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04-26-12, 7:07 AM

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During those glory days of ancient China, rich merchants, kings and emperors have been known to keep a number of pretty boys or beautiful men as "pets", or a better term may be "male concubines". Since the Manchurians conquered China this practice has all been forgotten now, but given the chance (if you could afford it), and if it wasn't such a taboo practice, would you have liked to keep one? I do realize that the standard of a man's appearance in the west is vastly different from the east, but this is an anime forum, people may actually LIKE beautiful men. Or I could be wrong... Anyway, I'm really curious what you guys think.

A little quick trivia: The masked Chinese war general 蘭陵王 as depicted in the well-known Japanese dance is one such "beautiful man", though he never submitted to anyone as a concubine. His superiors complained of his beautiful face having the opposite effect of intimidating the enemy, and so the mask.

Pictures if anyone wants to see what artists have imagined them to look like:


Although male concubines are pretty much a very real part of ancient history and culture, some of the stories of how these beautiful men died (or escaped) were pretty ridiculous. Some of which said "fainted from over-crowding of girls wanting to see his face, died days later" and "abducted by princess who has 30 concubines. She threatens suicide if he won't be her pet. When he persists in leaving, she eventaully relented and let him go". Sounds like really good fan-fic lol, but damn if it were real, then the old ways are really the way to go for open-mindedness.

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There's a bit of a misunderstanding here. These men are not forced into becoming slaves, but yes they MAY be treated like property, but not the kind where the "pet" is absolutely powerless to do anything. Pets are pampered, not used as slaves.

First the term used for the male concubines is 男寵, which makes up of the word 男 meaning boy or man, and 寵 meaning to love, pamper, to spoil or concubine. Obviously they are not treated as slaves, and records of 男寵 may even become kings or warriors. Listing a few:

龙阳君 - Male concubine of the king of 魏安厘. Constantly in need of the kings reassurance that he still loves him. Known to be extremely talented in sword fighting, various martial arts and politics. Have on several occasion represented his king on diplomatic missions.

韩子高 - Male concubine of king 陈蒨. He was the only recorded male concubine who was allowed to take the role of the "queen".

归守明 - Male concubine of king 王延钧. Known to make the palace harem of imperial concubines his own little empire.

李二哇 - Male concubine of the militia chieften 张献忠. Was kidnapped by a war general. To win him over, the general promised him every thing that the militia chieften could provide and better, but he flat out rejected him. To prove his loyalty, he refused to eat and died of hunger.

I think this is clear enough now?
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04-26-12, 8:02 AM

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"I'm gay and HELL YES" ...why is this even an option tho?

Sounds like having a slave, so no thank you.
 
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04-26-12, 8:18 AM

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holypoop said:
"I'm gay and HELL YES" ...why is this even an option tho?

Sounds like having a slave, so no thank you.


Okay, I removed the option, might come off as slightly insensitive I guess.

A concubine is not a slave. I was expecting someone to say that though. They are more like an adopted son than anything like a slave. You get to live life doing whatever you like, getting spoiled and all.
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04-26-12, 8:22 AM

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What is this? -and no. I don't wish for sex-slaves. You guys are silly if you want teh women and men all to yourselves.
 
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04-26-12, 8:39 AM

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I can't see the full question it seems. Must be my iPhone.
 
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04-26-12, 9:50 AM

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Given that sex slavery and human trafficking in general is an extremely profitable venue these days and a horrible reality for many people around the world that no international organization really knows how to deal with, your thread comes off as more than 'a little insensitive'; at least in my mind.

Torturing little kids might have been a common practice at some point in history in some place on earth, that does not make it a natural springboard for discussion: 'so, if you could torture a kid tomorrow, what would be your tools of choice? Feel free to discuss!'
 
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Sadly it's so "taboo" I don't even want to picture myself in such a hypothetical scenario.
 
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Speaking as a Turkish prince, the idea of having lots of attractive people whom I can treat as dolls is very appealing to me. My preference would be that they were female of course, but being of a rather adventurous disposition I would not be affronted by the notion of some man on man sexual escapades if the men in question were effeminate looking or 'beautiful' in the sense that women are beautiful. After all, I am unconcerned with anything other than satisfying my copious sexual appetite, and does it matter if my seed finds it release in the orifices of a woman or a man?
 
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04-26-12, 10:54 AM

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Slaves? Yes please. Pretty slaves? Yes indeed.
Naturally women would be preferable, but I'm sure a prettyboy could be useful too, he can do the dishes and clean the house just as well, and I could probably use him to scam money out of rich ladies.

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04-26-12, 11:02 AM

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Concubines are not slaves, people...
I see dead people.
 
04-26-12, 11:31 AM

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It's funny, but I usually prefer the look of these "pretty boys" more than the overly masculine Western ideal.

As for whether I want them as concubines? Nope, I'd rather have women, since I don't lean that way. I can keep them as servants, though. A strong, handsome man with flowing hair would be a pretty cool bodyguard.
 
04-26-12, 11:35 AM

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Nintendosoni said:
Concubines are not slaves, people...


This

And this...

Baman said:
Slaves? Yes please. Pretty slaves? Yes indeed.
Naturally women would be preferable, but I'm sure a prettyboy could be useful too, he can do the dishes and clean the house just as well, and I could probably use him to scam money out of rich ladies.
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04-26-12, 11:43 AM

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I do know that concubines are not slaves, but it seems to me the term might be different for different cultures. I think more information on what exactly you mean would make this topic more on the topic that you had in mind.
 
04-26-12, 11:53 AM

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Taking aside the fact that I'd be "buying" someone, hell yes
 
04-26-12, 1:45 PM

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GloriousHawk said:
Nintendosoni said:
Concubines are not slaves, people...


This


I am sorry, but this obvious distinction obscures a harsh reality; indeed, concubines are not necessarily forced into the 'profession' but historically, abduction or training since birth has been a common way to procure these 'beautiful boys' and girls for the powerful. Furthermore, once you enter the 'profession', one way or another, getting out is never a simple matter. A considerable percentage of consorts have never really had a say in the matter.

Of course, talking about free prostitutes, consorts etc. is completely different, but the op mentioned things like 'pets', (a pet does not get to say 'hey, I got bored of being a pet, leaving, see ya') 'escape' and 'died', if he did not talk about forced labor or labor without the freedom to terminate it then why use those words?

Edit: In the end, what I am trying to say is: are we talking about property, or free people? I interpreted the situation in the opening post to refer to effectively being treated as property. And it makes sense when talking about pets; if my pet girl has pet babies, why shouldn't I be able to sell them to other loving masters?
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04-26-12, 1:59 PM

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No way.
I'll keep animals as pets, but humans? Fuck that.
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04-26-12, 2:17 PM

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I have a dog. I love my dog more than I will ever love any human being. My dog is more of a friend than a pet, a part of my family. I couldn't care less for having a ''pet'' human of any kind.

Though, having a human as a pet would probably the most useful thing that it could do.
 
04-26-12, 2:56 PM

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If I did not have to pay for the expenses of having one, then I would think about it.

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04-26-12, 3:33 PM

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Alpha-kudasu said:
I have a dog. I love my dog more than I will ever love any human being. My dog is more of a friend than a pet, a part of my family. I couldn't care less for having a ''pet'' human of any kind.

Though, having a human as a pet would probably the most useful thing that it could do.


But Alpha, what if I want to be your dog? :<
 
04-26-12, 3:46 PM

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I'd love to have one as a pet.
 
04-26-12, 4:01 PM

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Can they cook?
As I would take 3:
- one would cook
- one would be cleaning the house and doing stuff like this
- one would work instead of me, some well paid job

Something like intership but for life... why not
 
04-26-12, 4:22 PM

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mindblown.
 
04-26-12, 6:48 PM

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Weeeeeeell being NOT gay, a pretty male is of no real use to me.

I'd rather if it had to be male they were just very strong and able to give a back rub the lasted 3 hours without tiring. Now that would be useful. I suffer from back ache. I couldn't care less if they were ugly.
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There's a bit of a misunderstanding here. These men are not forced into becoming slaves, but yes they MAY be treated like property, but not the kind where the "pet" is absolutely powerless to do anything.

First the term used for the male concubines is 男寵, which makes up of the word 男 meaning boy or man, and 寵 meaning to love, pamper, to spoil or concubine. Obviously they are not treated as slaves, and records of 男寵 may even become kings or warriors. Listing a few:

龙阳君 - Male concubine of the king of 魏安厘. Constantly in need of the kings reassurance that he still loves him. Known to be extremely talented in sword fighting, various martial arts and politics. Have on several occasion represented his king on diplomatic missions.

韩子高 - Male concubine of king 陈蒨. He was the only recorded male concubine who was allowed to take the role of the "queen".

归守明 - Male concubine of king 王延钧. Known to make the palace harem of imperial concubines his own little empire.

李二哇 - Male concubine of the militia chieften 张献忠. Was kidnapped by a war general. To win him over, the general promised him every thing that the militia chieften could provide and better, but he flat out rejected him. To prove his loyalty, he refused to eat and died of hunger.

I think this is clear enough now?
 
04-26-12, 7:24 PM

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This kind of reminds me of the manga Kimi wa Pet, better known in English as "Tramps Like Us".

I would keep a pretty boy as my pet! Provided he didn't try to do anything lecherous to me. XD
 
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There's a bit of a misunderstanding here. These men are not forced into becoming slaves, but yes they MAY be treated like property, but not the kind where the "pet" is absolutely powerless to do anything.

First the term used for the male concubines is 男寵, which makes up of the word 男 meaning boy or man, and 寵 meaning to love, pamper, to spoil or concubine. Obviously they are not treated as slaves, and records of 男寵 may even become kings or warriors. Listing a few:

龙阳君 - Male concubine of the king of 魏安厘. Constantly in need of the kings reassurance that he still loves him. Known to be extremely talented in sword fighting, various martial arts and politics. Have on several occasion represented his king on diplomatic missions.

韩子高 - Male concubine of king 陈蒨. He was the only recorded male concubine who was allowed to take the role of the "queen".

归守明 - Male concubine of king 王延钧. Known to make the palace harem of imperial concubines his own little empire.

李二哇 - Male concubine of the militia chieften 张献忠. Was kidnapped by a war general. To win him over, the general promised him every thing that the militia chieften could provide and better, but he flat out rejected him. To prove his loyalty, he refused to eat and died of hunger.

I think this is clear enough now?


No, I don't think so. Mainly because I am clueless as to the particular branch of 'concubine'. You are first saying that concubines of that sort MAY be treated like property, and then you are listing some cases in which concubines actually go very high up.

First of all, I have no idea about the relative numbers: how many of those concubines actually made it to the top, and how many were treated like property? Secondly, of those who did make it to the top, how many had this ambition from the beginning and voluntarily joined a harem rather than simply claw their way up as a sole route from within the environment they were confined initially against their will? Thirdly, in each case, for each concubine that excelled, how many others did not? Of those that did not, how many had a choice to simply go back to farming or whatever?

In the end, you simply gave an example, a convenient one perhaps, and then asked us: would you like to have a pet? And I am asking: what do you mean, 'pet'? Can I sell my pet's babies? Can I give them away? Can I take them away from their mother? What if I get two boys that are brothers and then give one away to somebody else, splitting them apart for life? Can they object? If I can, all the treasures and gold and influence in the royal courts in the world will probably mean very little to some of those people. Others will climb to the top. *shrugs* Still seems a very, very disagreeable discussion to me.

Edit: Let me give you another example of my objection to 'they made it to the top' argument; a little exaggerated one (but a very real and common thing), to drive the point through: suppose I am a two year old, I am abducted from my village by guerrillas or sold by my relatives and made a child soldier, say for a 'noble' purpose, in a war to overthrow a bad regime for example. However, I excel in combat and have good leadership potential, so I rise up as I grow up to actually lead guerrilla groups. Eventually, I have my own squad, essentially my freedom and locally at least, immense power. Does this end result legitimize the practice that led me here?
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Seems like a good investment, keep in the basement to produce cash.
 
04-26-12, 10:32 PM

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...! Of course I would keep one, it would be really interesting and
Funny~
 
04-27-12, 1:08 AM

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What the hell did I just read.
Really amusing how appearances change lives.
Would I keep one? no, although it's tempting to write a story about it.
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04-27-12, 1:43 AM

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No, I wouldnt mind a buddy to hang around all the time but they would just make me insecure on how I look.
 
04-27-12, 4:43 AM

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mindblown.

Keeping one would totally ruin my pride as a straight guy.
 
04-27-12, 6:03 AM

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wow this thread is sexist, you women are pigs!


(not serious... lol'd)
 
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I'd have one and I'm a guy, i wouldn't do "stuff" with him but I'd make him work damn hard because I'm far too lazy to go make my own food...
 
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Kallum260 said:
I'd have one and I'm a guy, i wouldn't do "stuff" with him but I'd make him work damn hard because I'm far too lazy to go make my own food...


If you can afford to own one, then you probably have servants make your food already. :P
 
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Mouhappai said:
Kallum260 said:
I'd have one and I'm a guy, i wouldn't do "stuff" with him but I'd make him work damn hard because I'm far too lazy to go make my own food...


If you can afford to own one, then you probably have servants make your food already. :P


"afford to own one", i wouldn't pay him, I'd feed him cheap food like... bread lmao then he might die of starvation... damn, I'm so heartless.
 
04-27-12, 1:07 PM

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I do want a hot guy but not as a pet. I just want someone to keep me company.
 
04-27-12, 4:12 PM

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Yes, but it totally depends on how they look and how they dress.
Manly men? Fuck no. Girly men; welcome to my abode!
 
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Androgynous men, hmm.. Yes, this could work to my advantage.

I'd have him do a myriad of jobs, from coercion to blackmail to an assortment of seduction schemes. Of course, it'd be both to our benefits. I'd rather not have him as a 'pet', but as a 'business partner'.

animelly said:
I do want a hot guy but not as a pet. I just want someone to keep me company.


<3?
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-s so so beautiful..I'm dazzled.








 
04-27-12, 11:38 PM

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For know, the female answers are Tie [17-17]. Don't worry I will change.. My answer was "no" & Im female. I'll just live alone and find my true love myself, I don't want human pets.
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04-28-12, 12:08 AM

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I'd keep one if they dressed up like a cute girl for me and wore frilly dresses. No homo.
 
04-28-12, 5:03 AM

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I'd keep one as my maid. I mean, they ARE pretty.
 
04-28-12, 5:05 AM

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No, just no.

On the other hand..

You can have one! No, take ten!
That would mean there are more fish for me to catch, or something, harr harr.
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04-28-12, 8:58 AM

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I'm against anything that's devaluing humanity. A no-no for me.

 
04-28-12, 2:20 PM

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Pretty sure a few people are taking this more seriously than it is intended.
 
04-28-12, 2:34 PM

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Dafuq.
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04-28-12, 3:44 PM

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Ambalamps said:
Pretty sure a few people are taking this more seriously than it is intended.


Then post it in Casual Chat, not GD. The OP prefaces the question by describing how natural and common the practice has been in the past; i.e. in reality, real life. I despise social models that allow these things and given that many people are busting their asses to end similar practices today with little success, not everyone can take the question as an amusing 'what if' game.

So for those of you who replied 'yes': why don't you? It is not impossible; it is difficult to smuggle these kids into the US (boat to mexico, from land to us), sure, so you need a lot of money but I am sure a small minority of users in this site can afford them. Besides, many users live in some European countries where trafficking people is easier than smuggling cigarettes through the borders, making it even more feasible to acquire the services of these kids (or even entire families, if one is so inclined).
 
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Yup sure would. Wouldn't stop at one either!

 
04-28-12, 7:52 PM

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Hmm...a no for me...
 
04-28-12, 8:29 PM

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He can be my "whipping boy"
 
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