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I doesn't matter what I, you, or scientists "believe" in; it never will. All that matters in scientific discovery is facts. As for the question of where the energy in the big bang come from, we don't know. We may never know. But to say that this lack of knowledge would then imply a creator (not pointing any fingers) is absurd. It's a logical fallacy to deduce a supernatural from incredulity and downright dishonest to invoke a God-of-the-gaps argument. Again, I'm not pointing any fingers, just making a case.

12 people for creationism? Oh god. I hope they are all trolls.

Why? I'm for creationism and I'm not a troll.

But yet, this is where creationism stands or falls. If you interpret evolution as the means employed by some deity to create the present lifeforms, then that's well and good. But the moment it contradicts science, the whole of creationism falls apart by the sheer weight of the empirical evidence arrayed against it.
Either way. any literary interpretation of creationism is and will forever be a lost cause. After all, we know very well that the world was not created out of Ymir and Auðumbla in Ginnungagap.

You'll excuse me if I don't believe you. We live in the 21st century. Even the Vatican has converted to 'intelligent design' because creationism is such a ridiculous concept.

Well, believing in creationism doesn't automatically mean that I reject Evolution.

I was given to understand that the members of the Vatican (and the Pope) accept evolution.

Definitely a troll.

Why isn't there an option for both. I can't vote.

Hitchens thank you for a proper response.

I just wanted to clarify that my mentioning "[where did the matter come from]" in the first post was not an explanation for the necessity of God in the equation. I was just pointing at one of the problems I personally have with the standard Scientific argument.

I do take a little offense at the reasoning you expected me to have: "I do not understand or cannot explain, therefore magic is behind it!"

I would like to at least believe my personal case behind creationism is more rational than emotional.



Much as Science continues to find footholds in society for each of its successive theories, Christianity has changed over time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant (Personally)

Not at all. And I didn't assert that your belief was purely an emotional one, as I made clear by saying, "I'm not pointing any fingers".

7 pages in 8 hours...

Anyways I am fully for Evolution.

Of course "creationist" is synonymous with "creationism." But your fallacy is a faulty generalization of creationism as the belief system of the "typical" creationist -- the sort of person that believes in a Young Earth and shuns evolution, and the sort of person that believes in the Creation Museum, as you presented. That person represents a subset of creationism, not creationism on the whole.

I'm going to be honest, I've agreed with almost everything else you've said in this thread, but you're needlessly discrediting yourself and your arguments with generalizations like these.

Creationists aren't just limited to the generic young earth type. There are old earth creationists as well, for example Harun Yahya.

Creationism is all but confirmed to be shamanistic and superstitious. It basically being from the bronze age onward. There is absoltuely no way to confirm creationism. Evolution? At the very least is sounds likely.

To add to my case. All holy books were written by people. Not 'A god possessed person' or anything. I'm sure I'm pissing a couple of people off but, seriously, get real people.

I seriously have to wonder what the OP was thinking putting Creationism in the topic title when most of the people against evolution actually don't prefer the word Creation. The term now is intelligent design but I'm sure this must have been said somewhere in the thread already.

Not that I advocate intelligent design anyway.

Evolution wins. No point in arguing with a fact. XD

A higher power exists, be it the laws that govern the universe or God himself.
Otherwise nothing would exist.

However, the idea that we were created directly by God like someone making a toy is a joke. His influence created us, maybe, but we weren't put together a few thousand years ago in some ethereal toy factory.

I don't think they have an official stance on evolution or creationism, rather they leave the decision to the individual, but I know their schools support evolution.