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Another amazing episode! I am very happy to see Kayneth. I was rooting for him a lot in S1 and missed him somewhat. It’s those faces he had during his fight with Emiya and TBH I really though the guy was plain CHEAP ASS the way he ended his fight with Kayneth last season. Revenge would be nice.

The joy of seeing Kayneth be happy in the following,

OH THE JOY! I was happy to see his old self there even for a little. While in the spoiler his other faces were refreshing to see.


What Maiya did to Kayneth's wife with the hand is SICK! Cut out a arm? The spoiler clearly shows all that. It was sick really. Poor her, how the fuck did it amend to such a result is beyond me despite the Chaotic situation at that time. WTF really happened in that part? It looked to go so fast by. Did they take out some parts from that segment for gore or shit like that? That was still sick shit among other shits in this series of being sick such as was with Caster. So how sick is Maiya exactly? As sick as trained guerillas in her ways?

The fight in the following,

Starts! It’s HOT! Once gain the heat of excitement of fighting is back once again. And I will leave it as I LIVE FOR THIS! I am sure I am not the only one and I am not the only that can truly feel alive and proud of how amazing it has been for this series with everyone. Truly even those last words cannot describe of how amazing and shocking was this episode itself. Particularly in regards to WTF Maiya did to Kayneth’s wife.

BTW I managed to do a pic dumb and Image Stitches in my BLOG:
http://ecchiking99.blogspot.ca/2012/04/pic-test.html
For anyone wanting them. They are HD 720p and some parts of my BLOG are NSFW so don’t go elsewhere than this post.

End and beginning Kayneth/Lancer pics in the spoiler

It finally dawned on me why Saber is such a central character in this series (beside her significant role in the successor of this anime Fate/Stay Night, of course). Every prominent servant has a different attitude towards her, once again shown in this episode. Rider thinks of her as an foolish girl who has been mislead by her dreams, someone he can only look down on, while this apparent foolishness and the tragic of Saber's nature makes her appealing to Archer in the first place. Lancer seems to be only one who shares her ideals. Caster, by perceiving her as Joanne, painted her as a pure and sacred woman. Berserker obviously has yet another point of view as one can see by his contempt towards Saber.

There's no other servants the viewer gets a more differenciated and multilayered image from than Saber and she is the one that causes the other servant to become vocal about their own guide lines and principles. In this way she becomes the character everything revolves around by default, though I have no doubts it was intentional since the writer probably realized how controversial her personality and the confict potential it bears.

Another bloody amazing episode.



Meh, Kayneth is still alive and kicking. That damn bastard <_<



Dat rematch between Lancer/Saber ^_^








A lot of deaths this episode but bloody good overall.

Being Lancer is suffering.

Kayneth's wife? I thought it's his fiance.

So sad to see Lancer's death by Kiritsugu's plan. How I wanted to see how this serious battle against Saber and him end!

I just think of her like that cause they are about to be together or were since the beginning, hence couple in my mind. But yes only fiancée she is but still means they get married anyway.

epic ep. fucked up lancer moment :( did like him cursing the world as he died. saber mad. kiritsugu ftl?

A part of me loved this episode, another part of me hated what Kiritsugu did to Kayneth, Sola and Lancer.

Poor Lancer-kun, he was treated like scum, he was betrayed by his master and in the end he couldn't even finish the fight he promised to Saber. It was sad seeing him go that way.

And then Kiritsugu making Maiya kill Kayneth and Sola. Kiritsugu really is a monster who will do anything for get his hands on the grail. I bet if Saber wasn't bound by a contract she wouldn't have minded to kill Kiritsugu right away.

And this is why Kiritsugu is my favorite character in Fate/Zero.
Though being Lancer and Kayneth sure is suffering.
Amazing episode once again, though it seems they left out some more parts in here, specifically Kirei's part. For the BD again or will it just be mentioned in passing next episode? That part is kind of needed for Kirei's development. Oh well.
And my god, the preview for the next episode. That time already? That time already.
Seems like it's correct that by episode 17, everything will change.
Looking forward to the next episode.

inb4 Kiritsugu fans vs Kayneth fans

Awesome episode, too fucking exhausted to say anymore, but it really was good. Saber blows at arguing, as to why, it's in the signature.

Ahhh a great episode. Great adaptation to the events of the novel....well with one exception. They skipped the part where Kirei discovers his father's corpse in the chapel and "mourns" over it. Hopefully they will do it either in the next episode or an uncut re-run. I mean, that was an extremely powerful scene and to just skip over it just completely glosses over a part of Kirei's character development.

On another note, Kiritsugu is cold as hell. I've always seen him as more on an "ends justify the means" type of person. All of his actions can be seen as cold and heartless but in the end he's just the type that will do whatever is possible to reach his goal...which bites back at him in the end.

On the topic of Kayneth, Sola and Lancer. Death with no form of salvation for any of them. Urobuchi, you magnificent bastard. :3 But that was definitely cruel for each of them. Sola died never knowing what happened. Lancer, the only one whose ideals were similar to Saber, dies cursing everyone around him. Well, it was painful for him to be betrayed by his lord a second time and all of the actions that took place around him go completely against his ideals. Kayneth....well he was kinda crazy but I still can't help but feel that he didn't deserve this much.

There seems to be a connecting theme throughout this anime/novel. There is no such thing as true salvation or catharsis (that's the word I was looking for :3). That and death is a bitch. :p The first one plays throughout with only a few exceptions. Caster (debatable),
{Light Novel Spoilers. Do not read if you do not want to be spoiled. :3}

Another great episode.


Judging by the preview, it seems like they've decided to shuffle all of the Kirei scenes, up until the beginning of Volume 4, into one episode. That scene would be impossible not to include due to its direct relevance to a major plot point.

I don't know about the people but does anyone thinking a deep, disgusting cruel painful and agonizing death for Maiya for what she did this episode? It's so lingering me now more than ever. RAGE! It was inevitable but now I just want some really bad shit to happen to Maiya. Am I the only one?

Lancer.. :/ That was just sad. Why does my favorite character always have to die in these things. I knew he was going to die.. didn't think it would be so brutal..

My disappointment isn't directed to Maiya, instead, it is directed to Kiritsugu. For me Maiya seems to be a woman who lacks any kind of free will and only does what Kiritsugu orders. I doubt Maiya would have come with such a plan like that.

This. I do think that she did ir because it was Kiritsugu's order.

This was very deep. Really hated how Lancer went out, but I suppose it had to be done. :'(

I believe the next episode is still under volume 3.
Given the amount of happenings that will transpire next episode, I don't think they will be able to fit the missing part in this episode fully in the next episode and will just be mentioned by Tokiomi since it's very relevant for later. But well, I was expecting it here. I guess time constraints is the reason and will just be in the BD like the one in episode 11.

In regard to the issue of honour I think it can be safely said that Saber and Kiritsugu represent two different approaches how to bring salvation to humanity. While Saber got criticized a lot for her idealistic views by participants of the war and audience alike, this episode's events most likely casted a cloud about Kiritsugu, who was commended for his pragmatic measures previously, as the cruelty of his ways in order to achieve his goals is directly shown to the viewer this time.

Even though it seems like the intention of the writer is to deprive values like honour of its worth, the exact opposite way of thinking depicted by Kiritsugu gets second-guessed as well. While noble and honorable behaviour gets called illusionary and foolish (I think it goes without saying that most of the viewers share this attitude as most agreed with Rider and were annoyed by Saber's and Lancer's persistence to follow honorable ideals during their fights) one has to wonder if it's really commendable to live in a world where ruthlessness and cold pragmatics prevail (though I suppose this is the case in many places).

They pretty much need to include that scene, because...

(Light Novel Spoiler - Do Not Read Unless You've Read All of Fate Zero)