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Apr 30, 2012 10:47 AM

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juvemema said:
i don't know, since i am a fan of the old series it just strikes me that apollo/apollonius loved celiane/silvia who were tomboyish and warrior like. on the other hand if zessica is celiane the new characters in this reincarnation amata/kagura don't seem to care that the girl they know from 12000 yrs ago is not a tomboy and is pretty delicate(mikono).
Mikono is Silvia... a soft-hearted girl who was raised as a fighter because she had memories of her past life as Celiane that awoke within her pretty quickly. Her body was that of a descendant of Apollonius & Celiane too so it's like she was a shadow angel. She even had a wing... Now Mikono is Sylvie's (Silvia with mixed memories from herself and Celiane) reincarnation. She's a human with the power to connect people... She doesn't seem to have active memories of her reincarnation so the memories aren't pushing her to fight.

Funny thing though, 12000 years ago, Apollo and Silvia's past memories mixed with their `present` ones so their reincarnations aren't just themselves but rather mixed with their own previous selves, thus `Sylvie and Apollon` as opposed to `Silvia and Apollo`.

The mixed past memories probably draws Apollonius to Silvia's reincarnation because she has memories as both Silvia and Celiane... I bet Apollonius didn't even predict this confusing mess... hehe :)
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silvia is not a soft-hearted girl no matter how you cut it.
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juvemema said:
silvia is not a soft-hearted girl no matter how you cut it.
Soft-hearted definition: Having softness or tenderness of heart; susceptible of pity or other kindly affection; gentle; meek.

The Celiane part of Silvia showed a lot during the season but if you look at her own flashbacks, he power to connect was born from affection for others, humans and shadow angels alike.
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Maybe the reason why we don't know much about Zessica's past is because she comes from Altair? Her color is completely opposite to Mikono so maybe she could be the upside down version of Mikono - just theorizing, probably not going to be that thou :P

Celiane had two sides to her, Silvia took her "light" side - being part human and part shadow angel which might have explained the reason why should could connect others together, not because she was 'soft hearted'

She was def not 'meek' - more of a fighter, stood up for herself, said what's on her mind. Kinda like Zessica.... except less crushed by the writers.


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Read this at forum animesuki - Epic, epic, EPIC theory for episode 20

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bcmilk said:
Maybe the reason why we don't know much about Zessica's past is because she comes from Altair? Her color is completely opposite to Mikono so maybe she could be the upside down version of Mikono - just theorizing, probably not going to be that thou :P

Celiane had two sides to her, Silvia took her "light" side...
Wrong on the first part and this light side you speak of doesn't exist.... You messed up your understanding of the anime when you applied the idea of light and dark. Both halves of Celiane were neither light nor dark... they were the side that remembered the end of the world and the side that forgot the end of the world. The knowledge held by Celiane surpassed the abilities of a normal human so upon reincarnation, and also for her sin of loving another creature, she was split into two halves. Touma explained that.

Silvia's soft-heart cared for others regardless of being human or shadow angel. There are many ways to be soft-hearted. The reason why people would neglect this aspect of her is because she's extremely hot-headed.

If you don't cut a character into its pieces and examine how the pieces cause which behavior, you will merely be looking at the whole.. you will be limited in possibilities. The possibilities a living being have, are limitless. Merely their love or desire to survive expands the power Aquarion puts out to limits not even the shadow angels expected.

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Hell, the humans even made the false Aquarion to fight with and implanted feathers inside themselves to equal the power of the shadow angels... I didn't even consider they would implant the feathers... that alone is something even the shadow angels thought wouldn't happen I bet..
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ownosourus said:
Mix got kidnapped because of brainless Zesica. Poor Andy.

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Oh dear if Andy doesn't save MIX, she gonna be gang banged by a bunch of sex deprived men.
May 1, 2012 10:13 AM

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Andy should stop acting like that, it's his fault in the first place why Mix got angry at him while he's confessing, now Mix got kidnapped, he better save her fast or the enemy will make Mix pregnant.. lol :D
May 1, 2012 1:58 PM

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Know what'd be hilarious? If Fudo was Amata's dad... XD hahaha
May 1, 2012 5:27 PM

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Kirziga said:
Andy should stop acting like that, it's his fault in the first place why Mix got angry at him while he's confessing, now Mix got kidnapped, he better save her fast or the enemy will make Mix pregnant.. lol :D


HAHA The enemy is could be = Kagura... Mykage declared him "The Chosen One" ... in theory he should choose the EVA and repopulate the planet ... but he chose Mikono not Mix XD LOL This is why Cayenne sees Mikono in marriage with Kagura. If the Cayenne vision is about the future and if his vision is right, Mikono must marry with Kagura to save Altair.


or not ... I'm not build theories about Aquarion EVOL anymore...
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mixordia said:
Kirziga said:
Andy should stop acting like that, it's his fault in the first place why Mix got angry at him while he's confessing, now Mix got kidnapped, he better save her fast or the enemy will make Mix pregnant.. lol :D


HAHA The enemy is could be = Kagura... Mykage declared him "The Chosen One" ... in theory he should choose the EVA and repopulate the planet ... but he chose Mikono not Mix XD LOL This is why Cayenne sees Mikono in marriage with Kagura. If the Cayenne vision is about the future and if his vision is right, Mikono must marry with Kagura to save Altair.


or not ... I'm not build theories about Aquarion EVOL anymore...
Well the wedding was in funeral clothes which signifies a wedding that will probably end the world... which is to say if they get together, the world would end. It doesn't matter which world, Earth or Altair, because if one is destroyed, they both are. (We learned that from the dying tree of life.

Cayenne's other prophecy that she approaches Aquarion and Aquarion appears to consume everything in a light signified that she would bring Apollonius to Aquarion. As we saw last season, the light of Genesis comes from Amata... the light that Cayenne saw and couldn't understand as anything but destruction was this light and we saw how powerful it is on a low-scale, it wiped out the whole island last season... and it was the very light that created the universes... (This is only one interpretation of the prophecy he saw thought... there are more but this seems like it makes sense in my opinion...)

Another way to interpret the wedding would be to avoid destruction by Celiane or Apollonius(depending on how it goes), apollon and Sylvie must wed, putting an end to all the deaths, a mourning for deaths on both sides and a marriage to unite both sides. Of course, this possibility is just as high as any other out there...

You're right though mixordia, his prophecies aren't wrong, just his own interpretation leads anyone who sees it to think the way he does. Hidden meanings lie within prophecies and those are what the prophecies foretell. As Fudo explained about shadows, they shine light on the darkness in all our hearts ~ Episode 16 - Black Mirror.
May 1, 2012 6:47 PM
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You know with all of us going in to detail like this, I can't help but feel this show is going to let me down in the most amazing way...
May 1, 2012 7:33 PM
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Prohomiez said:
You know with all of us going in to detail like this, I can't help but feel this show is going to let me down in the most amazing way...

i know how u feel
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jamiea483 said:
Prohomiez said:
You know with all of us going in to detail like this, I can't help but feel this show is going to let me down in the most amazing way...

i know how u feel
It's only a let down if you look at it in a gloomy way...
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You know, I don't usually think that much about S1E17 'Merge to Eat' but now I'm sure, Rina was a shadow angel... Her abilities are about as numerous as what we've seen from Apollonius...

Edit:
Anyone else get a bad feeling about the title of the next episode? "First Reunion"
I was getting the titles and putting them on the end of my files and then I noticed the title... I watched the preview but I didn't pay much attention to it... I get a very bad feeling from this title.
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Ye amata haters are going to be happy cuz he gets pwned by his best friend ( Diggers for life) But I guess the first reunion stands for mix and andy or amata and his mom which would end up being at the very very end of the episode. Kimi tends to troll alot
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Prohomiez said:
Ye amata haters are going to be happy cuz he gets pwned by his best friend ( Diggers for life) But I guess the first reunion stands for mix and andy or amata and his mom which would end up being at the very very end of the episode. Kimi tends to troll alot
Well the reason why i have a bad feeling is that the reunion will most likely be on Altair... Nothing good can come of this....
May 2, 2012 5:16 PM
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Okay gonna start out with what i think about this episode... DAMMIT!!Zess is going to be all depressed again which is gonna suck... and Andys going to go to the rescue and that how he'll get out of his little Heart ache the next episode is alrdy predictable xD... But i feel so bad for Zess, she tried so hard to change, she even changed her appearance(which was still kinda the same cept not showing the lower body) anyways i hope the best for her... i think Zess deserves to be with Amata... Now as for Mix i think she'll apologize for what happend and everything will go the same as before. Also i think Andy is the reincarnation of Pierre...

Now my thoughts of the series in general... i think its getting a little bit off tracks from its roots, i still love the first series, it was great and i think its better than the second series. Now with Amata and Mikono and the whole fate change thing...i honestly dont know what the reincarnation deal is, in this series... thats the only thing keeping me in this is because of my quest to figure out who is Apollo and who is sylvia i think they deserve a good ending after 12,000 years... with the whole change fate thing, i dont think Amata is changing anything, because i believe is part of Apollo's soul, so in the end Kagura and Amata is almost that of the same persons soul but 2 different bodies, and its pretty much confirmed that Sylvia is mikono... How i think this series will end, it might end up like the previous one but this time kagura and amata and possibly mikono will sacrafice themselves or the new guy who looks like Toma, and Mikono will say the same thing sylvia said blah blah end... now im hoping this doesnt happen because i'm still waiting for a happy ending with Apollo and Sylvia... Lets hope soon they reveal some info about the reincarnation cycle and who is who...
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zerolegends said:
with the whole change fate thing, i dont think Amata is changing anything, because i believe is part of Apollo's soul, so in the end Kagura and Amata is almost that of the same persons soul but 2 different bodies, and its pretty much confirmed that Sylvia is mikono... How i think this series will end, it might end up like the previous one but this time kagura and amata and possibly mikono will sacrafice themselves or the new guy who looks like Toma, and Mikono will say the same thing sylvia said blah blah end... now im hoping this doesnt happen because i'm still waiting for a happy ending with Apollo and Sylvia... Lets hope soon they reveal some info about the reincarnation cycle and who is who...
The difference between Amata(Apollonius) and Kagura(Apollon) is simple...
Amata - Powers of apollonius(we don't know all the powers apollonius weilds....), Memory of Apollonius
Kagura - Powers of Apollo(scent), Memory of Apollo & Apollonius

Major difference: Who they are now...
Amata(Not apollonius) has the power of flight, and is infatuated with Mikono
Kagura has the power of reversal, and is infatuated with no one... his desire for mikono comes from his past-life as Apollo...
May 2, 2012 6:41 PM
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kyled00m said:
zerolegends said:
with the whole change fate thing, i dont think Amata is changing anything, because i believe is part of Apollo's soul, so in the end Kagura and Amata is almost that of the same persons soul but 2 different bodies, and its pretty much confirmed that Sylvia is mikono... How i think this series will end, it might end up like the previous one but this time kagura and amata and possibly mikono will sacrafice themselves or the new guy who looks like Toma, and Mikono will say the same thing sylvia said blah blah end... now im hoping this doesnt happen because i'm still waiting for a happy ending with Apollo and Sylvia... Lets hope soon they reveal some info about the reincarnation cycle and who is who...
The difference between Amata(Apollonius) and Kagura(Apollon) is simple...
Amata - Powers of apollonius(we don't know all the powers apollonius weilds....), Memory of Apollonius
Kagura - Powers of Apollo(scent), Memory of Apollo & Apollonius

Major difference: Who they are now...
Amata(Not apollonius) has the power of flight, and is infatuated with Mikono
Kagura has the power of reversal, and is infatuated with no one... his desire for mikono comes from his past-life as Apollo...


okay? so what are u trying to say then? Amata only has the powers of Apollonius?
and hes not really not a reincarnation of any1??
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zerolegends said:
okay? so what are u trying to say then? Amata only has the powers of Apollonius?
and hes not really not a reincarnation of any1??
Amata is himself and the reincarnation of Apollonius. His memories of Apollonius lay dormant though so he has the ability to make his own choices on love.

Think about it this way... Apollonius Loved Celiane and vice versa. Because Silvia grew up with memories of her past life, she was constantly searching for Apollonius. Apollo didn't react to anyone romantically until his memories as Apollonius started coming back and then he got close to both Celianes. It's kind of sad how Apollo and Silvia had no choice as to who they could love.
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kyled00m said:
zerolegends said:
okay? so what are u trying to say then? Amata only has the powers of Apollonius?
and hes not really not a reincarnation of any1??
Amata is himself and the reincarnation of Apollonius. His memories of Apollonius lay dormant though so he has the ability to make his own choices on love.

Think about it this way... Apollonius Loved Celiane and vice versa. Because Silvia grew up with memories of her past life, she was constantly searching for Apollonius. Apollo didn't react to anyone romantically until his memories as Apollonius started coming back and then he got close to both Celianes. It's kind of sad how Apollo and Silvia had no choice as to who they could love.


Thats true and in the end it worked out... sorta... like i said before the only reason why im watching this anime still is to see their happy ending if there is one... or to see who is who and what not i want some offical answers, cause the first seaons left me wanting to see the 2 (apollo and silvia) have a happy ending... something tells me though that the way i want it to end probably wont happen and in the end itll be just all a big troll... i feel like im being trolled with these episodes right now xD
May 3, 2012 4:27 AM

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seriously they could just have her go out with the guy who asked her out this episode. he wasn't bad looking.


that assbag says "Dont think. Come with me".

that pretty much shouts out that he just wants her sweet gam-gams




lol, well put- I agree- but the way you said that... lol
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Well, overall good episode, glad there wasn't too much Kagura mentioned *gags*
An interesting parallel, from the prequel, Sousei no Aquarion, where Zessica leaves and goes to the opposing side.. like Sirius from Sousei did... *wonders*
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Well, overall good episode, glad there wasn't too much Kagura mentioned *gags*
An interesting parallel, from the prequel, Sousei no Aquarion, where Zessica leaves and goes to the opposing side.. like Sirius from Sousei did... *wonders*
Zessica isn't like Sirius. She(as the reincarnation of Celiane) wasn't getting love from Amata(reincarnation of Apollonius) so in her attempt to run from her emotions and stop the fighting, was willing to sacrifice herself. Sirius joined the shadow angels on the pretense of being betrayed and thought of as a monster. Not even the one he cared for so much was willing to bear with his racial background. Then again, hiding it and letting others discover mid-combat was his own fault so he can't blame it on Reika.
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I'm pretty sure I heard Jouji Nakata there, how nice.
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That was a nice ep, the ending got me stoked to see the next ep. Ughh I wanna see so badly where the whole situation with Amata and her mom is going to head. Damn some progress has to be made with the Zessica's situation, sucks to see her like this. Glad she wasn't taken but Mix. =/

Everything is just going wrong for Andy.
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Poor Andy. I hope he gets his waifu back
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bcmilk said:
Maybe the reason why we don't know much about Zessica's past is because she comes from Altair? Her color is completely opposite to Mikono so maybe she could be the upside down version of Mikono - just theorizing, probably not going to be that thou :P

Celiane had two sides to her, Silvia took her "light" side - being part human and part shadow angel which might have explained the reason why should could connect others together, not because she was 'soft hearted'

She was def not 'meek' - more of a fighter, stood up for herself, said what's on her mind. Kinda like Zessica.... except less crushed by the writers.


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Jun 4, 2012 12:41 AM

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who's the random person with the bag on their head in the beginning?

MIX??! NOOOO. it seems like it's bout time for Andy to kick some ass.

It would have been more interesting if Zessica went.

I seriously hate Amata, he hasn't even thought about Zessica at all. He just doesn't care. I guess he has some sort of connection to Izumo via his mother.

Mikono is by far the worst character. Whiny and annoying. I agree with her father she's useless.
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who's the random person with the bag on their head in the beginning?

IKR! Was wondering abt that for so long, hoping she would be even the slightest bit important. But alas, she is just a pretty face? Wait that's not right. Heck, I don't think she is even cannon fodder.
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Time to go recuse your woman, Andy.
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NOT MIX!! I want to watch another episode soo badly tonight =[ but I can't!!

It was a descent eppy but what I read before not the same thrill as before but there aren't many episodes left than it's done anyways, I will miss it =[!1

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Wow I didn't expect Mix to be abducted O_O Poor Andy...digging all those holes, and then can't fight, then seeing Mix being taken away :(

It's also sad to see how Mikono's father thinks of her as useless. I'm glad Cayenne has taken a new view of his sister because of what Amata had said. Overall, interesting episode, it was okay, not amazing or anything. Definitely more serious that last episode LOL. I guess that's how things are done, you get a funny episode right before things start getting serious.
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Andy is going to dig a hole through the interdimensional gate and Gattai with his woman.

Come on Zessica, get over yourself. Amata isn't that much of a catch.
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Apr 20, 2013 4:16 PM

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andy will go bersek next episode
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Oh Zessica you idiot. This is not going to end well.
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