There are probably other branches of islam i find okay but their numbers are probably to small to have significance. I would comment on Bahai Faith but muslims dont consider that a part of islam, which is right since its own religion branching off of Islam.


Im not using nut jobs to represent the whole group. My real point was that Islam seems to have a higher level of extremes in general even the non extremists go kind of far sometimes. The ones that are really layed back usually werent born into the religion or simply reject it but just keep it for cultural reasons.
I just dont always explain myself the most clear of ways.

Fair enough. I only assumed you were from the previous posts you made (not like its a bad thing). I actually agree but it is impossible to change the religion. I find it would possibly have been better if their was one unverisal religion with no branches or no religion at all to prevent fanatics from manipulating it.

You are right. They are as different from Islam as can be. The difference is possibly greater than that of a Mormon to a Catholic. But I don't really judge either way.

I agree that religous extremism is probably most documented from people from Islamic countires in the modern age. But it has a lot more to do with contempt to the West considering their troops are all over the Middle East, support Israel, forcing in crazy leaders, and have been exploiting them for resources for a while now. I think it is deeper than just ideals like "they hate our freedom/way of life/religion".

The 2nd to last setence pretty much describes me now. I haven't practiced the 5 pillars for quite some time lol.

Don't worry about it, I re-read the posts and it made sense. If you want to discuss this anytime then just add me. Sorry that I can't talk anymore today, college finals coming up :(

I believe Indonesia is where considerable evolution of the Islamic faith will be seen (and has been) as we move forward. Indonesia is 80+% Muslim as it stands and has either the 2nd or 3rd largest population of Muslims, run a republic style government, and even have a Shi-Sunni council put together, not to mention a fairly stable economy. They currently have a gender equality bill as well in legislation although I do not know the odds of it passing. They have problems naturally, corruption and the likes, but it's a far more favorable situation than the Middle east/African countries. Not to say there are not still religious problems, because there are, and that's going to happen anywhere. They are typically less militantly minded though. The differences between Islamic countries certainly shows an issue with culture/tradition rather than it being the religion itself.