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05-19-12, 6:06 AM

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Yuu isn't dead. There's nothing supernatural about this manga. It's a depiction of the streets, that's kind of the point.

I think that just because he helped the guy on the street doesn't mean he can't be doing other things at the same time. He might be working to go pro as well, but then acts as a protector on the side. I mean, he can't just be a protector, you can't make a living off that, and he's a highschool drop out so it would be difficult for him to get a proper job.

I think he might have been doing as he said, going to different gyms and learning from them before going properly pro.
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05-19-12, 6:24 AM

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zenron said:
Yuu isn't dead. There's nothing supernatural about this manga. It's a depiction of the streets, that's kind of the point.

I think that just because he helped the guy on the street doesn't mean he can't be doing other things at the same time. He might be working to go pro as well, but then acts as a protector on the side. I mean, he can't just be a protector, you can't make a living off that, and he's a highschool drop out so it would be difficult for him to get a proper job.

I think he might have been doing as he said, going to different gyms and learning from them before going properly pro.


That seems very unreasonable, in the 3 year span if he wanted to go pro, he would be there, at the very least he would be at the stadium watching the fight. It is more likely he has some sort of small, but stable job and is a protector/overseer of the streets.


 
05-19-12, 7:21 AM

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I hoped Shougo would go out (from prison?) and main 3 be together again. Anyway, it was worth to read.
 
05-20-12, 3:38 PM

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Great manga glad I read this is this in english at all?

Finally after four years lol.
 
05-21-12, 5:31 AM

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konpachi said:
Nah he wasnt a ghost, this is a realistic manga. For a bit I wasnt sure either, but what ghosts have stitches? I think he just wanted to disappear off the street and help others like himself. The way they talked was a bit odd, but it can be taken as he couldnt be there with them physically. Plus, his girlfriend looks like shes waiting for someone (as already said).


Whew I never noticed the stitches


 
05-22-12, 4:30 AM

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I hoped Shougo would go out (from prison?) and main 3 be together again. Anyway, it was worth to read.

Guess hoping for a reunion was a bit too much.
Never the less, an amazing story.
 
05-23-12, 10:41 AM

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I read the whole thing in <24 hours. Kept reading till the wee morning hours because I couldn't sleep because of the excitement. I can't help feeling the ending was a bit rushed, but thankfully it isn't anything criminally bad. Awesome manga.

The people who wrote the summary that appears in all the descriptions of it everywhere should be shot, though.
 
05-24-12, 11:38 AM

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I thought Yuu would move on like Izawa did and the two meet in the finals of the championship match, but I guess that would've been too shonen. XD
I guess he decided to stay and be the guide to the lost souls, and being a sort of vigilance control of the streets so nothing goes over the line. (I wonder what his daytime job would be though.)

All in all, that was a great series.


you sure he wasnt a ghost?

tho Mai seemed like she was waiting for someone


I agree too, and also one more thing, from the beggining the text of holyland (what I mean that text that begins "Between the adult world...") is in past tense, especialy "He was, without a doubt, there", I mean "He was", that is past tense. It is sad, very sad for everyone, especialy Mai.
 
05-24-12, 11:41 AM

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konpachi said:
Nah he wasnt a ghost, this is a realistic manga. For a bit I wasnt sure either, but what ghosts have stitches? I think he just wanted to disappear off the street and help others like himself. The way they talked was a bit odd, but it can be taken as he couldnt be there with them physically. Plus, his girlfriend looks like shes waiting for someone (as already said).


Where have you seen that he have stitches at the end ?
 
05-24-12, 12:04 PM

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konpachi said:
Nah he wasnt a ghost, this is a realistic manga. For a bit I wasnt sure either, but what ghosts have stitches? I think he just wanted to disappear off the street and help others like himself. The way they talked was a bit odd, but it can be taken as he couldnt be there with them physically. Plus, his girlfriend looks like shes waiting for someone (as already said).


Where have you seen that he have stitches at the end ?


My bad, I wasn't looking hard enough, he had stitches, but it is strange.

I mean when they had talked with Masaki before fight it was sad atmosphere, I mean why he wouldn't be there with Mai to watch the fight, it was his close friend and Mai's older brother, I mean fucking champion match. Also why was it kicboxing, Masaki was better in boxing, Yuu was kickboxer, like Masaki choose that because Yuu couldn't (I mean if he is dead). Again also why was Mai looking on the clock with sad expresion, or why was she not out on here brother's match, maybe because fighting would remind here too much of Yuu.
 
05-24-12, 12:19 PM

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But stitches, and also Yuu didn't want to hurt hands (because thugs would just unnecessarily get beaten up, or beacuse he is a pro now), but why they wouldn't be looking the match, and Mai was waiting (but for what ?, fuuuuuuuuuuuck), fucking Kouji Mori, but I hope that he is alive.
 
05-24-12, 12:29 PM

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In the beginning it seems like he is dead but towards the end like he is alive, that must have been Kouji Mori intention, but he put in that way so we may choose depending on our's personality, but I am always optimistic, so way would I be different now.

I THINK THAT HE IS ALIVE !
 
05-31-12, 7:09 PM

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Great manga. Yuu is still alive and kicking.
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06-12-12, 12:53 AM

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Yuu is very much alive, here's the breakdown:

-The guy who stabbed his was a wimp, he couldn't have done much damage and Yuu was able to kick the knife out of his hand immediately after plus he got up and walked all the way to the open street.

- Masaki's match already ended when Yuu appears as you can see two girls talking about it in page 14 and one of them tells the other she taped it.

- Still on page 14 you can see Mai standing and looking at her watch, she looks like she's waiting for someone but more importantly notice the direction she's facing, then look at the panel right underneath where Yuu is walking towards Mai from the opposite direction.

- Yuu is 'white' because he no longer wears black clothing which he used as camouflage before, he's already graduated from the streets and instead of beating those thugs up he just scared them away, he doesn't need to wear black for an advantage as he's that good + it signifies how he went from the dark and low place he was in to a brighter one with so many friends by his side.

- You can clearly see his scar with stitch marks in page 20, what's a ghost doing beating thugs with stitch marks on his side? The manga doesn't really lean to supernatural.

In fact it has always had him come back after a defeat, the tone overall is a very optimistic one. This chapter especially was all good news as all the bad guys are defeated, Midorikawa gets released, Masaki is champion etc the author was being creative and wanted to end it by making people worry, but my conclusion based on all the previous evidence & the overall tone of the manga leads me to believe that Yuu was very much alive in this last chapter.

- Finally, Yuu couldn't possibly have kept doing his old routine for those 3 years anymore, he was going to meet Mai and chanced on the thugs, quickly dealt with it then went to her.

Perhaps he isn't with his friends in the ring being pro because he's doing what Masaki used to? i.e. waiting for someone to take his place? That's weakened by the fact that people were talking about his legend and mixing him with other people etc but still..

I like happy endings so that's what happened either way but come on guys, there is too much evidence that he is alive, how could you conclude he died instead:?

anyway you interpret this ending, I think it was a rush job or at least not properly executed, tbh that stabbing felt like an attempt to make things more interesting as the fights were getting stale towards the end, I mean Yuu was already a beast and his fight with Masaki wasn't as exciting as the others.

This in addition to another gripe I've had from the moment Mai showed up; the story could've been improved a lot by having a solid romance going on even as a side show, but she appears then disappears for months and it's like she never left, they get closer then kind of forget about each other etc, this is difficult to put to words but the romance bits left me unsatisfied.

But despite all that, those are just minor points, this manga is really awesome in the end, I couldn't stop grinning whenever Yuu improvised like when he kicked Taka or when Midorikawa went all ""dark arts" on his opponent, it's a good read and I'd recommend it to anyone.
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07-11-12, 7:53 AM

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I don't know what it was about this manga, but i swear it the most additive one I've ever read.

I finished it in less than 2 days, even when i wasn't reading it i was always wondering what was going to happen next.

Its not like i thought it was the most amazing or entertaining one I've ever read, but i just couldn't stop reading it.
 
08-01-12, 4:59 PM

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Kamishiro Yuu is alive.

I think he became the new Masaki in the streets in a good way though. Without the yakuza deals and helping the weak from bullies.

I don't know what to say but I do know that I won't get over this manga in a while. And I'm satisfied with this ending. 9/10
 
08-05-12, 3:21 AM

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This manga was great, the ending was the biggest troll ever, for a while I just had my mouth open because I thought that yuu was actually dead from the way they were talking about him. I'm so glad he lived. I give this manga a 10
 
09-02-12, 6:17 PM

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Yuu is very much alive, here's the breakdown:

-The guy who stabbed his was a wimp, he couldn't have done much damage and Yuu was able to kick the knife out of his hand immediately after plus he got up and walked all the way to the open street.

- Masaki's match already ended when Yuu appears as you can see two girls talking about it in page 14 and one of them tells the other she taped it.

- Still on page 14 you can see Mai standing and looking at her watch, she looks like she's waiting for someone but more importantly notice the direction she's facing, then look at the panel right underneath where Yuu is walking towards Mai from the opposite direction.

- Yuu is 'white' because he no longer wears black clothing which he used as camouflage before, he's already graduated from the streets and instead of beating those thugs up he just scared them away, he doesn't need to wear black for an advantage as he's that good + it signifies how he went from the dark and low place he was in to a brighter one with so many friends by his side.

- You can clearly see his scar with stitch marks in page 20, what's a ghost doing beating thugs with stitch marks on his side? The manga doesn't really lean to supernatural.

In fact it has always had him come back after a defeat, the tone overall is a very optimistic one. This chapter especially was all good news as all the bad guys are defeated, Midorikawa gets released, Masaki is champion etc the author was being creative and wanted to end it by making people worry, but my conclusion based on all the previous evidence & the overall tone of the manga leads me to believe that Yuu was very much alive in this last chapter.

- Finally, Yuu couldn't possibly have kept doing his old routine for those 3 years anymore, he was going to meet Mai and chanced on the thugs, quickly dealt with it then went to her.

Perhaps he isn't with his friends in the ring being pro because he's doing what Masaki used to? i.e. waiting for someone to take his place? That's weakened by the fact that people were talking about his legend and mixing him with other people etc but still..

I like happy endings so that's what happened either way but come on guys, there is too much evidence that he is alive, how could you conclude he died instead:?

anyway you interpret this ending, I think it was a rush job or at least not properly executed, tbh that stabbing felt like an attempt to make things more interesting as the fights were getting stale towards the end, I mean Yuu was already a beast and his fight with Masaki wasn't as exciting as the others.

This in addition to another gripe I've had from the moment Mai showed up; the story could've been improved a lot by having a solid romance going on even as a side show, but she appears then disappears for months and it's like she never left, they get closer then kind of forget about each other etc, this is difficult to put to words but the romance bits left me unsatisfied.

But despite all that, those are just minor points, this manga is really awesome in the end, I couldn't stop grinning whenever Yuu improvised like when he kicked Taka or when Midorikawa went all ""dark arts" on his opponent, it's a good read and I'd recommend it to anyone.


*Applaud*
 
10-04-12, 7:59 AM

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Just wanted to share my point of view, I've written it in another forum:

Come on people, lets be realistic. For a work of fiction, the manga has been as truthful as it can while keeping the entertainment, there is no point in going supernatural at the end. White clothes and hair, halos...seriously. It's lightning effects people, just to add a dramatic effect. Of course he will look bright, when there is stong light behind him. Kamishiro stopped wearing black clothes, because he evolved as a person, he wasn't afraid and didn't need to use the shadows anymore. Probably his friends didn't seen him and each other for a long time, because they entered the adult world and followed their own paths. It happens when you finish school, you get in the chaos and time passes fast, you don't see some friends for years. Kamishiro came back to town from his personal journey, that made him stronger and wiser, so he can see how much his friends have grown, Midorikawa getting released from prison, etc. Maybe he was in touch with Mai, we can't know for sure. As a coming of age story, I think the ending fits well. Kamishiro made a promise with his friends, and now he can meet them in the bright place, they all strived for. It was hinted earlier in the manga, that Kamishiro knows that one day they will part ways. He has prepared his heart for that moment, while keeping the memories of their Holyland close. Now, as a young man he can face them again, and they can share their experiences and continue to evolve. Let's not forget the most obvious clue, showing that Kamishiro is alive - The Scar. There's no point for the author to show it, if it didn't mean something. The author also had some notes about losing his ability to write manga, and regaining it after 7 years, maybe the time was necessary for him to grow also, so he can get back to what he loves to do, I think it's kind of symbolic. You can't always cling to things or people you like, every person needs some time to grow and learn from his own failures. Then you can go back and share experience with others, that's the way it works. For me, the main thing in growing up is to be relevant to your time. People shouldn't stay the same for many years, you can carry your core principles and the things that define you, but you must grow as a person. Time does not forgive, and every person should try to keep up with it's pace. It's really a hard thing to do, because the more you get older, the more problems you tend to have. I'm 24, and the last 4 years of my life have passed in the blink of an eye. There are so many things you want to do, yet you put them aside for the sake of you responsibilities. That's when you realize, you have to keep up with your time and live an honorable life, helping others for the sake of helping them. You have to put meaning into moments, and enjoy the important ones with your family, friends, and loved ones. Find your Holyland and carry it along with your burdens, fight for the right things and live with dignity :)
 
01-14-13, 5:40 AM

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Kinda wanted Shougo to be out already so we could have an ending with all 3 together, but this was still a really nice conclusion to a great manga.

 
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