Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
ssjokg said: It really could just be Archer BS'ing everyone but he more or less claims he could trace an imperfect version of Excalibur, stress on imperfect. It's beyond his means to make a perfect Excalibur. I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once |
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Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: It really could just be Archer BS'ing everyone but he more or less claims he could trace an imperfect version of Excalibur, stress on imperfect. It's beyond his means to make a perfect Excalibur. I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once Excalibur and Caliburn are different in that Excalibur exists as usable NP (or something like that)while Caliburn isnt ,even Saber doesnt have it.I think the problem with Excalibur is the mana needed unlike Ea where the problem is mostly with the material. Even if Archer is able to trace it it's useless since he himself says he would die after the attack..... |
ssjokgMay 2, 2012 8:23 AM
| How would Gilgamesh deal with EMIYA's hrunting? |
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| use whatever he can to deflect it and at the same time attack (with GoB/Enkidu) Archer hoping to hit him before hrunting becomes to strong for Gilgamesh.for now only that comes to mind.... |
ssjokg said: More or less yeah, spamming. But Archer proved himself to be a very intelligent Servant when it came to fighting and covering his weaknesses (he literally only dies because the plot demands it, the same way the plot demands him to hesitate when facing Saber).use whatever he can to deflect it and at the same time attack (with GoB/Enkidu) Archer hoping to hit him before hrunting becomes to strong for Gilgamesh.for now only that comes to mind.... |
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| But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. |
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stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material |
BloodRequiemMay 2, 2012 7:48 AM
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| Then again, Gil didn't take the fight seriously until it was too late. He wasn't wearing his armor either. Still, when he realized he was going to lose he still didn't have enough time to pull out EA. |
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| well Unlimited Blade Works IS faster in creating weapons than Gate of Babylon is at summon/call them from Gilgamesh's Vault.Though if they werent fighting one on one but keep spamming each other Gil would have won even without Ea. |
| Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. |
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Orulyon said: Gil has enough derp moments to make one wonder if he "really" is smart. He def has the overpowered hax though.Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. Also... BloodRequiem said: Archer can keep Unlimited Blade Works up for far longer and suffers no penalties in it unlike SHirou. And Gil wouldn't have the "time" to pull out anything, let alone a shield. He'd be pretty well busy just trying to stop almost instant barrages of swords.stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material |
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Leon-Gun said: Orulyon said: Gil has enough derp moments to make one wonder if he "really" is smart. He def has the overpowered hax though.Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. Also... BloodRequiem said: Archer can keep Unlimited Blade Works up for far longer and suffers no penalties in it unlike SHirou. And Gil wouldn't have the "time" to pull out anything, let alone a shield. He'd be pretty well busy just trying to stop almost instant barrages of swords.stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material it was assuming that he didnt have UBW opened and was simply shooting hrunting as a BP and if Gil wasnt full retard he wouldnt let archer open UBW in the first place Gil...didnt really show much intelligence...he could be smart but it might be just buried under all that CIS archer...no doubt about it the guy is smart and preps too |
BloodRequiemMay 2, 2012 3:21 PM
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| Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. |
WildEagle- said: Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. only saber with shirou would get avalon and she pretty much got lucky in timing in that battle Gilgamesh couldnt dodge because he couldnt stop Ea from turning and jump back |
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WildEagle- said: Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. Stronger how? Gil has the firepower of 4-5 servants. There is no way Saber is stronger then Gil. Unless You mean in character-Gil. |
Ragna92May 2, 2012 4:18 PM
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| Avalon blocking Enuma Elish=/=Saber stronger than Gilgamesh |
TheRealBoyd said: If Gilgamesh completely depends upon Ea it is. Ea has to charge up just like Excalibur. However Gilgamesh has more fallback options than Saber does (although Saber is more skilled in close-range battle).Avalon blocking Enuma Elish=/=Saber stronger than Gilgamesh And there's something people keep overassuming again. The only reason Saber was even originally summoned in the Holy Grail Wars was because Avalon was found. Yeah, she wouldn't have Avalon in the Fifth War because of plot-reasons but any master other than Kiritsugu apparently, would have given Avalon back to Saber. Only reason she didn't have Avalon at all in the Fourth War was because Kiritsugu wasn't even planning on using Saber properly. As such, assumming she's summoned as she is originally and her Master doesn't hate her guts she would have Avalon (similar to how Heracles was given a giant stone axe made from the item the Einzberns used to summon him). |
Leon-GunMay 2, 2012 4:17 PM
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| Strongest isn't the same as who would win in a fight, though. Avalon vs Ea, Gilgamesh is still stronger because as you said, he has other things he can do. Similar to how Saber is stronger than Archer, but with tactics and such, he can defeat her. Not that Avalon Saber would beat serious Gilgamesh. |
| Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? |
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ataraxial said: Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? yes i like how no 1 voted for cu chulainn but there r people voting for caster and kojirou |
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BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? yes i like how no 1 voted for cu chulainn but there r people voting for caster and kojirou This is under the Fate/Zero board, so FSN Servants would naturally get a little less love. Although Kojirou is still inexplicably troll. |
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| Medea vs Gilles de Rais Medea does not need incantations for her spells while in Gilles' case it depends on what he summons. Medea has her dragon tooth warriors and Gilles has Horrors.Both of them increase as they please but Gilles' horrors is far better. Not sure if Rule Breaker would work against his monsters since they are created by sacrifice's and prana that comes from Prelati's Spellbook and Rule Breaker doesnt work on NP.Surely it wont work if she aims for the book but the horrors are not a NP but created/summoned by it. Medea can heal herself using prana, can form really strong barriers as tough as berserker's skin and can teleport. lets not include the golden fleece since it's useless for her. Medea Str:E Agi:C Mana:A+ Luck:B End:D NP:C Gilles Str:D Agi:D Mana:C Luck:E End:E NP:A+ With a first glance I would say Medea is stronger what do you guys think? Edit:Looks like I did right to start this since someone voted for Zero Caster... |
| Medea has enough Anti-Army spells to deal with Gilles's tentacle hordes so it's just a matter of her having an Anti-Fortress type spell to destroy the giant monster. If she does, then Medea would win easily. Regardless, Gilles as a Caster is an improper summon because of Ryuunosuke screwing up the ritual and the Caster class being the only spot left to fill. Gilles is better fit for one of the knight classes. After all, everything Caster Gilles does begins and ends with Prelati's Spellbook. |
BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? yes i like how no 1 voted for cu chulainn but there r people voting for caster and kojirou I couldnt help but LOL so hard at the fact someone actually voted for Zero Caster, especially after people have seen Caster defeated not too many episodes ago. Voting for Sasaki Kojirou is not as WTH to me as voting for Zero Caster (since he's actually pretty strong for an improperly summoned servant). Of course, he is far from being the strongest, but he was still impressive (to me). Poor Lancer :/ The Lancers (from FSN and F/Z) may not be my top characters, but I do agree that they're probably one of the most underrated classes. Why do all Lancers have horrible luck? |
TheRealBoyd said: Medea has enough Anti-Army spells to deal with Gilles's tentacle hordes so it's just a matter of her having an Anti-Fortress type spell to destroy the giant monster. If she does, then Medea would win easily. Regardless, Gilles as a Caster is an improper summon because of Ryuunosuke screwing up the ritual and the Caster class being the only spot left to fill. Gilles is better fit for one of the knight classes. After all, everything Caster Gilles does begins and ends with Prelati's Spellbook. I dont know if his stats are so low due to being summoned as a Caster but unless he has something really COOOOOOOOOLLL i dont see him beating Medea. I mean I could see Berserker Lancelot being defeated by Medea even with Arondight and I doubt Gilles comes anywhere near him in any other class. Without Mad Enhancement and a good tactic Lancelot would be able to defeat Medea. @sallym613 Being a Lancer is hard.... |
ssjokg said: Medea vs Gilles de Rais Medea does not need incantations for her spells while in Gilles' case it depends on what he summons. Medea has her dragon tooth warriors and Gilles has Horrors.Both of them increase as they please but Gilles' horrors is far better. Not sure if Rule Breaker would work against his monsters since they are created by sacrifice's and prana that comes from Prelati's Spellbook and Rule Breaker doesnt work on NP.Surely it wont work if she aims for the book but the horrors are not a NP but created/summoned by it. Medea can heal herself using prana, can form really strong barriers as tough as berserker's skin and can teleport. lets not include the golden fleece since it's useless for her. Medea Str:E Agi:C Mana:A+ Luck:B End:D NP:C Gilles Str:D Agi:D Mana:C Luck:E End:E NP:A+ With a first glance I would say Medea is stronger what do you guys think? Edit:Looks like I did right to start this since someone voted for Zero Caster... id have to say medea is better without prep in a straight on magecraft battle medea hands down wins with prep- as long as gilles doesnt summon that sea monster it is ok but medea is a smart woman...shes not gonna give gilles enough time to prep |
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| Even an Avalon-wielding Saber is overwhelmed by Lancelot. He's just that much of a beast. |
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sallym613 said: BloodRequiem said: ataraxial said: Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? yes i like how no 1 voted for cu chulainn but there r people voting for caster and kojirou I couldnt help but LOL so hard at the fact someone actually voted for Zero Caster, especially after people have seen Caster defeated not too many episodes ago. Voting for Sasaki Kojirou is not as WTH to me as voting for Zero Caster (since he's actually pretty strong for an improperly summoned servant). Of course, he is far from being the strongest, but he was still impressive (to me). Poor Lancer :/ The Lancers (from FSN and F/Z) may not be my top characters, but I do agree that they're probably one of the most underrated classes. Why do all Lancers have horrible luck? Being Lancer is suffering: Also, yes, Kojirou is a beast. And Medea definitely > Gilles de Rais. |
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Leon-Gun said: Even an Avalon-wielding Saber is overwhelmed by Lancelot. He's just that much of a beast. when did saber use avalon against lancelot? plus that fight between them was pretty 1 sided saber poured all that prana in the motorcycle and used an excalibur against rider lancelot had prep with the submachine guns and he also caused that psychological damage against her by then saber pretty much gave up on fighting or else even if he did draw arondight i think saber could take him cuz their stats arent that different with saber using prana bursts lancelot with arondight Strength: A Agility: A+ Mana: B Luck: A Endurance: A saber Strength: B Agility: A Mana: A Luck: D Endurance: A prana bursting enhances strength and speed and if saber does get the chance to pull an excalibur... luck cannot be easily factored in unless it is in the form of PIS |
BloodRequiemMay 2, 2012 7:40 PM
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| Doesn't Arondight raise all his stats? Because his base stats are: Strength: A Endurance: A Agility: A+ Mana: C Luck: B NP: A All you did was raise his Mana and Luck. Furthermore, Protection of the Fairies also increases Lancelot's Luck in combat situations, so he gets two luck boosts. I've always wondered what happened when you get a rank boost when your stats are already A rank. Do you just get pluses? If so, then Arondight+Protection of the Fairies Lancelot is: Strength: A+ Endurance: A+ Agility: A++ Mana: B Luck: A+ NP: A+ Regardless, while you are right in saying that Saber pretty much gave up the fight once she saw who her opponent was, she says herself that Lancelot is a better swordsman and is the "strongest sword wielding Heroic Spirit." Furthermore, Lancelot's Eternal Arms Mastery skill says that the hero who holds that skill was unsurpassed in their era. Saber lived in his era. He has the skill, she doesn't. And not that the real myths always apply to Type Moon, but Arthurian literature even says that Lancelot is the most skilled knight, so I heard. Lancelot may not have something like Avalon, but it doesn't matter if he's too skilled to take a hit. That said, because of Kariya, Lancelot obviously loses the fight if he draws Arondight. Taking that out of the equation, though, Lancelot likely wins because Saber may not even have a chance to use Excalibur. Oh, and Arondight has dragon slaying properties, so Saber is weak against it. |
TheRealBoyd said: Doesn't Arondight raise all his stats? Because his base stats are: Strength: A Endurance: A Agility: A+ Mana: C Luck: B NP: A All you did was raise his Mana and Luck. Furthermore, Protection of the Fairies also increases Lancelot's Luck in combat situations, so he gets two luck boosts. I've always wondered what happened when you get a rank boost when your stats are already A rank. Do you just get pluses? If so, then Arondight+Protection of the Fairies Lancelot is: Strength: A+ Endurance: A+ Agility: A++ Mana: B Luck: A+ NP: A+ Regardless, while you are right in saying that Saber pretty much gave up the fight once she saw who her opponent was, she says herself that Lancelot is a better swordsman and is the "strongest sword wielding Heroic Spirit." Furthermore, Lancelot's Eternal Arms Mastery skill says that the hero who holds that skill was unsurpassed in their era. Saber lived in his era. He has the skill, she doesn't. And not that the real myths always apply to Type Moon, but Arthurian literature even says that Lancelot is the most skilled knight, so I heard. Lancelot may not have something like Avalon, but it doesn't matter if he's too skilled to take a hit. That said, because of Kariya, Lancelot obviously loses the fight if he draws Arondight. Taking that out of the equation, though, Lancelot likely wins because Saber may not even have a chance to use Excalibur. Oh, and Arondight has dragon slaying properties, so Saber is weak against it. + are modifiers due to stuff like eternal arms mastery and are not stats therefore are not subject to arondight's boosts and im pretty sure the dragon slayer effect deals additional damage so if he doesnt hit saber the affects dont apply |
BloodRequiemMay 2, 2012 11:01 PM
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| So then were does the plus in Rin Saber's A+ Luck come from? |
TheRealBoyd said: So then were does the plus in Rin Saber's A+ Luck come from? no idea its UBW so nasu was prob smoking something like when he wrote the rest of the route |
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BloodRequiem said: Now you are just making shit up.TheRealBoyd said: So then were does the plus in Rin Saber's A+ Luck come from? no idea its UBW so nasu was prob smoking something like when he wrote the rest of the route |
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Leon-Gun said: BloodRequiem said: Now you are just making shit up.TheRealBoyd said: So then were does the plus in Rin Saber's A+ Luck come from? no idea its UBW so nasu was prob smoking something like when he wrote the rest of the route so you are saying nasu wasnt smoking when he made archer tank gae bolg and drained all his prana and no master either open UBW and spams like 18 weapons against shirou get stabbed by shirou get GOBed have enough prana to pull a rho aias have enough prana to UBW a path for rin traces and throws a knife at gilgamesh and survives long enough to have a little chat with rin at the end gilgamesh's stupidity is also a facepalm worthy reason dont forget that scene where he claims he can trace excalibur (prob bluffing but you dont know if nasu was serious or not...despite previous evidence saying that he cant) if you are referring to lancelot's stats with arondight There are two different "modifiers" that can be applied to ranks, + and -. The "+" modifier represents the capacity of a temporary boost in power if certain conditions are met arondight: It is Berserker's true Noble Phantasm, which seals For Someone's Glory and Knight of Honor once it is drawn. It increases all of his parameters by one rank "+" are not ranks so arondight doesnt affect it stuff dont go from A to A+ to A++ and A+++ its because of stuff like eternal arms mastery or in the case of gilgamesh's independent action he needs orphans |
BloodRequiemMay 3, 2012 12:34 AM
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BloodRequiem said: so you are saying nasu wasnt smoking when he made archer tank gae bolg and drained all his prana and no master either open UBW and spams like 18 weapons against shirou get stabbed by shirou get GOBed have enough prana to pull a rho aias have enough prana to UBW a path for rin traces and throws a knife at gilgamesh and survives long enough to have a little chat with rin at the end I'm pretty sure this is because he's a Counter Guardian and not a normal Heroic Spirit. |
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ataraxial said: More or less, Counter Guardians are given out whatever power the world deems necessary. Besides, it's his bloody route, you'd think he wouldn't have plot armor to high heaven? Even in the routes he's taken out "early" he managed to do some unreasonable feats like killing Heracles several times over (no clue given as to whether he used UBW as it was never referenced by Ilya) and stalling a death blow in Heaven's Feel long enough to become a limb donor (when every other Servant is shown being eaten fairly fast).BloodRequiem said: so you are saying nasu wasnt smoking when he made archer tank gae bolg and drained all his prana and no master either open UBW and spams like 18 weapons against shirou get stabbed by shirou get GOBed have enough prana to pull a rho aias have enough prana to UBW a path for rin traces and throws a knife at gilgamesh and survives long enough to have a little chat with rin at the end I'm pretty sure this is because he's a Counter Guardian and not a normal Heroic Spirit. Either way he pulls Rho Aias while he was being aided by Caster, who herself was basically eating up half of Fuyuki out of spiritiual energy. The shield Shirou used against Gil was his alone (the confusion stemmed from a remark Nasu made about it where he suggested Archer aided SHirou's shield...he later retracted that). |
Leon-GunMay 3, 2012 7:17 AM
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jojovonjo said: Gil didn't care, he basically thre some pot shots at him just to humour Tokiomi and later chided him for even trying to give him orders. He was far more enthralled with his little scuffle with Berserker. As tokiomi suggested, Ea would have literally obliterated the monster and Caster and that would have been overkill considering Excalibur alone was enough to take it down (the reason it took so long was because Saber couldn't use Excalibur and because Excalibur has massive collateral damage which Saber is unwilling to risk so a lot of preparation and sacrifice was needed to get Excalibur to optimal condition).I went with Zero Caster (Gilles de Rais) simply because of how many servants had to work together to take him down. It took Riders reality marble, Lancer had to sacrifice a noble phantasm, and Saber had to use Excalibur. Not to mention his monster took 3 or 4 shots from Archer. |
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Leon-Gun said: ataraxial said: More or less, Counter Guardians are given out whatever power the world deems necessary. Besides, it's his bloody route, you'd think he wouldn't have plot armor to high heaven? Even in the routes he's taken out "early" he managed to do some unreasonable feats like killing Heracles several times over (no clue given as to whether he used UBW as it was never referenced by Ilya) and stalling a death blow in Heaven's Feel long enough to become a limb donor (when every other Servant is shown being eaten fairly fast).BloodRequiem said: so you are saying nasu wasnt smoking when he made archer tank gae bolg and drained all his prana and no master either open UBW and spams like 18 weapons against shirou get stabbed by shirou get GOBed have enough prana to pull a rho aias have enough prana to UBW a path for rin traces and throws a knife at gilgamesh and survives long enough to have a little chat with rin at the end I'm pretty sure this is because he's a Counter Guardian and not a normal Heroic Spirit. Either way he pulls Rho Aias while he was being aided by Caster, who herself was basically eating up half of Fuyuki out of spiritiual energy. The shield Shirou used against Gil was his alone (the confusion stemmed from a remark Nasu made about it where he suggested Archer aided SHirou's shield...he later retracted that). even if he is a counter guardian he was not summoned by alaya so he doesnt get an absurd amount of prana compared to the other servants he was summoned through a container produced by the grail to limit how strong each heroic spirit can be that rho aias was 7 petals while the 1 shirou pulled off in HF with archers arm was only 4 petals plus hes never even seen rho aias before in UBW but he can trace it? |
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| We can say that he died in Ilya's Castle but then summoned by Alaya to stop the Grail? His armor was damaged in the final scene so maybe he was only aided Alaya.I dont know the full details on how the world works... |
| I'm assuming that each servant have a very great master (Rin, Sakura, etc.) If this is true, then Gilgamesh is the strongest, then Zero Berserker. Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. |
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| Actually, FSN Archer is rather contender for title of "weakest" servant, since both his stats and Noble Phantasm are pretty weak (yep, UBW is pretty bad NP, since IIRC it cannot properly reproduce rank A and better swords). His luck was, that enemies he faced always had some sort of weakness (especially Gilgamesh) against his abilites. If i had to pick overall strongest servant, my vote would go for our beloved Iskandar, who has both powerful abilites and totally badass Noble Phatnasm. |
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-Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 |
-Z15- said: I'm assuming that each servant have a very great master (Rin, Sakura, etc.) If this is true, then Gilgamesh is the strongest, then Zero Berserker. Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. zero zerker beating hercules... zero zerker beating archer... no way |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 He means disgusting as in disgustingly strong. But like BR said, Zero Berserker would have trouble with FSN Berserker for sure. He could probably beat FSN Archer if he doesn't let him put up UBW though. |
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sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 By disgusting, I mean very powerful. BloodRequiem said: -Z15- said: I'm assuming that each servant have a very great master (Rin, Sakura, etc.) If this is true, then Gilgamesh is the strongest, then Zero Berserker. Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. zero zerker beating hercules... zero zerker beating archer... no way Remember in UBW when Hercules lost to Gil's GOB? Remember in Zero when Zero Berserker throw the weapons back at Gil? As for Stay Night Archer, I might have to re-think about it. |
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-Z15- said: sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 By disgusting, I mean very powerful. BloodRequiem said: -Z15- said: I'm assuming that each servant have a very great master (Rin, Sakura, etc.) If this is true, then Gilgamesh is the strongest, then Zero Berserker. Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. zero zerker beating hercules... zero zerker beating archer... no way Remember in UBW when Hercules lost to Gil's GOB? Remember in Zero when Zero Berserker throw the weapons back at Gil? As for Stay Night Archer, I might have to re-think about it. Problem is that he doesn't have access to GoB himself. |
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ataraxial said: -Z15- said: sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 By disgusting, I mean very powerful. BloodRequiem said: -Z15- said: I'm assuming that each servant have a very great master (Rin, Sakura, etc.) If this is true, then Gilgamesh is the strongest, then Zero Berserker. Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. zero zerker beating hercules... zero zerker beating archer... no way Remember in UBW when Hercules lost to Gil's GOB? Remember in Zero when Zero Berserker throw the weapons back at Gil? As for Stay Night Archer, I might have to re-think about it. Problem is that he doesn't have access to GoB himself. ^basically this its a servant vs servant fight Gil is not gonna provide him with NPs and even without UBW id like to see lancelot dodge gae bolg spear of striking death flight (not the piercing heart version) tank a caladbolg which razed a cemetery outrun hrunting which is basically mach 13.4 |
BloodRequiemMay 3, 2012 11:18 AM
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
ataraxial said: sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 He means disgusting as in disgustingly strong. But like BR said, Zero Berserker would have trouble with FSN Berserker for sure. He could probably beat FSN Archer if he doesn't let him put up UBW though. -Z15- said: sallym613 said: -Z15- said: Zero Berserker with an actual decent master would be disgusting. Uhh...disgusting? o_0 By disgusting, I mean very powerful. Yeah I had a feeling that you meant to say that. Still...disgusting is quite a strange word to use for the term powerful imo xD That's why it threw me off at first *shrugs* |
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