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View Poll Results: Who is the strongest servant in Fate-verse?
| Saber (Arturia) | 75 | 15.86% | |
| Zero Archer (Gilgamesh) | 271 | 57.29% | |
| Zero Lancer (Diarmuid) | 4 | 0.85% | |
| Zero Rider (Iskander) | 21 | 4.44% | |
| Zero Berserker | 32 | 6.77% | |
| Zero Caster (Gilles de Rais) | 5 | 1.06% | |
| Zero Assassin (Hassan-i Sabbah) | 1 | 0.21% | |
| FSN Archer | 38 | 8.03% | |
| FSN Lancer (Cu Chulainn) | 3 | 0.63% | |
| FSN Rider | 0.00% | ||
| FSN Berserker (Heracles) | 19 | 4.02% | |
| FSN Caster | 0.00% | ||
| FSN Assassin (Sasaki Kojirou) | 1 | 0.21% | |
| FSN True Assassin | 0.00% | ||
| FHA Avenger | 3 | 0.63% |
Voters: 473
#201
05-02-12, 3:17 AM
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BloodRequiem said: ssjokg said: MapoTofu said: If in the Archer (Emiya) vs Berserker (Heracles) fight, Archer uses UBW first and instead of going head on but just shoots all of his weapons as BPs, would he have been able to beat Berserker. Heracles Berserker isnt as slow as the anime makes him to be.And no one knows how Archer really fought him.And he wasnt at full power because of Saber's attack in the beginning.If Shirou was able to beat him I dont see EMIYA being unable to since he is a lot more powerful than his younger self. BP takes a huge amount of prana which is counterproductive to the whole point of using UBW because the point of UBW is having access to high ranked, accurate copies while keeping cost low berserker is several times faster than archer and no archer cant trace avalon or caliburn because he doesnt have a connection with saber therefore he has no image and im pretty sure he healed that wound saber gave him a long time ago I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once Modified by ssjokg, 05-02-12, 3:21 AM |
#202
05-02-12, 4:47 AM
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ssjokg said: It really could just be Archer BS'ing everyone but he more or less claims he could trace an imperfect version of Excalibur, stress on imperfect. It's beyond his means to make a perfect Excalibur. I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once |
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05-02-12, 5:07 AM
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Leon-Gun said: ssjokg said: It really could just be Archer BS'ing everyone but he more or less claims he could trace an imperfect version of Excalibur, stress on imperfect. It's beyond his means to make a perfect Excalibur. I meant he could use Nine Lives like Shirou did in HF.Even if dark Berserker is weaker than the normal one.And without the after effects that Shirou had,EMIYA would be able to use it more than once Excalibur and Caliburn are different in that Excalibur exists as usable NP (or something like that)while Caliburn isnt ,even Saber doesnt have it.I think the problem with Excalibur is the mana needed unlike Ea where the problem is mostly with the material. Even if Archer is able to trace it it's useless since he himself says he would die after the attack..... Modified by ssjokg, 05-02-12, 8:23 AM |
#204
05-02-12, 6:40 AM
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How would Gilgamesh deal with EMIYA's hrunting? ![]() |
#205
05-02-12, 7:18 AM
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use whatever he can to deflect it and at the same time attack (with GoB/Enkidu) Archer hoping to hit him before hrunting becomes to strong for Gilgamesh.for now only that comes to mind.... |
#206
05-02-12, 7:22 AM
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ssjokg said: More or less yeah, spamming. But Archer proved himself to be a very intelligent Servant when it came to fighting and covering his weaknesses (he literally only dies because the plot demands it, the same way the plot demands him to hesitate when facing Saber).use whatever he can to deflect it and at the same time attack (with GoB/Enkidu) Archer hoping to hit him before hrunting becomes to strong for Gilgamesh.for now only that comes to mind.... |
#207
05-02-12, 7:38 AM
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But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. ![]() |
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05-02-12, 7:41 AM
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stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material Modified by BloodRequiem, 05-02-12, 7:48 AM As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
#209
05-02-12, 7:46 AM
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Then again, Gil didn't take the fight seriously until it was too late. He wasn't wearing his armor either. Still, when he realized he was going to lose he still didn't have enough time to pull out EA. ![]() |
#210
05-02-12, 8:20 AM
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well Unlimited Blade Works IS faster in creating weapons than Gate of Babylon is at summon/call them from Gilgamesh's Vault.Though if they werent fighting one on one but keep spamming each other Gil would have won even without Ea. |
#211
05-02-12, 10:23 AM
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Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ 飛ぶ |
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05-02-12, 1:13 PM
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Orulyon said: Gil has enough derp moments to make one wonder if he "really" is smart. He def has the overpowered hax though.Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. Also... BloodRequiem said: Archer can keep Unlimited Blade Works up for far longer and suffers no penalties in it unlike SHirou. And Gil wouldn't have the "time" to pull out anything, let alone a shield. He'd be pretty well busy just trying to stop almost instant barrages of swords.stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material |
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05-02-12, 3:16 PM
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Leon-Gun said: Orulyon said: Gil has enough derp moments to make one wonder if he "really" is smart. He def has the overpowered hax though.Gil is obviously the strongest of all FZ and FSN. Not just in power, but in intelligence. Iskander and Saber must be very close to his power though. Also... BloodRequiem said: Archer can keep Unlimited Blade Works up for far longer and suffers no penalties in it unlike SHirou. And Gil wouldn't have the "time" to pull out anything, let alone a shield. He'd be pretty well busy just trying to stop almost instant barrages of swords.stAtic91 said: But if Gilgamesh looses against Shirou in UBW because Shirou could pick up swords faster than Gilgamesh could fire/grab them from GoB, how the hell is he supposed to block an arrow that travels at 4 km/s. because shirou had hax if Gilgamesh wasnt retarded...even if he was as serious as he was in fate...shirou woulda died as soon as UBW opened up against archer i wouldnt be surprised if Gil pulls out a shield like rho aias and blocks it not to mention his armour is tank material it was assuming that he didnt have UBW opened and was simply shooting hrunting as a BP and if Gil wasnt full retard he wouldnt let archer open UBW in the first place Gil...didnt really show much intelligence...he could be smart but it might be just buried under all that CIS archer...no doubt about it the guy is smart and preps too Modified by BloodRequiem, 05-02-12, 3:21 PM As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
#214
05-02-12, 3:24 PM
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Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. |
#215
05-02-12, 3:40 PM
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WildEagle- said: Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. only saber with shirou would get avalon and she pretty much got lucky in timing in that battle Gilgamesh couldnt dodge because he couldnt stop Ea from turning and jump back As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
#216
05-02-12, 3:41 PM
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WildEagle- said: Saber Is stronger than gil with Avalon if her master Rin or kiritsugu or sakura shirou not sure. Stronger how? Gil has the firepower of 4-5 servants. There is no way Saber is stronger then Gil. Unless You mean in character-Gil. Modified by Ragna92, 05-02-12, 4:18 PM All the evils in the world? Bring at least three times as much if you wish to spoil me! - Gilgamesh ![]() |
#217
05-02-12, 3:42 PM
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Avalon blocking Enuma Elish=/=Saber stronger than Gilgamesh |
#218
05-02-12, 4:14 PM
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TheRealBoyd said: If Gilgamesh completely depends upon Ea it is. Ea has to charge up just like Excalibur. However Gilgamesh has more fallback options than Saber does (although Saber is more skilled in close-range battle).Avalon blocking Enuma Elish=/=Saber stronger than Gilgamesh And there's something people keep overassuming again. The only reason Saber was even originally summoned in the Holy Grail Wars was because Avalon was found. Yeah, she wouldn't have Avalon in the Fifth War because of plot-reasons but any master other than Kiritsugu apparently, would have given Avalon back to Saber. Only reason she didn't have Avalon at all in the Fourth War was because Kiritsugu wasn't even planning on using Saber properly. As such, assumming she's summoned as she is originally and her Master doesn't hate her guts she would have Avalon (similar to how Heracles was given a giant stone axe made from the item the Einzberns used to summon him). Modified by Leon-Gun, 05-02-12, 4:17 PM |
#219
05-02-12, 4:42 PM
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Strongest isn't the same as who would win in a fight, though. Avalon vs Ea, Gilgamesh is still stronger because as you said, he has other things he can do. Similar to how Saber is stronger than Archer, but with tactics and such, he can defeat her. Not that Avalon Saber would beat serious Gilgamesh. |
#220
05-02-12, 5:05 PM
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Lolwut, who voted for Zero Caster? |




