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Apr 27, 2012 1:48 AM

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Starting to remind me of Phantom Requiem. sooo many WTF bullshit moments but still really fun to watch.
 
Apr 27, 2012 2:27 AM

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The shootout was pure garbage... shame for an anime thats focusing on weapons.
 
Apr 27, 2012 3:15 AM

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Morthoseth said:
The shootout was pure garbage... shame for an anime thats focusing on weapons.
I think the Anime Upotte!! is much more focused on weapon.. This Anime rarely explain the spec of the weapon.
 
Apr 27, 2012 4:15 AM

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I find the shooting scenes very enjoyable. Love the show so far.


 
Apr 27, 2012 5:47 AM

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Awesome episode. Gunfight was great
 
Apr 27, 2012 7:06 AM

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Ridiculous gunfight. D: But I guess it does follow the manga nicely, so no point in complaining. Anyway, it was entertaining. Sayaka-san, your Valmet voice is absolutely lovely. <3

I'm so tempted to read the manga now and find out what happened to Valmet in the past and how she got that eye-patch >.<
 
Apr 27, 2012 1:55 PM

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and again this show became better,

Jonah doing math is so funny :)
 
Apr 27, 2012 2:15 PM

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Glad I'm not the only one who thought the gunfight this episode was kinda poorly portrayed ... especially Jonah's suicidal charge directly into the face of a firing AK-47 on full auto. You'd think a richochet or stray shot at least would've had a good chance of hitting him, much less with the guy firing directly at him the whole time. Especially considering he later got two police snipers a few minutes later with headshots from well further away. OK, he was under fire himself and shooting around a tower shield, but they could've at least shown the bullets whizzing by millimeters from Jonah's screaming face.

Despite that (and no real indication of why Lehm decided not to take the clear shot on both of them when he first took position), I'm still digging this show. I don't have a horse in the anime v manga debate, since I don't read manga before I watch the anime for this specific reason. And it's apparently a direct enough translation I probably wouldn't need to.

Apparently Jonah was not told there would be math on this exam ;) 3 x 14 = 42, I actually missed the Douglas Adams reference (if such was made, it could've just been a random number). Amusing, I wonder if he has a learning problem or if he's just bad at maths.
 
Apr 27, 2012 6:26 PM

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I think that Lehm didn't shoot because he wanted more fun with them. It's just his type. He loves hunting. His gun was fully loaded in that scene, so it's probably this.

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Apr 27, 2012 9:38 PM

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Why did this episode remind me of Trigun?
 
Apr 27, 2012 10:21 PM

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Well, it's interesting that some people refer The number 42 from the answer 14x3=42. Since Jonah has been a child soldier probably in a west asia and never been to school, he answered "a lot." But I noticed the difference between the manga and the anime.

In the manga chapter 6 ("Musica ex Machina" arc), Valmet says "There are fourteen of them on there." So the original author, Keitarou Takahashi, made that three airplanes have 14 wheels.

BUT in anime, Valmet surely says "22 (nijuu-ni)". English subtitle is wrong. I guess the number was changed so as to follow the actual number of the wheels on airplane. According to this article, Airbus A380 has 22 wheels.

It's not big deal, but did the author write 14x3 on purpose? Was there any reason? What do you guys think?
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Apr 27, 2012 11:20 PM

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Hmmm, if she actually said (in Japanese) 22, then it was probably the subbers making a Hitchhikers' Guide joke. Or they thought the proper number of wheels on a plane actually was 14, and they fixed the 'mistake' figuring people watching the fansub wouldn't pay attention to the actual number stated.

In retrospect, after looking at how hard it is to actually hit someone with sustained full-auto fire, much less done around an obstacle and from the hip, I'd have to say Jonah's chances of not getting hit did increase dramatically. Granted, Jonah's head-on charge is actually the way he could have best assured that he WOULD get hit, since all Jaws would've had to've done is stopped firing madly for a second to get the recoil under control and just sweep the kid's legs out from under him with a spray. Even if the recoil drove it up he'd probably get a center mass shot even with a wild spray. But clearly neither Jonah nor Jaws was thinking clearly at the time, both of them busy screaming and firing automatic weapons at each other.
 
Apr 28, 2012 3:43 AM

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Finally got a feel for this anime, man i love the Tori/Kimi Aoi smile that Koko and the other characters seem to be rocking. Also " You get free hatred for everything you sell. I've amassed a real supply & would like to sell...but no one wants to buy it from me" that was hilariously awesome.

As for the shootout, i'll let my boy Jules explain it for you guys.



Seriously the car chase in the very first ep was a dead giveaway that a realistic portrayal of gun fights is not what they're going for here.
 
Apr 28, 2012 11:47 AM

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sarroush said:
Yumekichi11 said:

All in all I can say stupid fucking staff at the studio. Makes no sense why they would do this to drag shit around. Just kill the SOB team to move to other enemies? How hard is to understand viewers would love to see many bad guys to be shot and variations. Don’t drag the shit. I noticed it a lot in animes nowadays.



It has nothing to do with the staff. That's how the manga plays out. If "Teacher"/Shisho were to die during that gun fight a lot of scenes would be cut out. And given that they have been following the manga really well up to now, I doubt that will happen anytime soon. And at the time Lehm was probably more worried about Valmet's injury and Koko escaping, since he knew they would be capable of finding Chinatsu and Shisho eventually.


That's exactly what I was thinking. They follow the manga, so it's not the anime producers fault. I mean maybe they could have worked around it to seem more real, but who knows what really goes on behind the scenes.

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Ridiculous gunfight. D: But I guess it does follow the manga nicely, so no point in complaining. Anyway, it was entertaining. Sayaka-san, your Valmet voice is absolutely lovely. <3

I'm so tempted to read the manga now and find out what happened to Valmet in the past and how she got that eye-patch >.<


Yeah that part is in there as well. Except the team stopped subbing a while back, but maybe since an anime came out they will start back up.
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Apr 28, 2012 7:35 PM

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I think I'm in agreement with most people here about the firearm physics going on here. Most of shooters (both sides) would have been dead if they carried on like they did. Oh well, that's the entertainment industry, you don't want to kill off your main characters except near the end.

Enjoy it while we can.
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Apr 28, 2012 9:43 PM

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i always said that snipers were noobs and this episode proves it! LOL
 
Apr 29, 2012 11:14 AM

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Chinatsu is god damn awesome, she's cute and crazy too. Hoping she'll come out of this alive. This show just keeps on getting better tbh.

Dno how Jonah came out that alive, but that fight was pretty cool.
 
Apr 30, 2012 4:45 AM

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Episode after episode this anime give me alot amusement , The art is the biggest problem here I barely know the characters, thanks to hair color, They people who read the manga how poor they are xD.
 
Apr 30, 2012 4:47 AM

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This anime is getting better and better.
It's really good for a seinen considering my age.
 
Apr 30, 2012 4:53 PM

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The worst was how he shot those two cops in the top of the building but couldn't shoot the kid running at him.
moving object are more harder to hit compare to stand still object?
Jona is a mountain soldier,maybe moving skillfully to avoid bullet can be one of his skill .He is a fast runner ='P
(Jona's past will be revealed later )

True that moving objects are hard to hit, but Jonah was running straight towards them (when zig zaging would have been realistically better in order to avoid those bullets). Plus, let´s not forget that Lehm´s intervention part was really dangerous, since if Chinatsu hadn´t stopped the Orquesta dude´s shooting, we would have had a swiss cheese shota right now.
Still enjoying the series so far, though ^_^
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May 2, 2012 6:16 AM

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I really enjoyed the gun fight in this episode
 
May 2, 2012 7:01 PM

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As much as I appreciate more Chinatsu since she's awesome, the gunfight was retarded. That one guy who looks like Sully from Uncharted (can't remember his name) had multiple chances to shoot both of the Orchestra guys in the back with his pistol but he didn't take any of those opportunities.

When he did finally fire, he essentially shouted "HEY GUYS I'M ABOUT TO SHOOT YOU SO YOU BETTER PROTECT YOURSELF" and gave them plenty of time to raise the riot shield to protect themselves.

Not only that, but sharkman can shoot two snipers (who seemingly just sat there watching the fight rather than actually trying to fire) at that distance perfectly, but can't hit a kid running in a straight line towards them? I'm fine with movie logic usually but that's just going too far.

God damn it. The first couple of episodes were great fun and entertaining, but this was a massive let down. Even Black Lagoon didn't pull this shit to such a ridiculous level and that was obviously a huge source of inspiration for this series.
 
May 3, 2012 4:48 AM

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I have my problems with the shoot-out, but it was a good episode apart from that. And I actually like the Chinatsu. 4/5.
 
May 3, 2012 6:47 PM

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I like this episode but that shoot-out was really bad.
 
May 4, 2012 2:44 AM

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The women are so fucking amazing in this anime. Valmet and her crush on Koko is adorable.

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That one guy who looks like Sully from Uncharted

lmfao best comparison ever.
 
May 16, 2012 9:50 AM

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Jonah x Koko all the way!!!~ *.*/ <333
 
Jun 16, 2012 2:56 PM

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its strange, i don't think i know what this series is actually trying to be, its a bit slow paced for an action, i hope that becomes a factor of originality that i like about it
 
Jun 22, 2012 11:35 PM

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im trying to love this series soo much because it has guns and shit but FUCK! its like the ak47s bullets took a 90 degree angle split instantly as soon as it cam out of the barrel. LIKE WATTAFUCK!!!
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Jun 22, 2012 11:37 PM

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and dont get me started with those poor unfortunate snipers that got BOOM HEADSHOT! raaaawwr
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Jun 27, 2012 3:11 PM

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I would go out with her.


Sorry to break it to you, kiddo, but she isn't real.
 
Jul 3, 2012 10:37 AM

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Jonah + Koko...Oh, I love it ^__^
Jonah is so cute :3
 
Jul 13, 2012 2:41 PM

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>can't hit a single bullet on a kid who's running straight to him like an idiot
>headshot on two snipers hidden on the building's roof


makes sense
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Aug 8, 2012 7:04 AM

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If you haven't dropped this series after this 3rd EP, you're lying to yourself about how good this piece of shit anime is.
 
Sep 30, 2012 6:14 AM

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no logic here,but dont really care.
 
Oct 1, 2012 2:32 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Shoot out was intense although silly at times. Also, I find it funny Jonah was running guns blazing in the open and not get hit once. Usual movie shootout logic.


There was quite alot of nonsense in this episode.

Lutz was standing perfectly to the side of those two, but instead of shooting them dead, he is calling for backup?

And the bad guys can't hit Jonah, but they can hit snipers 5 stories up?

Lots of nonsense...

still like the show though.
 
Oct 18, 2012 3:29 PM

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Ah, it's so nice to watch this again! I'm glad I decided to pick up where I left; I've read almost the whole manga, but for once I like the anime better. Dunno why, but it keeps a better hold of my attention.

Koko kissing Jonah on the cheek was nice, although I'm still all for Koko x Valmet.
 
Jan 13, 2013 9:05 PM

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Chinatsu is a very interesting character. Love them eyes. :)
 
Apr 12, 2013 3:03 PM

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Another awesome episode, love the Orchestra girl she has personality. Or maybe it was the OP where she was w/o panties? oh well.
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Apr 22, 2013 5:55 PM

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Pretty great episode.
Chinatsu is growing me. Has that same smile as Koko and cute.Ha they tell her she don't have panties.
Johnan is badass by trying to shoot him by running. He looks like Riley from boondocks a little lol.
That gun magic at the beginning was very great.
5/5
 
Jun 21, 2013 11:39 PM

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no panties yumm
 
Jan 10, 2014 1:37 PM

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Even Dark skinned characters can blush in anime.
 
Jan 15, 2014 10:14 PM

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That Chinatsu is.... something..
 
Feb 20, 2014 1:54 AM

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Jesus Christ please don't become another promising series ruined by shit gunfights like Black Lagoon.

This gunfight was pretty atrocious, I can't stand people standing out in the open and not getting shot. Not to mention charging straight at someone who has a riot shield and an assault rifle would NEVER fucking work. It's not entertaining to watch like a well thought out gunfight, it's just stupid. Anyone else notice that when Big guy ran out of ammo and dropped the riot shield, Jonah and whats-his-face just fucking sat there for no reason instead of shooting them in the goddamn back? YOU MAKE NO SENSE.

Oh, and this:
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Not only that, but sharkman can shoot two snipers (who seemingly just sat there watching the fight rather than actually trying to fire) at that distance perfectly
 
Apr 14, 2014 7:30 PM

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Awesome episode ... Orchestra eh? Yeah, Chinatsu certainly is ... interesting :P Obsessed with making "music" out of people's screams and stuff eh ... well they've got some pretty freaking cool weapons to go along with it at least? XD
Jonah skipping his classes ... tsk tsk! Following Koko and Valmet on their date eh? Well I guess it's a good thing he did ... since they were being targeted by Orchestra D: Jonah trying to protect Koko was super cute though :3
Logic because hitting snipers from so far away ... and then not getting hit while Jonah was charging at him LOL XD Yeah, important people are never really hit are they :P Still, awesome and fun to watch ... not to mention some pretty sweet BGM to go with it :D
 
Jan 9, 2015 10:34 AM

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ha shes naked under that skirt and dam that was brutal. In still would have looked even if she lacked the assests i wanted. Boo school work. ok no panties girls has a thing for shark mouth. Johna getting cheek kiss was a bit weird and it always seems cops suck at these situations. The gun fight was pretty cool and the back and forth talking was entertaining.
 
Jan 19, 2015 1:23 PM

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"Gunfire is a symphony of farts."

This show kind of seems like a poor man's version of Black Lagoon, but every once in a while it pulls off something laugh-out-loud hilarious.
 
Mar 14, 2015 3:29 PM

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That shootout was ridiculous, Jonah 'dodging' all the bullets coming his way while Valmet on the other hand managed to get hit after a couple of bullets.

Still, its anime...
 
Apr 24, 2015 7:44 PM

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As much as I appreciate more Chinatsu since she's awesome, the gunfight was retarded. That one guy who looks like Sully from Uncharted (can't remember his name) had multiple chances to shoot both of the Orchestra guys in the back with his pistol but he didn't take any of those opportunities.

When he did finally fire, he essentially shouted "HEY GUYS I'M ABOUT TO SHOOT YOU SO YOU BETTER PROTECT YOURSELF" and gave them plenty of time to raise the riot shield to protect themselves.

Not only that, but sharkman can shoot two snipers (who seemingly just sat there watching the fight rather than actually trying to fire) at that distance perfectly, but can't hit a kid running in a straight line towards them? I'm fine with movie logic usually but that's just going too far.

God damn it. The first couple of episodes were great fun and entertaining, but this was a massive let down. Even Black Lagoon didn't pull this shit to such a ridiculous level and that was obviously a huge source of inspiration for this series.


This pretty much sums up everything I came in here to say. I've learned to accept things like this but it's still annoying.
 
Sep 1, 2015 3:16 PM

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Quite liked the action in this episode! Looking forward to see what's next!
 
Nov 18, 2015 11:50 PM

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For an anime featuring guns basically as the main theme, running straight ahead into an ak-47 and not getting a single scratch after almost an entire clip is just downright silly. Interesting premises for the show, but these guys should at least look like they can shift into evasive maneuvers during gun fights :l


 
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