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Don't remember if this is covered in the fate route or not so read with caution. Basically me trying to explain to you why Shirou is the way he is and how he's not just some sexist ass.

- Of course there would be similarities between them but they wouldn't necessarily be compared against one another because they are so similar. In other words, no.
- Yes.
- Yes, but romance is a secondary one.
- There's an anime about the lore called Onegai! Einzbern Soudanshitsu, that will tell the basics. There are also wikis out there. They are really interesting to read but will have spoilers on most of them.

Having finished the first season, what I find most surprising is how underwhelming Saber is compared to the other servants, especially the other two kings.

Just realized that Saber is not the strongest?

Never said anything about strength. Her character is just dull. She is, as Rider says, just a stubborn misguided little girl.

Did you like her more in F/SN? (assumed that you already read it )

btw I'm not that fond of F/SN myself, F/Z >>> F/SN for me.

My opinion of her is neutral in both series. While she isn't particularly interesting in F/S either, any dislike of her is overshadowed by my hatred of Shirou.

She's certainly no Red Saber. But it is kind of tough to outshine Rider and Gilgamesh in terms of personality.

Arthur wasn't really that interesting of a guy. He was just pure ideal. The Ideal Just Knight who brings justice and security to the land. Saber is literally just what Emiya Shirou wants to be. SInce there's no SHirou in Zero, Saber basically obstain's Shirou's role of being the childish hero(ine) of justice by default.

Finishing Fate/Zero has definitely encouraged me to pick up the novel again.

Wow, just reached the first Caster and her master vs Shirou and Saber in UBW...that was so ridiculous that it was stupid. It's so frustrating when they introduce overpowered characters with no reason or explanation.

The fight in the road right?Day 9?
Well more than Caster and Souichirou being strong it's Saber and the rest that are fucking weak.Caster team has an important role in UBW

That too. It's tragic because she seemed so much more stronger and confident compared to the fate route, until the fight vs Souichirou. This is the most disappointing thing since the reveal of OP Aizen.

Gilgamesh

Gil would do almost anything for Kirei. Remember how Gil digs him out of the rubble with his BARE hands? Yeh he likes him that much.

Also Gil never bent down to Shinji. Ever scene of them together shows Gil's contempt and disgust towards that pathetic piece of shit. It was always Gil who made the important decisions anyway.

Also Saber lost against Souichirou because his technique is really weird. Once she adapts then Kuzuki stands no chance because he's just a one trick pony.

Actually, Saber never defeated Kuzuki completely because she wasn't given the chance. UBW is Shirou's chance of glory and all. Anyway, yeah, Gilgamesh doesn't "bow down" to Shinji. Shinji actually is scared shitless of Gil at times because Gil treats him like a bug. He was just following along with Kirei's plan because you know, those two have the bromance going on.

Well, after taking a break, I finally finished UBW...

In honesty, the mid way point of the novel had me gripped and interested but the Archer vs Shirou situation and final battle really left a sour after taste. But I do hope Heavens feel will live up to all the hype. So far, I'm loving all the parallels between the two series: the always honorable Lancer, Archers with swords, disposable character Assassin.

I also considered UBW to be a huge leap from fate, in terms of focus on story, intensity, and in general enjoyment. Should I expect an equal, if not greater, jump from UBW to HF?

Yeah.Nobody understands why they saved Shinji.I mean come on even without his participation in the war,EVERYBODY knew that he abused(and continues)Sakura although they dont know that this is only the tip of the iceberg.Honestly if I knew that someone was abusing a girl/friend of mine I wouldnt play "best friends"with him....


Main 3 heroines for me: Sakura>Rin>Saber.Yeah suddenly one of the most famous kings in history falling in love with a teenage boy is a bit weird,if not totally weird.


Blame the Grail bath he had in the end of FZ.I wonder what will you say about him in HF....Somehow I think he is more awesome there than in UBW(I hate him in UBW,reason being Ilya) and Fate,because of one little detail.


Although I havent seen it myself I think one of the bad ends of HF will give you that.Of course his ideals in HF arent the same as in the other routes.In Fate his ideal is"saving everybody" and in UBW although it's the same he knows that it's impossible to do, but he will continue to try(which was the whole point of his fight with Archer)



HF>UBW
HF>>>>Fate
those that didnt like HF were obviously huge fans of Saber,so not liking it that much is to be expected.I cant think of any other reason for Fate or UBW to be better than HF.

I think you'll enjoy HF. It does contain a lot more content than the first 2 routes and is much more similar in tone with Fate/Zero.

When I played the VN it felt like each route got a lot better. UBW was a huge jump from Fate, and HF was a jump from UBW.

And Saber fans are pretty shallow if they disliked it just because of Saber's role.

It has to do with the climax of HF. But the less said about it the better the surprise, unless you watched Carnival Phantasm or seen the figurines. Plus people seem to hate Sakura, much like many hated Kohaku. The fact both are pretty similar is no coincidence.

As for Gilgamesh, what someone said up there... he wasn't comitting mass genocide. In 10 years he greww to detest how weak humanity had become. So he reasoned, those who couldn't handle the Grail like he did had no place in his kingdom. It's less about mass genocide and more about natural selection. the weak should die, that's what he reasons. Also, he made a promise to Kirei. Heck, at one moment he admits he doesn't really care about the Grail as much as Kirei does, that's it's all the same to him. He did it because it was Kirei's goal, that's mostly it.