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I have this weird "hobby" of always letting the reviews at the end to see if those people actually understood the message or have the same opinion like me.

And I found this weird type of rating the actual story of some anime by it's "ending" (if it's appealing or not, some people call the anime bad if the ending wasn't appealing o.O) and by it's "cliches".

These two things are something I don't really understand. Cliches are overused scenes or ideas, like "coughing in movies is terminal illness" or "only men are alcoholic" or the character dies, revives magically because of the "good energy" the world gives him and goes with the girl. Like this was used in every movie 13+.

Bad endings (from what I've heard), are endings when you don't get what you want it seems. And two examples that I've seen are Guilty Crown and Fate/Stay Night



Well if you watched any of those two examples (because I don't really have any other, actually you could point me out something if I do have). Aren't cliches unavoidable most of the times? Aren't bad endings just a bit "realistic"?

Like I won't have this idea after watching about 300 (THIS IS SPARTA!) anime, but at the moment I'm quite butt hurt it seems.

Oh yeah and isn't character development based on the genre of the anime? Like Harems have the extreme dense guy, most actions start with the quite incapable or REALLY capable and arrogant protagonists, most ecchi have a really perverted protagonists too. <- This is what I've seen overall, I might be wrong, as I didn't watch many anime.

I'm having trouble following you...

Maybe you're wondering
"What's with people deciding whether an anime is good or bad base on it's ending?"
or
"What's wrong with Cliche/overused plot?"

... And... I still don't know what exactly you're trying to get out of this thread... What's the question/purpose?

Yes, about the endings and cliched/overused plot, and how you actually notice these "cliches". I've never found avoidable cliches in all the anime I watched.

Plus I'd like to know more about reviewers.

If by "letting" you mean "reading the review after you've watched the show", I agree. It's not weird at all. I do so because one of the best thing in anime is the surprise element, which is attained with the 6 line policy. I try to be careful, but I still got spoiled the other day (OnePiece).
So once you've watched the show, you're able to be critical of the review.

Cliché and ending are just criterion, they're far from universal. Try writing a review, you'll see what I mean.

The only way to avoid cliche end would be something random and unexpected like an explosion at the dinner table that kills everyone in a non-comedy slice of life anime which will no doubt piss off a lot of people. lol

EDIT:


Not always. The Guilty Crown you posted is an example of unrealistic. Realistically it should have ended the way people wanted it:

Yeah, that's my opinion of most people that say "cliched anime, 0/10 story", being original isn't always the best thing.

@EratiK Well, I'm not fit to do such a thing, if you can check my list everything is rated too highly, I'm that type of person that likes pretty much everything. Still, I see lots of people hating on some shows because of it's "story", but they don't really see it's multiple layers or even remember why it happened that way.

And as I love comedies, romances and so on, I still love story, if it wouldn't have story then I wouldn't watch it. Hell, if I don't play games if they don't have stories (Online yes, but not Single player without it), that means I'm quite harsh with anime too.

If somebody has written in his/hers review that Guilty Crown is full of cliche and has an awful ending, which ruins the overall experience even further, than I completely agree.

It has nothing to do with Guilty Crown tho, it was an example of review that seemed a bit weird to me.

But now I'm forced to ask you, why is it an awful ending and what cliches did you see in it?

EDIT: YES, tell me all the cliches, then maybe I'll understand what a cliche in anime means -_-.

Reveal clichés in GC? My pleasure:

Human instrumentality project - stolen from Evangelion
Super angsty/emo protagonist – stolen from Evangelion
Quiet emotionless girl – Evangelion
Resistance group – Code Geass
Inori’s little robot – is a small Tachikoma from GITS
Mecha design and features – stolen from Gundam and Code Geass
Crystal virus – stolen from Gundam 00
Pulling weapons out of humans – Dantalian and Utena

Indeed... So, Gai using a bow is a cliche, because bows have been used in most history of Humanity.

EDIT: Indeed, logic = flawless. *facepalm*

The XX was stolen from XX "argument" is a stupid one.

Seriously, don't use it.... ever.

alot of anime has stolen from Evangelion

And Evangelion has used things from other anime as well.

It wasn't the first to use a emo protagonist and it sure as hell ain't the last.

as a decon and recon it needed play the tropes

I don't think clishe elements are a problem. It's impossible to be fully original anyway without greasing an extremely weird and probably bad show. The problem is always how something is presented.
People trying to say that this and that is bad being used in a show are wrong. Mostly it's how it was used.

There isn't necessarily a 'correct' message to get out of an anime, so don't expect to read a review and go 'this is exactly what I was thinking, we're the same!' If you do happen to have that reaction, others probably did not, so it does not make it a better review.

Only men being alcoholics is more of a gender stereotype than a cliche, although I suppose it could technically be considered one.

Also,


these things.

You missed the point...

It doesn't matter what anime did what first.

The problems with cliche is not the cliches them selves it's when the whole thing becomes formulaic

Being formulaic in when your just plugging in tropes to easily pander to a certain audience, because there is any artistic integrity behind it, It's like if it made by a machine.

I think you missed the point of why Fate/Stay Night's ending was bad...
Guilty Crown's ending was just...seriously fuck that show.

Why is it that when you're one step away from spitting out the information I need, you stop, and tell me I didn't get the point...? I've watched both shows, come on, tell me why they have bad endings. It won't hurt you, put spoilers on, if you think you can spoil it to others.


I don't really understand. You've used "formulaic" and "trope" and "artistic integrity", already three terms I have no idea what they mean in English.


"Only men being alcoholic" is what happens in most movies, you can call it a stereotype, but it's a cliche after all, that's what I meant, wasn't talking about real life.
I thought the ending was bad for most people because o.O. And that was what I meant, it's realistic that sometimes the protagonist won't get what he wants. Shit happens.