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Jacut said: Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season) Sure, if by "dark, cruel and gritty" you mean a generic shonen. I'll take Jormungand's playful tone over Zetman any day of the week, thank you. At least it isn't pretending to be a seinen. |
Nasty001 said: They were not patriot but SAMS of long range proportions. What the other guy sold WAS SHIT! It did not lock on properly cause the launcher were used and did not work right I assume. The internal components at least.Weapons trivia: The patriot missile was once used by the Americans in 1991 during Dessert Storm and it is still used today, however it is useless without the following equipment: AN/MPQ53 radar to detect any incoming planes or missile, OE349 Antenna to calculate the bearing and to lock on to the target and EPP III Electric power plant to supply power to the radar, antenna and the missile launcher. |
| Is it only me or everybody is waiting for those ost cd to come out. All the soundtracks are awesome. I just keep on playing the anime to listen to them. Anyway regarding the anime it's just getting started so I can't wait for next episodes and Koko's unpredictable decisions ; D. |
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| i'm enjoying this far more then the last time even if there wasn't dudes dying all over the place i just liked the interaction with two arms dealers and how they were constantly trying to get out of this deal haha, and Mildred pretty cool she carries way to many knives but shes funny. can't wait to see what other dealers they run into and i just noticed a 2nd season in the works so that's a plus! |
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| koko badass and music / sound is great to be honest :) so comic parts and I love dark shows, I was waiting for that, but to be honest is well executed at the moment :) I wish they continues with their awesomness! |
| You make a decent point about M*A*S*H etc (I'm especially fond of 'Allo 'Allo) but what makes them different is that they claim to be comedies, and they don't really have a serious aspect to them. There is never any attempt to be taken seriously. What wars have in common is that they're about humans killing each other. Usually, to do this they dehumanise each other and spread hateful propaganda- if this happens on a large enough scale for long enough - a conflict becomes a war and inevitably innocent civilians are dragged in. Jormungand's mistake is its decision to portray realistic cold blooded conflict along side all the Moe, comedy and usual anime cliches which don't really fit in such a setting. Black lagoon (as a show that portrays violence) is much more honest about its subject matter - yes it can be funny but at no point does it insist that they are anything more than criminals. I'm going to watch because I'm interested in the sort of morality shows like this want to portray and there has yet to be a decent anime about paramilitaries/weapons dealers, I think the Japanese still have quite a twisted sense of right and wrong, which is offset by all the brainwashing they underwent post ww2. Koko's second name is a bit inflammatory, she's named after a prolific warlord (wanted and still at large). |
| Main reason i watch this anime: KOKO |
| Koko is amazing. Im loving this anime. It is better than black lagoon for sure. |
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| Amazing episode just like the first one, actually this one was even better IMO. The whole ValmetxKoko scene was both cute and funny. The new characters are pretty amazing too, esecially Mildred. I laughed at nearly every scene she was in. Not to mention that the knife fight was epic. I loved that Mildred was double wielding them, that's somthing I've always found amazing and beautiful (hopefully, I'll learn it someday). I also love that they focus on weapons a lot, since that's one of the reasons why I started watching it. TBH I was kinda worried that it would be like K-On! in terms of focus (aka on fun/business rather than the expected focus). Koko definitely makes this anime but I think it wouldn't be the same without any of the characters. I mean, Jonah plays an important (and usually funny, in a serious way) role since he is both mysterious and a newbie so we can get everything explained through him. Valmet also plays an important role to give us a better look a Koko (as well as fanservice to some). I'm trying to say that the show would be much worse if it was only Koko. About it being too light considering it's about war. Koko isn't a soldier, actually, it's quite obvious that she is doing her best to AVOID being on the war field. That can be seen from trying run away from there AND when she used that other arms dealer to get away. So, it can't show you the cruelty of war since SHE is doing her best not to be in the middle of it. |
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| Loved the ep. Very enjoyable series so far. <3 koko |
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| Haha I take life a bit too seriously ahneeme, your criticism is valid. I'm bang in the middle of revision for my finals atm, every time I post here I'm literally dragging my head out of a tort law textbook XD. Morality is something I've always been curious about though because some people's morals have these odd little flaws that their own sanity forces them to ignore, for example back home my dogs eat better than a great deal of people in this world but I'm not especially bothered by it. Ah right, I'm being serious agian aren't I 0_0 |
| "We are the bigger team" I laughed so hard at that part XD |
| Real Hell is inside a person-Ai Enma (Jigoku Shoujo Mitsuganae) Do you know where hell is? Inside your head-Chrona (Soul Eater)  |
| Great 2nd episode, best anime of the season so far (not including Fate/Zero of course). |
| To some, war IS a comedy. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
ahneeme said: apatch3 said: Jormungand's mistake is its decision to portray realistic cold blooded conflict along side all the Moe, comedy and usual anime cliches which don't really fit in such a setting. Black lagoon (as a show that portrays violence) is much more honest about its subject matter - yes it can be funny but at no point does it insist that they are anything more than criminals. I'm going to watch because I'm interested in the sort of morality shows like this want to portray and there has yet to be a decent anime about paramilitaries/weapons dealers, I think the Japanese still have quite a twisted sense of right and wrong, which is offset by all the brainwashing they underwent post ww2. Koko's second name is a bit inflammatory, she's named after a prolific warlord (wanted and still at large). Hakuromatsu's first comment about comedy in war was tatless but you're being way too serious about this. You're bringing in brainwashing, WW2, Sudan, and you're using all of that to just to see what sort of morality an ANIME has. I have no problem with people who like to take their anime seriously, but wow. Lol he also saw Moe? Where the fuck was that? There was no moe it was just some comedic moments. And despite those the show isn't a comedy, it's just not a heavy type of show. Also the discussion about comedy in war is ridiculous. This is an arms dealer, she's not fighting some war of attrition, to her it's a job that makes good money and she even seems to enjoy, actually she avoids getting involve in direct war as much as she can as the purpose is to do business not fight herself. She has and the show has all the space to show her little playful stuff attitude since she ain't a soldier in the first line of fire trying to show us the tragedies of such position. Also maybe you don't know but soldiers when not fighting really do gags and jokes with each other. you can't survive otherwise. Actually you may even joke even more like a reaction to the serious fighting at other hours. If those where shown in anime it would seem like war comedy. Koko's looney attitude is nothing to be overwhelmed by, when i was in the army we had all kind of crazy guys, including my self who was going by the nickname of "Psycho". When the world goes crazy around you, you go crazy too. Also you should notice the antithesis of Koko of how he changes modes from serious to looney, that's a clear characteristic of many people in such crazy positions and works. I had a similar attitude. I don't have the style of Koko of course but i could be joking one minute and getting all ready to gouge your eyes out the next. Also i can't see how this ain't honest. It never claimed that this people are heroes of justice or anything. Having their little quirks means that the anime claims they ain't hard immoral weapon dealers? Actually this episode showed that Koko isn't playing some hero role at all by immediately selling out the other guy to get killed so her group can escape easily. How is that making them look like nice guys? |
MonadApr 20, 2012 4:50 AM
| I am loving this anime's light and jokey mood, it was unexpected but its making this a lot more enjoyable. Lol Koko completely trolled the hell outta those other guys, her personality is great. And the peoples facial reactions are cool. |
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| About to drop this in 1-3 more eps. Nearly fell asleep on this episode |
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| Moe doesn't have to mean lucky star Monad, one is perfectly capable of describing the scenes where koko act cutesy and insane as moe (scenes that are supposed to make her character more appealing/lovable). QUOTE: This is an arms dealer, she's not fighting some war of attrition, to her it's a job that makes good money and she even seems to enjoy, actually she avoids getting involve in direct war as much as she can as the purpose is to do business not fight herself. In which case drug dealers are innocent, as long as they don't do drugs themselves? What exactly are you trying to imply? Are you saying that because she doesn't get involved directly she's entitled to believe in faries and butterflies? Soldiers are free to joke around mate that isn't the trouble, the show becomes dishonest when A) people have knife fights for no apparent reason other than to please the audience,l( people who are on a mission have bigger concerns and tend not to act like children). B) Koko Hekmatyar is a woman (who for some reason hasn't been repeatedly raped by any of her clients - who are all wonderful people I'm sure). C) The second group of arms dealers IS LEFT ALIVE after killing two of the rebels D) THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER. Forgive me for expressing an opinion that isn't along the lines of "OO YEAH I LOVE THIS SHOW". I don't know what sort of world you live in but perhaps you've never met an illegal arms dealer? Perhaps you think people would actually buy weapons from somebody who dances around flailing their arms to and fro? I really don't know. Thank you for your input "Psycho" |
| This episode was FUCKING awesome. Oh man how I'm loving Valmet more now. That fight scene was perfect with the music. The action in this Anime reminds me a lot of American action films like The Bourne Ultimatum. Koko and co. betraying the other guys was soooo dog but such a witty thing to do. xD Really loving Jormungand at the moment. A combination of seriousness, action and even fitting in some comedy. Fuck yeah. :D 5/5 |
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| Koko is a pretty nice character |
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apatch3 said: In which case drug dealers are innocent, as long as they don't do drugs themselves? What exactly are you trying to imply? Are you saying that because she doesn't get involved directly she's entitled to believe in faries and butterflies? Entitled? What she's entitled is irrelevant, what matters is that she has the comfort to do so. And you asking about her innocence seems stupid when that was answer in the last paragraph of the post you are replying to. At NO POINT did the show claimed this are nice guys, Koko's attitude comes from being a little looney, that has nothing to do with innocence. apatch3 said: Soldiers are free to joke around mate that isn't the trouble, the show becomes dishonest when A) people have knife fights for no apparent reason other than to please the audience,l( people who are on a mission have bigger concerns and tend not to act like children). B) Koko Hekmatyar is a woman (who for some reason hasn't been repeatedly raped by any of her clients - who are all wonderful people I'm sure). C) The second group of arms dealers IS LEFT ALIVE after killing two of the rebels D) THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER. Dishonest? Huh let me laugh. This ain't some war drama for freaking sake, pull your head out of your ass and realize that already. So they exaggerated by making them use deadly knifes in a relatively friendly fight. So what? Black Lagoon has a tone of exaggerations in it too, every freaking action movie has exaggerations, why is this one being condemned about it? Of course it wants to provide entrainment, you are again criticizing with a mentality of "it must be serious war drama stuff". Well get over it, not everything having people shooting each other is all serious and heavy and that goes for many many many shows. Many times even life ain't all heavy and serious ether. b) Why isn't she getting raped? Has your brain melted or something? What stupid question is that? Why would she be getting raped? News flash, first not everyone is a rapist, whether they are nice guys or not and second she's obviously still fine for the same reason she can sell guns. Because she has people working for her(wtf do you think are those guys on her team their for?) and connections needed and respected by others. I can't believe you ask such a stupid thing. c) so they managed to escape after some gun-shooting exchange. "OMG! why haven't they died!!! It will make this all so more war serious, oh the agony!!!! " It seems to me you're just looking for excuses to hate the show. So what if they managed to escape? Big shit. We have seen worse escaping of near death situations from 99% of action anime, what's big deal if they managed to escape? And imagine it was already said that the team surrounding the facility was small and showed that the guys with the gun dealers are quite the elite. |
MonadApr 20, 2012 5:29 AM
| Sure it's weird from a "realism" perspective that the other team survived. But, cosidering how much they were built up in this episode and will obviously have a role to play in the future, it would have been stupid from a storytelling perspective to just kill them off like that. I was pretty convinced they'd survive anyway. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
insan3soldiern said: Sure it's weird from a "realism" perspective that the other team survived. But, cosidering how much they were built up in this episode and will obviously have a role to play in the future, it would have been stupid from a storytelling perspective to just kill them off like that. I was pretty convinced they'd survive anyway. Nice to see someone getting it. When you create something like an anime it's not about pleasing everyone who has a problem with every little shitty detail and statistical chances based on the real world but making a proper writing that entertains and doesn't aggravate the viewer with too much stupidity. Those obviously will appear in some other episode seeing how they got a good enough development time, it would have been stupid to let them die there and the fact of their escape is not such an extreme event that will make you feel the writer went all crazy. I get the feeling those who where annoyed by it only realized their escape when they saw them in the last minute in the air-board and thought that it was an absolute impossible to get out of it situation which shows they are not even individuals that place good attention to what they watch. They didn't notice that it was noted that the guys surrounding the place weren't many and they didn't notice a soldier reporting to that mayor guy that the small-team fought it's way out and they didn't manage to get them. |
MonadApr 20, 2012 10:41 AM
Jalasupi said: koko badass and music / sound is great to be honest :) Amen to that. Another great reason to watch this series tbh. |
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| Like many said, i really like the soundtrack as well, for me one of the best lately. A question on the same topic, does anyone know the name and or band of the song that was played when they sold out the other team and escaped at the end? |
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| Monad - I'm not hating on the show I'm watching it just like everybody else - I was just pointing out some of the things that have been done for the sake of entertainment value which in turn lead to the anime being a dishonest representation of war and also make the plot less believable (something that many people care about when they're watching something that has a half serious plot) I agree with you Black Lagoon had many exaggerations in it as well (although the atmosphere was more honest)l, a lot of anime is full of exaggerations and omissions for example initial D doesn't represent the fact that people frequently die while street racing. Exaggerations are quite necessary in certain cases but a good writer will make sure they are less obvious. YOU'VE ADMITTED THAT WHAT I'VE POINTED OUT IS UNREALISTIC, you are entitled to your opinion that the entertainment value of the show overshadows all of this - and I am entitled to opine that this leads to the plot becoming less believable. What people look for when they watch something is completely subjective - It would have sufficed to disagree with my appraisal of the plot instead of turning yourself into a veritable reincarnate of Jesus Christ trying to defend the show tooth and nail against the evil I'm spreading. This is after all a discussion forum, not somewhere to stage personal attacks because somebody doesn't like your favourite ongoing. I would suggest that you pull your own head out of your ass, oh great connoisseur of all things anime related. In response to your point about action movies - I would say that movies that are based purely on action do not usually have a good story element to them (the many piles of generic action flicks out there clearly evidence this). I first posted here because of a reference to the "comedy" of war (not to attack Jormungand) - and I claimed that the only reason Jormungand seems funny is because it is a misrepresentation of war and that this does not make war a laughing matter. I have already said what I came here to say - I'm not here to tell you why you shouldn't enjoy Jormungand - I'm only here to express my opinion about what I've seen so far - You are free to rate this show 10/10 if that's what pleases you - just get off my case would you. |
| VALMET FTW |
| "If you don't love anyone, it'll make your life easier. But, I don't want to believe it's useless to love anyone" - Hikari Sakishima |
| The series is growing on me. I can only give it a 4/5. |
| What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about? |
| God tier OST is god tier. Holy shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qywGZZL0IA |
| LOVE Koko more and more ~ + Cool OSTs ~ hahahaha :D  |
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| kickass episode this is turning out to be an awesome series :D |
| Nope. |
| Man the OST is fucking amazing. Great series. I can see it becoming what Black Lagoon and the others are. |
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| lol @ people writing reviews after two episodes. |
| I now understand why her name is Koko and she is loco. Great episode, the light mood and craziness of Koko is making me love this show. |
| Still waiting to see if domo can get their releases compressed better If not they might as well stop trying with being days late every week |
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| Stupid Kawada, always tricking me into watching shitty anime... |
| So far so good. No changes to the plot as of yet. Liked the ep :) |
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| Little tan man popular with the ladies Good for him |
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| Perfect combination of everything. My only complaint is that the episode was too short. |
| Getting used to Koko's voice, her behavior in this episode helped that a lot. The girls in this show sure are great... I wish Black Lagoon would get another season, I miss these better action shows. 4/5. |
| Mildred character was awful. |
| Very good 2nd episode... The series is promising and interesting ;) |
| Looks like I'm gonna drop this soon because it's looking like it's gonna be 10 episodes of filler episodic predictable outcome crap and 2 ep. of actual plot... Koko is a major turn off for me... everything about her just looks forceful and unlikeable.. Jonah isn't helping either... |
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VioLink said: Koko just doing her loco thing   Valmet loves Koko and Koko loves boobs  Lol @ the gun  haha good stuff you got there |
| Really digging this show. The zany version of Black Lagoon. Koko is loco, and Valmet does a Revy impression next episode. This is a good thing. |
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| better than the last one. |
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