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Apr 17, 2012 10:51 PM

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I'm really enjoying this series! Has a definite Black Lagoon-esque vibe. Shame it isn't a higher budget anime with the same quality of artwork as the aforementioned, but nonetheless it's really fun so far!
 
Apr 18, 2012 1:53 AM

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best thing i like in this anmie is contrast what saiyu voice is making.On 1 hand we have battlefield where ppl die and on second hand Koko voice and her behavior from some comedy anime. It make love this show.
Scene when orange head was annoying Jonah was great
and ost in runing time scen was nice i waiting for it's release
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Apr 18, 2012 3:09 AM

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Damn, can't get enough. Just too good. Can't wait for the next episode :D
 
Apr 18, 2012 3:39 AM

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Great ep. I wonder more why Jonah tries to hide his laugh.
 
Apr 18, 2012 3:44 AM

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Want moaaaaaaar :O
This anime is just amazing, characters, art, music, voicing everything! Can't wait to see more :<
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Apr 18, 2012 4:08 AM

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I love this so much although I dont really understand all the weapons and stuff..Koko is just too great of a character! I love her seiyuu too :)

The last was very unexpected. xD That's Koko for you!

I still wish they could have spent more and made the animation as great as the sound, but still its amazing.

5/5 9/10
 
Apr 18, 2012 4:18 AM

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found the first episode to be a bit empty feeling, but i must admit i'm starting to like this comedic slaughterfest - koko is a truly awesome character!
 
Apr 18, 2012 4:50 AM

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Awesome, I love this! x)
Not quite as intensive as the first episode, but still as good ^^
Koko is truly amazing, such a sly fox and laughs it all off xD crazy girl~ Valmet is awesome too, she's definitely my favorite character so far, right after Koko

I''m kinda disappointed that the other arms dealer got out of there alive, it's kind of unrealistic in a way, too. He'll probably show up more often in the series because they let him live like that, otherwise I don't see why the plot would let him stay alive after Koko's little trick.

I loved the ending part where they escaped, Jonah's laughing was so cute ^.^
Can't wait for next week ♥
 
Apr 18, 2012 4:51 AM

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Amazing episode
 
Apr 18, 2012 5:05 AM

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It's not the best anime ever, but the action is great, and Jormungand is certaintainly a bit smarter than your average anime series. Comedy works too. I would've expected better from Whitefox, but I guess it's too early to judge.

I still dislike the character designs and awful Engrish in the op (just why do they always have to sing in languages they don't know. I'm not native English or German speaker, but it still annoys like hell, when they do that).
 
Apr 18, 2012 5:47 AM

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indeed this loco koko is really something.

yea also send other buyer team do all the shooting while koko & crew just run free without even shooting very koko-clever.

no wonder this is squad edition of black lagoon.
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Apr 18, 2012 6:10 AM

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Koko is pretty silly, but I like it.
Loved the ending of the episode and Jonah's laugh.
:) excited about next one~

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Apr 18, 2012 6:33 AM

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oh my dear Koko >/////<
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:38 AM

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Haha, loving this anime. The mix of serious with comedy is working nicely here.
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:55 AM

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That preview song doesn't get old.
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:56 AM

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I have high hopes for this one. Koko's freaky smile is so damn awesome.
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:56 AM

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Love this episode, Koko's actions in the middle of the battlefield are hilarious
Koko's just being loco
Lol at Jonah with Mildred
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:58 AM

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Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season) and it's playful, vivid and over-the-top in the end, which is definitely a bad thing for a war series. Plus the characters are really, really ugly visually and lacking in a lot of ways. Dropped.

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Apr 18, 2012 7:04 AM

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It was messy, it was good

Loco, koko
 
Apr 18, 2012 7:15 AM

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Quite an unexpected and sly move there...

Koko is Loco.
 
Apr 18, 2012 7:34 AM

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oh dear... too much character giving me bad time remembering all of them >.<"

Seems like even at war, weapon can be deal in credit term as well LOL... well, war is expensive .

Last episode seems like giving the the impression of Koko's body guard are being too overpowered but in this episode, they didn't even shoot a single bullet.
 
Apr 18, 2012 7:35 AM

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Jacut said:
Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season) and it's playful, vivid and over-the-top in the end, which is definitely a bad thing for a war series.


War has a comedic side to it when you look at it through the right lens (cf. Catch-22 and M*A*S*H). And Koko isn't a soldier in the trenches, she's a businesswomen first and foremost -- the subject material doesn't necessarily call for a dark and gritty atmosphere.
 
Apr 18, 2012 8:37 AM

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I love these guys, they're war nuts and ax crazy on a very short leash but I love them none the less!

All arms dealer thrive on the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition # 34: "War is good for business." but Koko has a natural talent for Rule of Acquisition # 22: "A wise man can hear profit in the wind."
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Apr 18, 2012 8:59 AM

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Jacut said:
Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season) and it's playful, vivid and over-the-top in the end, which is definitely a bad thing for a war series.


War has a comedic side to it when you look at it through the right lens (cf. Catch-22 and M*A*S*H). And Koko isn't a soldier in the trenches, she's a businesswomen first and foremost -- the subject material doesn't necessarily call for a dark and gritty atmosphere.


Actually the series is betting on the antithesis. It is a deliberate action on making a young crazy girl the major arm dealer and have her act like drunk half the times but suddenly throwing a scary face to you.
Obviously Jacut just wanted a very serious realistic "Monster" type of show and his basically disappointed in his own expectation since the show doesn't fail at what it does because it doesn't want to be overly serious like that anyway. He also seems kind of a tight ass if his overly hooked on the idea that any anime that has to do with wars and guns should be heavy and tragic like.

Anyway the show basically rides on the shoulder of Koko and is good when the main character is so awesome that can carry the show. Is a fresh air because most anime seem to depend on anyone but the main most of the times. She's an absolute blast really.
I'm just loving it and is definitely from the top this season.

When she said we are going out and hold them up for you, i thought "no fucking way is this crazy bitch that generous" and a minute later she most definitely sold him out. I was just laughing my ass off.
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Apr 18, 2012 10:24 AM

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Loved every second of this episode ^_^
Everyone is so fucking badass.
X2!!!!!!!!!!
I like Koko and this british girl(brown hair).

What is the music at the end with koko loko?>


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Apr 18, 2012 10:58 AM

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That was pretty good, not a lot of action but the comedy made for a good laugh.
Next episode will have some more action and something fan-service oriented.
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Apr 18, 2012 11:06 AM

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Whoa, I thought the setting for this episode is in some former Soviet Republic, then why the heck do the commanders sport american names like Maj. Polluck and Lt Col Grant?

And why aren't the escorts speak Russian?

Weapons trivia:

The patriot missile was once used by the Americans in 1991 during Dessert Storm and it is still used today, however it is useless without the following equipment: AN/MPQ53 radar to detect any incoming planes or missile, OE349 Antenna to calculate the bearing and to lock on to the target and EPP III Electric power plant to supply power to the radar, antenna and the missile launcher.
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Apr 18, 2012 11:51 AM

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Another great episode. Koko's No, No, No, N0 part was so funny. Koko's friend rubbing on Jonah's cheek while with a gun to face I loled so hard.
 
Apr 18, 2012 1:08 PM

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Koko is such badass and strategist (especially the last one was XD)
And I thought that Myld or whatever her name is, 'cause it writes as Mildred in the subs, was a guy when I first saw the opening.
 
Apr 18, 2012 1:58 PM

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Valmet was pretty sexy in that fight. :D Koko you badass!
 
Apr 18, 2012 4:42 PM

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this series is great. the concept and characters are something else. all mixes well with the action. love it
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Apr 18, 2012 5:24 PM

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Jonah laughing was unexpected, but very welcomed..and Koko really is sly, I loved that scene.
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Apr 18, 2012 5:38 PM

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Hakuromatsu said:
Jacut said:
Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season) and it's playful, vivid and over-the-top in the end, which is definitely a bad thing for a war series.


War has a comedic side to it when you look at it through the right lens (cf. Catch-22 and M*A*S*H). And Koko isn't a soldier in the trenches, she's a businesswomen first and foremost -- the subject material doesn't necessarily call for a dark and gritty atmosphere.


I agree, so far the show has been far too light hearted? Moe on the battlefield? Come off it. The only thing Jormungand is concerned with is providing gratuitous action scenes for a genre that has been starved of good shows, the story seems non-existant so far, the world in which it is based seems extremely odd. The cherry on the unbelievable cake was how the second group of dealers who killed their escorts were left alive....

War has a comedic side does it? Forgive me for disagreeing with you, if you've ever known war been affected by it in any way or form, you'd take that back, in fact why don't you waltz over to Sudan right now and tell them how funny it is that they're fighting over oil.
 
Apr 18, 2012 5:44 PM

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Another awesome episode; lol at Koko trolling at the team of 3 at the end, and that preview song just keeps getting stuck in my head XD

Also to the people complaining about the "light hearted" aspect of the show, they should also remember that Black Lagoon had some "dark" humor in it as well; granted i would say Jormungand is lighter so far of the two shows, but its only two episodes in; haste makes waste.
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:01 PM

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This show is turning out to be much better than I expected. Koko's too funny; love how she's always smiling even during unfavorable situations. This is pretty much Black Lagoon with more comedy.
 
Apr 18, 2012 6:27 PM

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Good episode,liked the way Koko bring that card up her sleeve,i kinda predicted she was going to use them as bait but she did xD

Myldred is crazy,has the hots,and got with knives...my kind of girl :D

Valmer vs Myld was also pretty nice Valmer just kicks ass.

In a whole was good episode,the ost is just awesome also Koko showing us that sometimes you can win without even using one bullet,she is just awesome!!

Next epiosde will get even more interesting!! Cant wait!!

BTW regardless how many times i hear the preview song cant stop laughing its just so good!!


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Apr 18, 2012 6:46 PM

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Oh my god, so many great moments in this episode I can't even count them!

BOOM, favorite more serious type of anime this season.
 
Apr 18, 2012 7:09 PM

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The music never gets old nor the one during the previews. Its quite catchy. Im curious what the overall plot and antagonist will be as it cant just be go from locale to locale, though that would be fun. Favorite part was when Jonah laughed, caught me off guard and was pretty cool, and funny with the ensuing conversation
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Apr 18, 2012 7:23 PM

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Koko just doing her loco thing


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This show is turning out to be much better than I expected. Koko's too funny; love how she's always smiling even during unfavorable situations. This is pretty much Black Lagoon with more comedy.

i just realized your sig looks like a younger version of the eye patch girl in this anime.


 
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i just realized your sig looks like a younger version of the eye patch girl in this anime.


Valmet > Misaki Mei >.> Just saying.
 
Apr 18, 2012 8:26 PM

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War has a comedic side does it? Forgive me for disagreeing with you, if you've ever known war been affected by it in any way or form, you'd take that back, in fact why don't you waltz over to Sudan right now and tell them how funny it is that they're fighting over oil.


Pardon me if I've offended you. But if I haven't, then reconsider my post.

War is multifaceted -- there's no single thing we can point to and say, "that is war." War has changed from century to century, and war differs from continent to continent; no two battles in the same war are the same, and no two people partaking in the same war share the same experience. Some of these individual experiences are atrocious, outrageous, and inhumane -- but do I think that those particular experiences are comedic in any sense? Do I think that, for example, it would be acceptable to turn the goings-on at the Abu Ghraib prison during the Iraq War into a slapstick comedy? Do I think that, by your example, I should film the escalating conflict between Sudan and South Sudan as a mockumentary? Of course not. But experiences like these don't represent war in its totality.

If you criticize my statement that "war has a comedic side to it when you look at it through the right lens," then you should be prepared to criticize every novel, TV series, film, etc. that uses war for comedic purposes, including many that are considered classics. I used Catch-22 and M*A*S*H as examples earlier, and to that list I'll add Good Morning, Vietnam -- a film that looks at a lighter side of the Vietnam War, a war that otherwise has a very dark place in history.

Is Jormungand a classic in the same way that those three are? Well, no. And to be honest, the comedy it uses has no artistic or satirical value. However, at the same time, the aspects of war that it plays for laughs can be played for laughs without being offensive.
 
Apr 18, 2012 8:52 PM

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Really liked the episode, Seems like coca-cola is everywhere xD
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Too unrealistic and light compared to the subject for me to really be interested in this series. It should be dark, cruel and gritty (like Zetman for example this season)


Sure, if by "dark, cruel and gritty" you mean a generic shonen.

I'll take Jormungand's playful tone over Zetman any day of the week, thank you. At least it isn't pretending to be a seinen.
 
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Weapons trivia:

The patriot missile was once used by the Americans in 1991 during Dessert Storm and it is still used today, however it is useless without the following equipment: AN/MPQ53 radar to detect any incoming planes or missile, OE349 Antenna to calculate the bearing and to lock on to the target and EPP III Electric power plant to supply power to the radar, antenna and the missile launcher.
They were not patriot but SAMS of long range proportions. What the other guy sold WAS SHIT! It did not lock on properly cause the launcher were used and did not work right I assume. The internal components at least.

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Apr 19, 2012 1:21 AM

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Is it only me or everybody is waiting for those ost cd to come out. All the soundtracks are awesome. I just keep on playing the anime to listen to them.

Anyway regarding the anime it's just getting started so I can't wait for next episodes and Koko's unpredictable decisions ; D.
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Apr 19, 2012 2:13 AM

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i'm enjoying this far more then the last time even if there wasn't dudes dying all over the place i just liked the interaction with two arms dealers and how they were constantly trying to get out of this deal haha, and Mildred pretty cool she carries way to many knives but shes funny.


can't wait to see what other dealers they run into and i just noticed a 2nd season in the works so that's a plus!
 
Apr 19, 2012 2:28 AM

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koko badass and music / sound is great to be honest :)

so comic parts and I love dark shows, I was waiting for that, but to be honest is well executed at the moment :) I wish they continues with their awesomness!
 
Apr 19, 2012 2:36 AM

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You make a decent point about M*A*S*H etc (I'm especially fond of 'Allo 'Allo) but what makes them different is that they claim to be comedies, and they don't really have a serious aspect to them. There is never any attempt to be taken seriously.

What wars have in common is that they're about humans killing each other. Usually, to do this they dehumanise each other and spread hateful propaganda- if this happens on a large enough scale for long enough - a conflict becomes a war and inevitably innocent civilians are dragged in.

Jormungand's mistake is its decision to portray realistic cold blooded conflict along side all the Moe, comedy and usual anime cliches which don't really fit in such a setting. Black lagoon (as a show that portrays violence) is much more honest about its subject matter - yes it can be funny but at no point does it insist that they are anything more than criminals.

I'm going to watch because I'm interested in the sort of morality shows like this want to portray and there has yet to be a decent anime about paramilitaries/weapons dealers, I think the Japanese still have quite a twisted sense of right and wrong, which is offset by all the brainwashing they underwent post ww2. Koko's second name is a bit inflammatory, she's named after a prolific warlord (wanted and still at large).
 
Apr 19, 2012 4:29 AM

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Main reason i watch this anime: KOKO
 
Apr 19, 2012 6:31 AM

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Koko is amazing.
Im loving this anime. It is better than black lagoon for sure.
 
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