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Poll: If you could afford it, would you keep a pretty boy as your


04-28-12, 12:08 AM

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I'd keep one if they dressed up like a cute girl for me and wore frilly dresses. No homo.
 
04-28-12, 5:03 AM

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I'd keep one as my maid. I mean, they ARE pretty.

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04-28-12, 5:05 AM

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No, just no.

On the other hand..

You can have one! No, take ten!
That would mean there are more fish for me to catch, or something, harr harr.
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04-28-12, 8:58 AM

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I'm against anything that's devaluing humanity. A no-no for me.

 
04-28-12, 2:20 PM

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Pretty sure a few people are taking this more seriously than it is intended.
 
04-28-12, 2:34 PM

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Dafuq.
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04-28-12, 3:44 PM

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Ambalamps said:
Pretty sure a few people are taking this more seriously than it is intended.


Then post it in Casual Chat, not GD. The OP prefaces the question by describing how natural and common the practice has been in the past; i.e. in reality, real life. I despise social models that allow these things and given that many people are busting their asses to end similar practices today with little success, not everyone can take the question as an amusing 'what if' game.

So for those of you who replied 'yes': why don't you? It is not impossible; it is difficult to smuggle these kids into the US (boat to mexico, from land to us), sure, so you need a lot of money but I am sure a small minority of users in this site can afford them. Besides, many users live in some European countries where trafficking people is easier than smuggling cigarettes through the borders, making it even more feasible to acquire the services of these kids (or even entire families, if one is so inclined).
 
04-28-12, 7:21 PM

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Yup sure would. Wouldn't stop at one either!

 
04-28-12, 7:52 PM

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Hmm...a no for me...
 
04-28-12, 8:29 PM

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He can be my "whipping boy"
 
04-28-12, 8:31 PM

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Video of pretty boys as pets here:
 
04-28-12, 11:20 PM

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hentai_proxy said:
Ambalamps said:
Pretty sure a few people are taking this more seriously than it is intended.


Then post it in Casual Chat, not GD. The OP prefaces the question by describing how natural and common the practice has been in the past; i.e. in reality, real life. I despise social models that allow these things and given that many people are busting their asses to end similar practices today with little success, not everyone can take the question as an amusing 'what if' game.

So for those of you who replied 'yes': why don't you? It is not impossible; it is difficult to smuggle these kids into the US (boat to mexico, from land to us), sure, so you need a lot of money but I am sure a small minority of users in this site can afford them. Besides, many users live in some European countries where trafficking people is easier than smuggling cigarettes through the borders, making it even more feasible to acquire the services of these kids (or even entire families, if one is so inclined).


This is hardly material for a casual chat. I think it fits just fine in here. There you go again taking it seriously.
 
04-29-12, 4:34 AM

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Ambalamps said:
This is hardly material for a casual chat. I think it fits just fine in here. There you go again taking it seriously.


He's just taking things way out of context. It's is not about sex or slavery, so I don't know where he got that idea from. Just don't ask him for a tip ever, ' cause he might perceive that as robbery.
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04-29-12, 5:46 AM

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I'd like to have a big castle with lots and lots of pretty butlers. And a personal cellist.

I'd never de-value them as humans though. We'd all be totally on par and there'd be mutual respect, I'd just pay them to be around. I hope we can all be friends too. xD
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curiouser and curiouser :)
 
04-29-12, 8:27 AM

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I voted for "I'm male and my answer is yes." I don't care about having one but I will set him free because of the cruelty the OP is giving him by making him my own slave. Everyone deserves their freedom.
 
04-29-12, 9:12 AM

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I'm a guy and I voted yes. I'm assuming said pet understood what he was getting himself into and had a say in the matter, and got something in return. Under those circumstances, why not?
 
04-29-12, 1:31 PM

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AlanViBritannia said:
Dafuq.
have i just read?
I just realized half of you have suppressed homosexual feelings.
The rest are females
 
04-29-12, 2:53 PM

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Mouhappai said:
Ambalamps said:
This is hardly material for a casual chat. I think it fits just fine in here. There you go again taking it seriously.


He's just taking things way out of context. It's is not about sex or slavery, so I don't know where he got that idea from. Just don't ask him for a tip ever, ' cause he might perceive that as robbery.


I am sorry if I am misunderstanding something, but you already admitted that these pretty boys can be thought of as property (as pets are, and as people from your initial historical example have been); this is where I got the idea of slavery from. My comments are solely based on that admission. If you are talking about willing people (I loved 'kimi wa petto') then I have no problems at all; and yes, I would accept an invitation from a pretty boy who wanted to be my 'pet'. In quotes. No 'owning' or 'property' or anything. Just games.

Edit: Also, I never explicitly referred to sex, even though I did have it in mind, since the op mentioned concubines. I would also ask you to be less insulting about my replies. Other people are confused, too, although they are less vocal than I am.
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04-29-12, 2:54 PM

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Sorry, I'd rather have a cat or a dog to keep as a pet
in a non sexual way since 3DPD



also, it's not hot if it's not forced
 
04-29-12, 3:25 PM

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I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.
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04-29-12, 3:33 PM

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AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.


Well, I guess the OP's idea of pet is more of the 'kimi wa petto' (look at the manga, it is great) variety, although I could not tell from their posts.
 
04-29-12, 3:49 PM

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AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.


its not that he wants to be my slave. It's just that he willing submits to get something else of value in return. I get a man pet and he gets..whatever, but then I own him. I don't think thats to morally objectionable as long as there was no coersion on my part, or any incredibly unfair societal presure to promote this indentured servitude.
 
04-30-12, 12:07 AM

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Probably.... Not =/...

I Don't See Why Someone Would Desire That O.o ... I Think, A Kitten Will Suffice :P


 
05-02-12, 5:19 AM

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AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.


its not that he wants to be my slave. It's just that he willing submits to get something else of value in return. I get a man pet and he gets..whatever, but then I own him. I don't think thats to morally objectionable as long as there was no coersion on my part, or any incredibly unfair societal presure to promote this indentured servitude.


What is the equivalent for freedom? I certainly don't see what kind of "value" would exist, for which I'd exchange my freedom.

And, would you answer my doubt. What would you need it for?

You stated that you wouldn't do anything incredibly unfair to your "slave", so I guess you don't need him for sexual services?
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05-02-12, 5:47 AM

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They should apply for Miss Universe and pretend that they are girls. I'm sure they'll be best suited and crowned as Miss China/some Asian country. :)
 
05-02-12, 7:40 AM

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AlanViBritannia said:
jiinn said:
AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.


its not that he wants to be my slave. It's just that he willing submits to get something else of value in return. I get a man pet and he gets..whatever, but then I own him. I don't think thats to morally objectionable as long as there was no coersion on my part, or any incredibly unfair societal presure to promote this indentured servitude.


What is the equivalent for freedom? I certainly don't see what kind of "value" would exist, for which I'd exchange my freedom.

And, would you answer my doubt. What would you need it for?

You stated that you wouldn't do anything incredibly unfair to your "slave", so I guess you don't need him for sexual services?


Do you know what a concubine is? Or a slave? Maybe it's because English isn't my first language, but I still don't get how people are thinking about slaves when I specifically and clearly said concubines in my original post. These so-called concubines are fully capable of achieving great power and influence. The most recent case involved a concubine supporting 3 generations of one family through the power of her influence. Now just change the cliche that concubines are always female to possibility of being male, and that is what this topic is about.
 
05-02-12, 8:04 AM

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So the concept of Bishounens/Pretty Boys have existed for thousands of years...
 
05-02-12, 10:17 AM

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Uh? Yeah? I'd rather date then keep locked up as my slave.
And Zero said "Let there be rebellion for the power of the geass is hidden within all of you".
 
05-02-12, 10:22 AM

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Wiki said:
A concubine is generally a woman in an ongoing, marriage-like relationship with a man with whom she cannot be married for a specific reason. It may be because she is of lower social rank than the man (including slave status) or because the man is already married.


I did understand well after all. It's a slave after all. Maybe not the slave as they were back in ancient Egypt (for example), but it's a slave nevertheless. You have "ownership" over someone, it counts them as your slave.

And for third time now, why would you need a concubine? Be it male or female.
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05-02-12, 3:56 PM

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I was going to say no, then I saw the pictures... I let my inner fangirl get the better of me...

But really, I'd rather not keep ANY type of person in my household. I'd rather just have a friend or something who looks like that... BISHIES!!! I LOVE BISHIES!!! *is shot*
 
05-02-12, 9:43 PM

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Mouhappai said:
AlanViBritannia said:
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AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.


its not that he wants to be my slave. It's just that he willing submits to get something else of value in return. I get a man pet and he gets..whatever, but then I own him. I don't think thats to morally objectionable as long as there was no coersion on my part, or any incredibly unfair societal presure to promote this indentured servitude.


What is the equivalent for freedom? I certainly don't see what kind of "value" would exist, for which I'd exchange my freedom.

And, would you answer my doubt. What would you need it for?

You stated that you wouldn't do anything incredibly unfair to your "slave", so I guess you don't need him for sexual services?


Do you know what a concubine is? Or a slave? Maybe it's because English isn't my first language, but I still don't get how people are thinking about slaves when I specifically and clearly said concubines in my original post. These so-called concubines are fully capable of achieving great power and influence. The most recent case involved a concubine supporting 3 generations of one family through the power of her influence. Now just change the cliche that concubines are always female to possibility of being male, and that is what this topic is about.


Ok, so to distinguish between a concubine and slave, let’s ask two questions. How does did these guys become concubines? And how hard is it for them to quit their concubine jobs? In other words, what consequences do they face, not the exceptionally powerful ones but the regular joe concubines, for trying to stop being concubines?
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05-02-12, 9:47 PM

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AlanViBritannia said:
I got nothing against homosexuality, so I don't see a problem on that front. I see problem in the total disregard of basic human rights. There is no way that "this boy is gonna be okay with it". It's not that you are born with wishes to be someone's slave. And if boy was brainwashed, it wouldn't be free will anymore.

And now, on more personal level, I don't see why'd I need a slave? Be it boy slave or girl slave. No need at all.
There are people with BDSM fetishs of being a slave
 
05-02-12, 10:02 PM

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It is having a sex slave. I wouldn't mind having an actual relationship with a pretty boy - but a "concubine" that's just strange and immoral. There is still prostitution and I don't see that as any different from this.
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05-02-12, 10:38 PM

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Hmm I thought it's going to be about those male servants the chinese emperors have to announce wherever the emperor is going. Then they have their dick cut off so they can't sleep with any of the emperor's women. But this pretty boys and beautiful men is something I never heard of.


 
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AlanViBritannia said:
Dafuq.
 
05-03-12, 4:08 AM

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jiinn said:
Ok, so to distinguish between a concubine and slave, let’s ask two questions. How does did these guys become concubines? And how hard is it for them to quit their concubine jobs? In other words, what consequences do they face, not the exceptionally powerful ones but the regular joe concubines, for trying to stop being concubines?


I have no idea, but that would depend on whether the "husband" would allow a divorce with his "wife" with no conditions attached?

At any rate judging by most of the comments here, it would seem the idea of a male concubine just doesn't sit well in the western sense, lol.
 
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jiinn said:
Ok, so to distinguish between a concubine and slave, let’s ask two questions. How does did these guys become concubines? And how hard is it for them to quit their concubine jobs? In other words, what consequences do they face, not the exceptionally powerful ones but the regular joe concubines, for trying to stop being concubines?


1) Does it matter? It is not the way you are made into slave that counts, it's the fact that you are "owned" by someone else. Being a slave means that you have to be in someone's disposal 24/7.
Girls in harems, in Muslim countries, did "enjoy" some benefits, but they were slaves. They called themselves slaves of the ruler, because it's the ruler who has total ownership of the girls.

2) Is it really without consequences? If a slave "wants to quit", and that is fine with the owner, there's no problem. But is it ever that way? Depending on how influential owner is, slave can have serious consequences because of bailing out. Of course, saying that slaves are ever able to actually get out from their agreement.
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AlanViBritannia said:
jiinn said:
Ok, so to distinguish between a concubine and slave, let’s ask two questions. How does did these guys become concubines? And how hard is it for them to quit their concubine jobs? In other words, what consequences do they face, not the exceptionally powerful ones but the regular joe concubines, for trying to stop being concubines?


1) Does it matter? It is not the way you are made into slave that counts, it's the fact that you are "owned" by someone else. Being a slave means that you have to be in someone's disposal 24/7.
Girls in harems, in Muslim countries, did "enjoy" some benefits, but they were slaves. They called themselves slaves of the ruler, because it's the ruler who has total ownership of the girls.

2) Is it really without consequences? If a slave "wants to quit", and that is fine with the owner, there's no problem. But is it ever that way? Depending on how influential owner is, slave can have serious consequences because of bailing out. Of course, saying that slaves are ever able to actually get out from their agreement.


Both of those things matter. I can't do whatever I want at work. Most people feel fairly controlled on the job. But if you decide to take the job and can accept to reasonable hit to your cash flow from leaving then it’s not an evil job and it’s not slavery.

So being a concubine may seem harsh, but if they are not forced to accept the position, and can leave with reasonable consequences then they have decided to become prostitutes of their own free will. The questions not ,“are there consequences for quitting?” It’s, “how serious are the consequences for quitting?”

I know that too may seem wrong, but I have no moral objection to prostitution. I would never go to a prostitute because they have diseases :), but not because of the wrongness of it.
 
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05-03-12, 8:44 AM

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i'm a pretty boy :D SWAG
 
05-03-12, 11:47 AM

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jiinn said:
and can leave with reasonable consequences then they have decided to become prostitutes of their own free will.


By definition of 'being owned' they cannot do that. If your definition of concubine allows them to leave whenever they want by their own will then they are not being owned, they are employed. Here:

Ownership

Employment
 
05-03-12, 12:40 PM

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Thats why I was asking.
 
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I might have understood it bad, because I didn't consider concubines being prostitutes.
If you pay concubines and they are free to leave whenever they are, it is not owning it's employing, as someone said above.

But throughout the history, concubines weren't allowed to leave without any consequences (usually consequence being death lol). In that manner, it's pure owning of a person.

Now, tell me, which of these two types did you have in mind while creating this thread?
1) Employed person which will do anything (not immoral) for you.
2) Concubine which can enter your agreement freely but basically never leave.
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05-03-12, 5:17 PM

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I'd love to have a beautiful male be my slave. But that's not very realistic, now is it?
 
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I'd love to have a beautiful male be my slave. But that's not very realistic, now is it?


Realistic? This is an anime and manga forum. :)
 
05-06-12, 1:04 AM

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No, I'd rather have a guy, pretty or not, to genuinely like me as person, and not for my riches.
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05-06-12, 4:38 AM

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Definitely not, I couldn't really respect a man who lived like that, so I couldn't have one around.
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05-06-12, 12:39 PM

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A harem of shota concubines? Yes please.
 
05-06-12, 6:37 PM

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Yes I would. And I probably have sex with him too.


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06-26-12, 11:19 PM

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I was going for answer choice number 3, but then switched to 5. This is rediculous.
 
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