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04-28-12, 10:08 PM

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Well the episode was fun. And going through these past 7 pages of spoilers was even more fun. Well, they weren't really spoilers as none of it will ever show in Fate Zero.

I hope they animate Sakura's route, or maybe I'll have to do a bit of wikiing to satisfy my needs.


either download the visual novel or read the "screenshots" here
but really i suggest the visual novel for the music and overall enjoyment

http://fsn.seorinwastaken.com/archive/index.html


I took a look at it...yeah the VN would be a lot better


the link i provided is mostly used to provide anti-faggotry material when someone makes a statement like "hurr durr lancelot can beat hercules"
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-28-12, 10:17 PM

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Kotomine is a sadistic ass. And I love him for it.
 
04-28-12, 10:26 PM

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so Kirei finally did it, dat smirk of him was creepy as hell.
flashback next ep, hope they won't drag it the whole ep though.


the flashback thing isnt like the rin bs
its actually legit important

yeah I know what those flashbacks are important for ppl to understand Kiritsugu, just personally not a fan of whole ep flashback.


if handled nicely flashbacks can turn really good.I hate them too when they are unnecessary(Like naruto in the last chapters)
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04-28-12, 10:33 PM

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Great episode but I expected more from Tokiomi's death. I feel like his end could've been done better, and not hearing the inner thoughts of characters is also a big problem.

Gilgamesh was able to accomplish his goal and unleash Kotomines true nature.

Can't wait until next episode though, really looking forward to Kiritsugu's past
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04-28-12, 10:42 PM

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I loved how Kirei and Gilgamesh were teasing each other :)

Tokiomi's dying face was priceless but I do feel bad for him. He was a good father.
 
04-28-12, 10:44 PM

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A word of thanks to Kotomine Kirei... He makes Kiritsugu look like a true hero LoL. I loved every minute of Kotomine's two-faced plan, he really made the story that much more exciting. Not to mention, he has the most powerful Gilgamesh as his right hand too now.

That scene with Tokiomi and Rin parting was kind of sad, I knew Tokiomi was going to get killed, it was just a matter of how. His ideal student stabbing him in the back with the same gift he bought for him, how evil. (In an entertaining way)

Also...FINALLY, we will get a full out flashback on Emiya Kiritsugu. I was waiting for this since the first episode and a lot of unanswered theories of mine will finally be accounted for. I can't wait.

Iri-kun and Maiya's conversation was kind of disheartening. Although, now I see why Kiritsugu had her tagging along Saber all this time. He killed two birds with one stone; the first being keeping his identity a secret and the second was prolonging his beloved's health. I respect that man to endless means.

Oh yeah, SAAYBA ON A BIKE FTW!
 
04-28-12, 10:55 PM

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Thanks for the link.
Which chapter/route can I find out where Lancelot beats Hercules?

And there's no ero in this site! I skipped to those sexy pages and nothing! Booo!

edit: oh wait a second, I can watch the shit on that site! why would i need to download it! awesome!
edit2: how come the video doesnt all match up with the chapter names... confused.
ok, i'm guessing those video titles are wrong and are not in order and the guy who made the site is trolling... SIGH
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04-28-12, 10:56 PM

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Ragna92 said:
Great episode but I expected more from Tokiomi's death. I feel like his end could've been done better, and not hearing the inner thoughts of characters is also a big problem.

well Tokiomi's death wasn't meant to be very dramatic though, it was over before the man himself even aware that he's dead. But yeah not knowing the inner thoughts is a turn off since it showed that Tokiomi is not a bad father.
 
04-28-12, 11:30 PM

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Kurogashi said:
Thanks for the link.
Which chapter/route can I find out where Lancelot beats Hercules?

And there's no ero in this site! I skipped to those sexy pages and nothing! Booo!

edit: oh wait a second, I can watch the shit on that site! why would i need to download it! awesome!
edit2: how come the video doesnt all match up with the chapter names... confused.
ok, i'm guessing those video titles are wrong and are not in order and the guy who made the site is trolling... SIGH


there is no lancelot vs hercules battle
just using it to prove hercules' feats
thats why i still recommend the game cuz that website isnt meant for a substitute for the original source but more like a reference in debates
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-28-12, 11:30 PM

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I thought it was going to be a pretty boring episode until Kirei went straight evil on his master lol.
 
04-29-12, 12:00 AM

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Kirei is da shit, nuff said!
 
04-29-12, 12:04 AM

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Lol the dagger Rin coveted all that time was the dagger that killed her father.
 
04-29-12, 12:35 AM

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Fate/Zero Never Failed To Amuse Me. >)


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Yeah. Where In The World Is That Gem. I Believe Tokiomi Gave That Gem Directly To Rin. :|

I Was Expecting For That But It Didn't Happen And It's Replace To A Fucking Book.

I have a sickness called gettingarousedbyhorieyui'svoice syndrome.
 
04-29-12, 12:49 AM

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Haha, that was great. I knew he was going to betray Tokiomi sooner or later but the execution of it was fantastic. He's one of the few antagonists in anime that are truly interesting and exciting, probably more than any other character in the show aside from Rider and the King of Heroes himself. This is getting more and more interesting, can't wait to see how the final battle will play out as it draws closer.
 
04-29-12, 1:08 AM

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Awesome episode, from build-up to the great finale, from sounds&music to direction, the whole episode was on another level. Can't understand why people complain about the lack of action when there are such intellectual conversations and decent plot-development etc. Anyway, the series is around my "10 points radar" for the time being. Moreover, it's only getting better and better!
 
04-29-12, 1:10 AM

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Finally.
We just got Kotomine Kirei in all his glory.
 
04-29-12, 2:54 AM

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why everybody thinks that he gave he the jewel ?
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04-29-12, 2:56 AM

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Hehe, that smirk kinda looked like Alucard's... fitting, since the seiyuu is the same after all
 
04-29-12, 3:01 AM

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Kirei is...terrifying. I'd hate to be in Kiritsugu's shoes right now. I don't think he was expecting this turn of events.


Great stuff as usual. Not as good as last week's; though, I wasn't expecting it to be. Tokiomi's ultimate demise at the hands of Kirei is something most of us have been anticipating for quite some time. The series never tried to hide this from us obviously, so much so that I wonder if I would have enjoyed it more had it been a little less foreshadowed. Perhaps it would have been more shocking? I don't know. Still, it was inevitable and the entire scene was directed very well. As always, Urobuchi's dialogue for Kirei and Gilgamesh is some of his best work.


On a side note, I can't exactly say I understand why Kirei wanted to kill his own father. Looking through this thread, a few posts mentioned that he was crying over his father's body in the original light novel(too bad it was omitted here), so perhaps the anime didn't make this clear enough? Was he scornful toward him because his father never understood him?

Alas...the agonizing wait for next Saturday begins again. =(
 
04-29-12, 3:01 AM

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why everybody thinks that he gave he the jewel ?
pic from F/SN novel, last memory of father
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because of deen's messed up adaptation
As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all.
 
04-29-12, 3:51 AM

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Saber's got herself a motorcycle and she looks so cool with it and the suit.

Now Kotomine seems much more dangerous than I originally thought that will be Tokiomi.
 
04-29-12, 4:48 AM
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Tokiomi's death didn't came as a surprise at all and it went so easily it's almost disappointing to watch he didn't even have his guard up and supplied the weapon for his own death.
And poor Rin will be deluded for a long time now believing that the one training her helped her father.
This also renders the pact Irysviel and Tokioma made useless.
 
04-29-12, 5:05 AM

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Best episode so far I think. I prefer the heavy dialogue episodes a lot more than the action ones.
Anyway, I just noticed I totally love Gilgamesh's design for some reason. The detail on his pants is fabulous tbf.
 
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I have a question for the other LN readers:Did they change the end of Maiya's line in the anime or was there a translation error?From what I can hear Maiya say I think that the translation is correct.So was it a mistake in the LN?

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04-29-12, 5:44 AM

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Despite the fact that Tohsaka's death was not surprising as Gilgamesh was already leading Kirei up to it, and it was only a matter of time when Kirei decided to betray, what was scary or creepy was the sudden change in Kirei who turned from sideline self-exploration to cruel offense. I mean, that expression was... eek. Gave me the heebiejeebies.

Yeah, obviously Gilgamesh and Kirei do make a better pair. Let's see what their strategy entails.

Iri's gonna die soon? Baw...
Saber on bike! Yeeehaw!! =D

Well.. looks like the killing spree is just starting now that Kirei is in the game in full force..
 
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When you get backstab by Kirei it doesn't happen just metaphorically.

Kirei saved the life of Kariya in a previous episode. I believe he did it for entertainment because he probably thought it would have been fun seeing him annoying Tokiomi again but now that things changed and he had to kill Tokiomi, Kariya might end up becoming a big obstacle to him.

Tokiomi may seem pathetic to some but he was actually quite perfect. His problem ended up being having an arrogant servant that wants to be amused. In a way the flawed one was actually Gilgamesh. Tokiomi was a machine at doing what he set out to do and probably getting back-stabbed and betrayed like that was the only way to lose.
Because of his perfection in magic duties and machine like logic he seemed boring to Gilgamesh that in a way initiated the whole betrayal.
For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.

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It still irks me to see Tokiomi behave that way with Rin after what he did to Sakura. I can't even say he got what was coming to him by being killed by Kirei; I would've rather Kariya be the one to kill him.


I don't think his behavior has to do anything with simple parent love. His obsessed with magic. His affection for her is probably more as a future magician member of the family.
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For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.
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04-29-12, 6:34 AM

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Saber's got a motorcycle! Looking cool

Bet Kirei's going to go after Irisviel soon
 
04-29-12, 7:43 AM

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Tokiomi lacked the malice to come thorugh in this war.

Has the backstory of Kotomine and the Einzberns been explained? I feel I'm missing something here.
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04-29-12, 7:47 AM

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Kirei is so ebil
Not that much action with all the conversations, but still good to watch
 
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Kirei's such a badass.
 
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Tokiomi lacked the malice to come thorugh in this war.

Has the backstory of Kotomine and the Einzberns been explained? I feel I'm missing something here.


Iri refers to what happened when Kotomine attacked her and Maiya during season 1.She just used her family's name to persuade Tokiomi.Tokiomi never learnt what happened in the forest
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04-29-12, 8:19 AM

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Amazing episode. While I saw it coming all the way, still it was nicely executed.

I cannot join in these conversations because it is no more an Anime Discussion Thread. I hope MAL had a VN discussion thread.

Anyways.

5/5 for this episode.

 
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It still irks me to see Tokiomi behave that way with Rin after what he did to Sakura. I can't even say he got what was coming to him by being killed by Kirei; I would've rather Kariya be the one to kill him.


I don't think his behavior has to do anything with simple parent love. His obsessed with magic. His affection for her is probably more as a future magician member of the family.


And that's exactly why it bothers me.

I love Tokiomi as a character, and as a magus, but not as a human being.
 
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Kirei finally showed his true face !!
 
04-29-12, 9:01 AM

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Another perfect episode.
Strayed from the LN a little bit but still executed perfectly.
Kiritsugu's back story is next. Should be perfect.
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For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.


Yeah that's why i said that the flawed one is actually Gilgamesh. He might think his great but actually Tokiomi was greater than him. More boring yes, but still better at his job.
 
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Monad said:
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Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.


Yeah that's why i said that the flawed one is actually Gilgamesh. He might think his great but actually Tokiomi was greater than him. More boring yes, but still better at his job.


^This.

Gilgamesh's goal was never to win. It was to have fun.
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Great episode!



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Monad said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.


Yeah that's why i said that the flawed one is actually Gilgamesh. He might think his great but actually Tokiomi was greater than him. More boring yes, but still better at his job.


^This.

Gilgamesh's goal was never to win. It was to have fun.


Beat me to it : (
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Quite an uneventful episode apart from Tokiomi's inevitable downfall. Still great though.

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04-29-12, 10:50 AM

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ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.
 
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Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.
 
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Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.


Just like others said he's not serious at all. If he was serious the grail would've been over on the first night. Well it is part of his character. And he doesn't go all out unless he considers you as 'worthy'.
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I must say, this keeps me entertained. I like all the schemes Emiya and Kirei pull. Heck it entertaines me even more than the fights. I kinda feel sorry for the heroic spirits though. They are too pure in heart to deserve such masters as Emiya, Kayneth or Kirei.
 
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Ragna92 said:
ataraxial said:
Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.


Just like others said he's not serious at all. If he was serious the grail would've been over on the first night. Well it is part of his character. And he doesn't go all out unless he considers you as 'worthy'.

Really though? How can you be so sure of how powerful he is if (as you suggest) he's never serious?
 
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ataraxial said:
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ataraxial said:
Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.


Just like others said he's not serious at all. If he was serious the grail would've been over on the first night. Well it is part of his character. And he doesn't go all out unless he considers you as 'worthy'.

Really though? How can you be so sure of how powerful he is if (as you suggest) he's never serious?


Because I saw a glimpse of what happens when he gets a little serious in Fate hollow. Hopefully we'll also see it here in Zero.
 
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ataraxial said:
Ragna92 said:
ataraxial said:
Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.


Just like others said he's not serious at all. If he was serious the grail would've been over on the first night. Well it is part of his character. And he doesn't go all out unless he considers you as 'worthy'.

Really though? How can you be so sure of how powerful he is if (as you suggest) he's never serious?

Because there are times in both F/SN and in F/Z where he actually does become serious.
 
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The murder scene was perfect
 
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ataraxial said:
Ragna92 said:
ataraxial said:
Lumathy said:
ssjokg said:
Monad said:

For Gilgamesh entertainment seems to be more important than effectiveness. Besides is not like it's his wish that will get realized so why would he care about getting the grail that much if there is no amusement in it.


yeah that's the reason he sucks in FSN.Even Shirou defeated him.If Gilgamesh was serious we would have won both wars.

cmon now, Gilgamesh needs that flaw, with his power if he were serious then everyone would have been wiped out from round 1 and we would have no story to see.

He's good, but he's not all-powerful. For instance, Zero Berserker matches him pretty well.


Just like others said he's not serious at all. If he was serious the grail would've been over on the first night. Well it is part of his character. And he doesn't go all out unless he considers you as 'worthy'.

Really though? How can you be so sure of how powerful he is if (as you suggest) he's never serious?

Because there are times in both F/SN and in F/Z where he actually does become serious.

So why hasn't he won a grail war in a day during those moments of seriousness?
 
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