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Apr 12, 2012 12:49 PM

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According to my sources (NSFW):
http://myanimelist.net/blog.php?eid=698739
there is a Koko x Jonah love relationship. Whether it's OK or not is questionable. Morally not since he is a kid and she is adult. However the situation is rather a deadly one that is hard to assess whether morals or ethics will have jack shit at all anything as a whole a arms dealing environment. In a family environment or social OK but in this series not sure.

Jonah losing his family, would be nice if he makes one of deadly future kids with her but I am not sure of any of this. It's hot perhaps and perhaps disgusting for some. So.......................
.................That being said what are your fears it will be integrated despite being censored in this series? What are your views and opinions?


I will start, I think they should give out minimal fan service of Koko's body. I mean I do want to see Koko's body naked for its pale skin as being one factor but on the other hand I think NO FAN SERVICE should be done in this series.

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Koko is a bizarre character that's for sure. Throughout the manga she treasures and teases Jonah, but this the first time I've seen it get this serious. It's not surprising though since they do have a weird relationship throughout the story. I guess the main theme of the manga pretty much IS the relationship between Koko and Jonah. It's kinda indicated that he's her reason for living towards the end of the story. Knowing he's alive keeps her from completely losing her soul.

Well I'm personally not bothered by this scene nor would I be sad to see it censored a bit. Removing it completely might take some of the depth out of the story. Not sure how important it is though since the manga is not translated to this point in my recollection.

Is nudity always fan service? I'm completely cool with stylish censors (No light beams or darkening plz), but if they make nudity in the scene casual I don't see a problem. There are quite a few other adult scenes in this series anyway.
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Koko is a bizarre character that's for sure. Throughout the manga she treasures and teases Jonah, but this the first time I've seen it get this serious. It's not surprising though since they do have a weird relationship throughout the story. I guess the main theme of the manga pretty much IS the relationship between Koko and Jonah. It's kinda indicated that he's her reason for living towards the end of the story. Knowing he's alive keeps her from completely losing her soul.

Well I'm personally not bothered by this scene nor would I be sad to see it censored a bit. Removing it completely might take some of the depth out of the story. Not sure how important it is though since the manga is not translated to this point in my recollection.

Is nudity always fan service? I'm completely cool with stylish censors (No light beams or darkening plz), but if they make nudity in the scene casual I don't see a problem. There are quite a few other adult scenes in this series anyway.
I agree with you except I get the feeling the anime is going more for gun blazing and killings. Not sure if the meaning of Jonah x Koko will be out but it seems it already is. Perhaps by S2 this might be in or it might not. So I though depending on the initial sales of the 1st BD.

That being said I wonder what other serious adult situations I should be aware. It would be good for non manga readers do do not care of spoilers such as me to know ahead from people that know like you of what to expect of that in future episodes.

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It will most certainly be in S2 considering they are animating all 11 volumes. S1 will probably end with Valmet's arc, so there'll be room for this scene.

Though I don't really see Koko's and Jonah's relationship to be anywhere close to a romantic one. It's more like a brother/sister or mother/son type of relationship. Koko took Jonah in for emotional support, but it was never explained what would happen if Jonah died. It was just stated that it was the perfect way to "tame" Koko, while R said that Jonah's death would break Koko and possibly turn her into a monster.

Jonah's basically the lock to her insanity. If the lock breaks, it'll all spill out.

It's possible that she might harbor some type of feelings for him, but it's very likely not that of love.

As for the fanservice bit....Valmet provides that much with her boobs.
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Hmm, I thought Koko sees him as a brother? She even mentioned it during a scene in the first episode.

I might check out the manga soon to confirm.

And yes, if this is true, it will probably be season 2 that airs later fall this year
 
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It will most certainly be in S2 considering they are animating all 11 volumes. S1 will probably end with Valmet's arc, so there'll be room for this scene.

Though I don't really see Koko's and Jonah's relationship to be anywhere close to a romantic one. It's more like a brother/sister or mother/son type of relationship. Koko took Jonah in for emotional support, but it was never explained what would happen if Jonah died. It was just stated that it was the perfect way to "tame" Koko, while R said that Jonah's death would break Koko and possibly turn her into a monster.

Jonah's basically the lock to her insanity. If the lock breaks, it'll all spill out.

It's possible that she might harbor some type of feelings for him, but it's very likely not that of love.

As for the fanservice bit....Valmet provides that much with her boobs.
Yeah! VALMET! I was thinking the yuri aspect could be maximized. I am sure people will love that more considering Valmet is muscular more than anything.
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Hmm, I thought Koko sees him as a brother? She even mentioned it during a scene in the first episode.

I might check out the manga soon to confirm.

And yes, if this is true, it will probably be season 2 that airs later fall this year
That part is not translated I think. And 2, the way she kissed him looks to me intimate to say the least. Don't you both think so? Jonah on the other hand might think of it as a love of a sister that is deep. I am not sure.

I know Koko is LOCO so who knows what she think of it. We can see as not moral but to her all is FUCK THAT. She thinks of it this way as something of a deep family bonding.

Can't wait to see, cause the context will be more important than the visuals even if nipples/breasts would be there.

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Yumekichi11 said:
sarroush said:
It will most certainly be in S2 considering they are animating all 11 volumes. S1 will probably end with Valmet's arc, so there'll be room for this scene.

Though I don't really see Koko's and Jonah's relationship to be anywhere close to a romantic one. It's more like a brother/sister or mother/son type of relationship. Koko took Jonah in for emotional support, but it was never explained what would happen if Jonah died. It was just stated that it was the perfect way to "tame" Koko, while R said that Jonah's death would break Koko and possibly turn her into a monster.

Jonah's basically the lock to her insanity. If the lock breaks, it'll all spill out.

It's possible that she might harbor some type of feelings for him, but it's very likely not that of love.

As for the fanservice bit....Valmet provides that much with her boobs.
Yeah! VALMET! I was thinking the yuri aspect could be maximized. I am sure people will love that more considering Valmet is muscular more than anything.
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Hmm, I thought Koko sees him as a brother? She even mentioned it during a scene in the first episode.

I might check out the manga soon to confirm.

And yes, if this is true, it will probably be season 2 that airs later fall this year
That part is not translated I think. And 2, the way she kissed him looks to me intimate to say the least. Don't you both think so? Jonah on the other hand might think of it as a love of a sister that is deep. I am not sure.

I know Koko is LOCO so who knows what she think of it. We can see as not moral but to her all is FUCK THAT. She thinks of it this way as something of a deep family bonding.

Can't wait to see, cause the context will be more important than the visuals even if nipples/breasts would be there.


Manga, here I come.

 
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Yeah! VALMET! I was thinking the yuri aspect could be maximized. I am sure people will love that more considering Valmet is muscular more than anything.


There is a high chance that the yuri aspect can or might be maximized, though Volume 11 isnt out yet and I havent seen the raws for 9 & 10.
I say there's a high chance because during Valmet's arc, Koko was uncertain of her relationship with Valmet.
She said in chapter 33 ;
Lehm tells her to not finish that sentence out loud, so who knows.

The italics are what she's thinking. She never finished the sentence so who knows.

As for the kiss, who knows. It could have been impulsive, or in a joking manner. It IS the unexpected Koko we're talking about here. The woman confuses me to no ends. She probably might be filling the void of lack of family intimacy since she's never been close to her brother or parents. So gropping and nuzzling Valmet's breasts and kissing Jonah like that might just be acts of bonding to her.
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sarroush said:
Yumekichi11 said:
Yeah! VALMET! I was thinking the yuri aspect could be maximized. I am sure people will love that more considering Valmet is muscular more than anything.


There is a high chance that the yuri aspect can or might be maximized, though Volume 11 isnt out yet and I havent seen the raws for 9 & 10.
I say there's a high chance because during Valmet's arc, Koko was uncertain of her relationship with Valmet.
She said in chapter 33 ;
Lehm tells her to not finish that sentence out loud, so who knows.

The italics are what she's thinking. She never finished the sentence so who knows.

As for the kiss, who knows. It could have been impulsive, or in a joking manner. It IS the unexpected Koko we're talking about here. The woman confuses me to no ends. She probably might be filling the void of lack of family intimacy since she's never been close to her brother or parents. So gropping and nuzzling Valmet's breasts and kissing Jonah like that might just be acts of bonding to her.
I will agree with you with a taste left of wanting to see and see the development of the anime. Thanks for all the info.

Certainly Koko lacks love from family. Also I want to know will her past be revealed?

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Certainly Koko lacks love from family. Also I want to know will her past be revealed?


As of now (volume 8), it hasn't been. You just know that she's not on good terms with her father. Her relationship with her brother is sort of average. They aren't very close, but they arent enemies either. I'm hoping she gets a development arc like with Valmet & R. Will have to wait and see. Hopefully I can find the raws for 9-11. If not, I'll be buying 9 once its out over here in June.
 
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sarroush said:
Yumekichi11 said:

Certainly Koko lacks love from family. Also I want to know will her past be revealed?


As of now (volume 8), it hasn't been. You just know that she's not on good terms with her father. Her relationship with her brother is sort of average. They aren't very close, but they arent enemies either. I'm hoping she gets a development arc like with Valmet & R. Will have to wait and see. Hopefully I can find the raws for 9-11. If not, I'll be buying 9 once its out over here in June.
OK, then post here ASAP as you get the info.

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Found volume 9.

Nothing really happens in terms of Valmet development or yuri dev aside from Koko grabbing Valmet from the side and somewhat nuzzling her boobage.


You do see a bit of Lehm's, Wilee's & Lutz's past together. Chequi used to work for Koko, probably temporarily from what I'm seeing. And then some of Koko's past with the Doctor. And then in the last pages, in the omake, Lo, Koko, the Doctor (I cant remember her name), and Chequi are playing Mahjong and they end up talking about Valmet's breasts.

And for some reason Myld & Lo beat each other up.

I cba to sit down and try translating. With my knowledge of Kanji and Hiragana this would take way too long.

The rest is just them doing their job.

Apparently Volume 10 ends with a cliffhanger. It would be great if I could find it.

This is from Volume 2. Just find it cute.
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I found Volume 10.

The bath scene is there. Honestly doesn't feel romantic to me. That aside....
The end truly is a cliffhanger.
 
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Oh gawd , screw cliffhanger endings
Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster
 
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I see you all, thanks for the infos. Keep them coming. Why did the betrayal happen?

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Not sure. On the last page, I can only translate Jonah's first and last lines since I can't seem to remember the romanji for the first kanji. He says something around the likes of :
"That can't be true --------------------- Koko!"
Not sure what he says in the middle. And Koko just says "....Jonah?"
I'd translate the 1st page, what Koko says, but I cba ._.

Well, Vol 11 is out, so I'm trying to find it. Will update once I get it. Might end up just buying it online.
 
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Not sure. On the last page, I can only translate Jonah's first and last lines since I can't seem to remember the romanji for the first kanji. He says something around the likes of :
"That can't be true --------------------- Koko!"
Not sure what he says in the middle. And Koko just says "....Jonah?"
I'd translate the 1st page, what Koko says, but I cba ._.

Well, Vol 11 is out, so I'm trying to find it. Will update once I get it. Might end up just buying it online.
THANKS! I see, so he finds out some shit are lies. UH OH O_O This could be bad to calm Jonah's anger. Kid is dangerous after all.

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I click yes without looking ............... how do I change my vote to a no ? =.=

...forget about it , my answer is a NO
Actually glad that nepal is facing disaster
 
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A Anime series with no fanservice is not good for sales lol

I think Koko is just interested in seeing Jona's expression when she kiss him >.<
Jona is kinda lack of expression and it makes Koko wanna put some "color" into him.
 
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MorningGlory said:
A Anime series with no fanservice is not good for sales lol

I think Koko is just interested in seeing Jona's expression when she kiss him >.<
Jona is kinda lack of expression and it makes Koko wanna put some "color" into him.
I agree and I noticed that since of this episode. I mean why else in the middle of fight kiss? Right buddy?

Even is they have sex, if boy happy and can live better because he lost so much then maybe better. Is no question no more of morals. Even Kant would argue of this because happiness factor high.

What do you think?

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fight kiss? are you talking about the betrayal .

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"That can't be true --------------------- Koko!"

I thought he said " Don't do this/Please don't do this ---------------- Koko!!"

Well... anyway, I don't know the whole story.Maybe I am wrong.
 
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fight kiss? are you talking about the betrayal .
In episode3 kiss on cheek of Jonahs during the fight.

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fight kiss? are you talking about the betrayal .
In episode3 kiss on cheek of Jonahs during the fight.
wait( I re-watch just now...).... I don't remember she kiss him(his cheek).
She only making fun of him by showing a kissing face to Jona. Her lips almost reach Jona but didn't(at least this is what I saw) ..
Anyway, Koko is glad of Jona coming to save her even thou he is suppose to learn math..A welcome kiss is always a welcome even if its in the middle of a gun fight .^.^
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MorningGlory said:
Yumekichi11 said:
MorningGlory said:
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fight kiss? are you talking about the betrayal .
In episode3 kiss on cheek of Jonahs during the fight.
wait( I re-watch just now...).... I don't remember she kiss him(his cheek).
She only making fun of him by showing a kissing face to Jona. Her lips almost reach Jona but didn't(at least this is what I saw) ..
Anyway, Koko is glad of Jona coming to save her even thou he is suppose to learn math..A welcome kiss is always a welcome even if its in the middle of a gun fight .^.^
Yeah and yeah she touched his cheek since he blushed.

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MorningGlory said:
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fight kiss? are you talking about the betrayal .

sarroush said:

"That can't be true --------------------- Koko!"

I thought he said " Don't do this/Please don't do this ---------------- Koko!!"

Well... anyway, I don't know the whole story.Maybe I am wrong.


Well the first 4 hiragana together is "Sonna no", which is more like "No way! That can't be! Impossible!" But I cant know what he's saying for sure since the kanji in the middle are a pain.
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And Koko kissing Jonah isn't considered fanservice.
The reasons for her actions are that most of the time she isn't afraid and she knows her team is going to come through for her no matter what. So she acts uncaring and jolly. She shows some fear later on.

Koko/Jonah having sex will be a near impossible event. Their relationship hasn't developed to that extent.
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Yeah and yeah she touched his cheek since he blushed.
.... I don't think she need to touch her cheek to make him feel blush... just take a look at most of the Anime you watched so far.

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Well the first 4 hiragana together is "Sonna no", which is more like "No way! That can't be! Impossible!" But I cant know what he's saying for sure since the kanji in the middle are a pain.

そんなの絶対にだめだココ!!
You mean the word "絶対"? Its means "must/absolutely"....
Direct translate:
Such thing must not do Koko!!...
Please don't direct translate it from Japanese to English.Its impossible =P

English:"No way! That can't be! Impossible!"
Japanese" そんな馬鹿な"
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That sounds like something google would translate it as.
Regardless, if the last 3 volumes don't get translated, will just buy em to know exactly what's happening.
 
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Such thing must not do, Koko!! = Please don't do this ,Koko!!" ...sound the same right .
Actually I know what are they talking, but I don't understand the story.
Military, Politic , and share-market isn't my favorite subject.Velmer is the only girl I am watching....muscular, sexy,eye-patch, and big boob ^.^
I am basically reading other people's blog to understand the story.
The Mondo Grosso chapter is so hard to understand...
 
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In volume 10, Koko's plan will make many people die, so Yonah opposes that plan and points the gun toward Koko. "You can't do it, Koko", he says. In volume 11 ( last volume ) , Koko answers Yonah that the world Yonah loves ( he says in the bathroom in volume 10 ) - she really hates it. Yonah runs away from her.


Jonah takes part in big wars in the world, and after 2 years separating from Koko, he cries out :



"Please do something!!! Koko!!"

They meet again. To make sure if the world will change or not, he travels with Koko's group again.



いかれる has 4 of meanings but I think Yonah means "I think that I'm being captivated by the world and Koko"
Well, I'm a Koko x Jonah supporter :">

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In volume 10, Koko's plan will make many people die, so Yonah opposes that plan and points the gun toward Koko. "You can't do it, Koko", he says. In volume 11 ( last volume ) , Koko answers Yonah that the world Yonah loves ( he says in the bathroom in volume 10 ) - she really hates it. Yonah runs away from her.


Jonah takes part in big wars in the world, and after 2 years separating from Koko, he cries out :



"Please do something!!! Koko!!"

They meet again. To make sure if the world will change or not, he travels with Koko's group again.



いかれる has 4 of meanings but I think Yonah means "I think that I'm being captivated by the world and Koko"
Well, I'm a Koko x Jonah supporter :">

Marvellous post! LOVELY! Yeah I am with you and perhaps around somewhere along the line they can have the sex and family and well that would suck for Koko a little but I am sure she would be insane even pregnant to deal arms but anyway. Yeah I truly wish the best for both of them.

I guess the end means nothing will change and survival in all with each own happiness should be pursued and that opposing may produce nothing in thee end.

What you think of that?

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Its really sad that volume 11 is the ending for this series. I actually really like this ='(

I am now kinda hesitate to read volume 11 now.....

Operation Jormungand is the most contradiction peace I ever heard.....I never could have imagine that professor Minami would treat human less than a butterfly, I thought she was just joking.Well, the butterfly is more important than human(my point of view).
 
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I never could have imagine that professor Minami would treat human less than a butterfly, I thought she was just joking


I don't find it that surprising given that...she's always been.....a bit...odd? XD
Plus...She's close friends with a psychotic arms dealer.
 
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sekuhara said:


They meet again. To make sure if the world will change or not, he travels with Koko's group again.

いかれる has 4 of meanings but I think Yonah means "I think that I'm being captivated by the world and Koko"
Well, I'm a Koko x Jonah supporter :">



well.. in this context, it's no..
僕は (boku ha)
世界も、ココも、 (sekai mo, Koko mo, )
イカレてると思う。 (ikareteru to omou.)

What exactly Jonah meant is "I think both the world and Koko are crazy." Because it's the reply for Koko's question (私と世界 頭イカレてるのは どっちだ!!?).


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Its really sad that volume 11 is the ending for this series. I actually really like this ='(

I am now kinda hesitate to read volume 11 now.....


yeah... I felt it's kinda sudden end. But I heard that the author has finished the story as planned.
It's quite difficult to imagine. I don't know what's gonna happen to the world "After Jormungand."

I think the author has left homework for us to imagine the future and the world.
Still we have many things to do and need many achievements to be made toward world peace.
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i want to see the rest of th manga ..chapter 50 and so on .. ive been searching it for the whole day and just found nothing.
at the end its always sad when a good manga finish

i just love koko
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