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5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
195 66.78%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
57 19.52%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
17 5.82%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
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04-09-12, 6:35 PM

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Scud said:
Why is this show so bad.


Bad pacing and lots of asspulls basically
 
04-09-12, 6:35 PM

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This episode definitely didn't disappoint, I can't wait to see peoples reaction to the last episode if they keep the manga ending.
 
04-09-12, 6:39 PM

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InfiniteDestiny said:
They are adapting this almost exactly to the manga which makes me happy; looking forward to the final episode and the conclusion to the series


I think the differences now have become quite significant. Now even Yukki's personality has changed compared to the manga. Let's compare the differences between this version and the one in the manga.

Long version: In the corresponding Manga part, Yuno is the one that decides to kill Yukki – NOT Murmur. Also, up to that point she really doesn't care that much about what her diary says compared to the anime. Also, in the manga, Yukki still keeps wanting to save everyone. In the anime, he simply decides to face Yuno directly, and then tries to convince her to leave with him and let her kill him there in the 2nd world. Also, there's a lot more fighting in the anime than there is in the manga.

Regarding the illusionary sphere part, the anime says it's the core of Deus that grants her those powers. In the manga, it's just her own god power that allows her to do so. By justifying she only has those godlike powers when she steals the core, the anime creates a plothole. Also, in the manga, Yuno really means it when she says she would be happy with everyone and Yukki was happy using her. In the anime, she does that to make Yukki give up on her.

By the way, I won't spoil the ending, but I do hope it is different from what I've read in the manga. The manga really has a WTF? ending.

Short version of my whole point: maga Yuno is a real cold, calculating BITCH compared to anime Yuno, which portrays her simply as a dangerous, insane person. Manga Yukki is a bit more of a pussy compared to anime Yukki. Manga Murmur is simply mischievous. Anime Murmur is EVIL.
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04-09-12, 7:30 PM

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Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:

Short version of my whole point: maga Yuno is a real cold, calculating BITCH compared to anime Yuno, which portrays her simply as a dangerous, insane person. Manga Yukki is a bit more of a pussy compared to anime Yukki. Manga Murmur is simply mischievous. Anime Murmur is EVIL.


QFT.

I can't wait to see if they are going to make their own ending or stick with the WTF manga ending (can't decide which one would be worse, but it will have a lot of YunoxYukki drama since these people seems to love it LOL).
 
04-09-12, 7:34 PM

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AnimeTroll1088 said:

^ this
and it isn't really out of place since well YUNO IS GOD........... anything is possible



It's out of place.
 
04-09-12, 7:37 PM

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Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:

Regarding the illusionary sphere part, the anime says it's the core of Deus that grants her those powers. In the manga, it's just her own god power that allows her to do so. By justifying she only has those godlike powers when she steals the core, the anime creates a plothole. Also, in the manga, Yuno really means it when she says she would be happy with everyone and Yukki was happy using her. In the anime, she does that to make Yukki give up on her.


how does that creates a plot hole? if anything they remove the plothole about yuno not having powers during the first world.
 
04-09-12, 7:47 PM

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Vanisher said:
Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:

Regarding the illusionary sphere part, the anime says it's the core of Deus that grants her those powers. In the manga, it's just her own god power that allows her to do so. By justifying she only has those godlike powers when she steals the core, the anime creates a plothole. Also, in the manga, Yuno really means it when she says she would be happy with everyone and Yukki was happy using her. In the anime, she does that to make Yukki give up on her.


how does that creates a plot hole? if anything they remove the plothole about yuno not having powers during the first world.


Not really. They already solved that by saying in the anime Murmur supressed Yuno's memories. If she can't remember she has god powers, how will she abuse them in the first place? And you're wrong saying she had no powers: both the anime and the manga (the manga does this much better, though) show how she has a godlike agility, speed and strength. How could she deflect all those knives from 7th being just a normal girl? Or dodge those bombs while running in school, or hold big weapons so easily? There's the plothole the anime reintroduces when they say Yuno's powers come from Deus' stolen core.
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04-09-12, 8:00 PM

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Like with every episode, I tried to approach it seriously. Then Murmur and Minene decided to go all DBZ. Aside from that, it was OK, much like every other episode so far. I can only hope it ends nicely, i.e. not as contrived and convenient as most of the writing.
 
04-09-12, 8:01 PM

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Unahim said:
Valkama said:
Ur.. The last few episodes have been well, out of character for the show. The fight scenes are awesome to look at but they feel rather out of place. I think the director is suffering from George Lucas Syndrome. Hopefully he got his shit together for the final episode.


Every time I read a comment like this (and it happens all the time on a variety of anime) I wonder: Do you realise that this anime is based off of a manga, and that the story development isn't a flight of fancy of some "director" but the actual manga storyline, that has been finalised ages ago?


No, what I'm saying is the fighting scenes are out of place. I really don't care for the typical flying air battles. And if the manga did have flying air battles then they could have at least made them not take a year and a half. As far as the story goes I find it pretty good just the pacing needs some work which the director can do something about.
 
04-09-12, 8:32 PM

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Valkama said:
Unahim said:
Valkama said:
Ur.. The last few episodes have been well, out of character for the show. The fight scenes are awesome to look at but they feel rather out of place. I think the director is suffering from George Lucas Syndrome. Hopefully he got his shit together for the final episode.


Every time I read a comment like this (and it happens all the time on a variety of anime) I wonder: Do you realise that this anime is based off of a manga, and that the story development isn't a flight of fancy of some "director" but the actual manga storyline, that has been finalised ages ago?


No, what I'm saying is the fighting scenes are out of place. I really don't care for the typical flying air battles. And if the manga did have flying air battles then they could have at least made them not take a year and a half. As far as the story goes I find it pretty good just the pacing needs some work which the director can do something about.



Yes, the manga did have "flying fights," but they were a lot quicker. I was quite surprised to see all those scenes. Instead, the manga focused more on Yuno's denial (which is pratically inexistent in the anime,) and in what happens inside Yuno's illusionary sphere. Another interesting point is that, in the manga, since Yukki knows Yuno is a god, he avoids fighting and keeps evading all her attacks (he also gets many more dead ends, too.) Since he avoids fighting in the manga, Yuno traps him in the illusionary sphere – she doesn't throw the sphere on him, as she does on the anime, as if it were some sort of attack.

Also, the scene with Yukki's former love doesn't happen at all in the manga.
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04-09-12, 9:09 PM

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I am going to be so sad when this series is over with
Now how they finish it determines if this stays a 9 or moves up to a 10 for me
Certainly did the adaptation justice and its been an excellent thriller

Really hope I can notch it up to 10

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04-09-12, 9:16 PM

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Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:
Valkama said:
Unahim said:
Valkama said:
Ur.. The last few episodes have been well, out of character for the show. The fight scenes are awesome to look at but they feel rather out of place. I think the director is suffering from George Lucas Syndrome. Hopefully he got his shit together for the final episode.


Every time I read a comment like this (and it happens all the time on a variety of anime) I wonder: Do you realise that this anime is based off of a manga, and that the story development isn't a flight of fancy of some "director" but the actual manga storyline, that has been finalised ages ago?


No, what I'm saying is the fighting scenes are out of place. I really don't care for the typical flying air battles. And if the manga did have flying air battles then they could have at least made them not take a year and a half. As far as the story goes I find it pretty good just the pacing needs some work which the director can do something about.



Yes, the manga did have "flying fights," but they were a lot quicker. I was quite surprised to see all those scenes. Instead, the manga focused more on Yuno's denial (which is pratically inexistent in the anime,) and in what happens inside Yuno's illusionary sphere. Another interesting point is that, in the manga, since Yukki knows Yuno is a god, he avoids fighting and keeps evading all her attacks (he also gets many more dead ends, too.) Since he avoids fighting in the manga, Yuno traps him in the illusionary sphere – she doesn't throw the sphere on him, as she does on the anime, as if it were some sort of attack.

Also, the scene with Yukki's former love doesn't happen at all in the manga.


Actually Yuno DID throw the sphere on Yukki as shown in the anime.

Most people don't know this, but when the final volume of Mirai Nikki was released in Japan, the author made some rather drastic changes to how the final chapters played out compared to what happened when it was released chapter by chapter. Most notable was a change where in the old version, Yuno made Yukki's parents fall down to their near-death, whereas in the new version the scene is cut entirely and is replaced by Yuno simply throwing the sphere on Yukki.

That's not the only change either. In fact, what you see in episode 25 reflects most of the new changes that Esuno made to the final volume of Mirai Nikki, including making Yuno/Yukki more sympathetic, making Murmur more monstrous, and a couple of changes to the ending as well. The anime still embellishes a bit: the Minene/Murmur fight scene wasn't in the manga, and Wakaba didn't strip naked either, but I wanted to clarify that most of the "changes" you see in this episode were actually done by the author.
 
04-09-12, 9:22 PM

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I want yuno to die.
 
04-09-12, 9:23 PM

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Scud said:
Why is this show so bad.

Because Yuno is in it.
 
04-09-12, 9:26 PM

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Also, was I the only one who thought that 3rd Yuuno's dad looked to a rather nice person but her mother was the messed up one and he was just running away from her, maybe hoping she wouldn't hurt Yuuno? After all, he looked very shocked and worried to know that an ambulance was called there.




That's weird, until now everything indicated that both her parents were assholes...well, at least they both cursed her when she locked them in cage.
Either this timeline is different or something happened within this 1 year until she killed them.

^Another reason for why this show is stupid.
 
04-09-12, 9:58 PM

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Actually Yuno DID throw the sphere on Yukki as shown in the anime.

Most people don't know this, but when the final volume of Mirai Nikki was released in Japan, the author made some rather drastic changes to how the final chapters played out compared to what happened when it was released chapter by chapter. Most notable was a change where in the old version, Yuno made Yukki's parents fall down to their near-death, whereas in the new version the scene is cut entirely and is replaced by Yuno simply throwing the sphere on Yukki.

That's not the only change either. In fact, what you see in episode 25 reflects most of the new changes that Esuno made to the final volume of Mirai Nikki, including making Yuno/Yukki more sympathetic, making Murmur more monstrous, and a couple of changes to the ending as well. The anime still embellishes a bit: the Minene/Murmur fight scene wasn't in the manga, and Wakaba didn't strip naked either, but I wanted to clarify that most of the "changes" you see in this episode were actually done by the author.


I'm not sure about how the final volume plays out regarding all these other aspects (like making Yukki and Yuno more sympathetic,) but this is how the sphere scene originally happens in the manga:





See? The sphere opens, and then "swallows" him. It is not thrown on him. She doesn't claim the powers of the old core to do it either – it is implied she uses her own powers. Also, Yuno saying "you do hate me, don't you?" also refers to her throwing his parents in the floor. So we can see both scenes on that version – I'm just not showing Yuno dropping Yukki's parents here, but it is there.

Honestly, I doubt the changes the author made were really that drastic compared to what we see in the anime. But I'll see if I can find this volume.
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04-09-12, 10:05 PM

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AnimeFtw1 said:
nathanr said:
HikaruIzumi said:

Also, was I the only one who thought that 3rd Yuuno's dad looked to a rather nice person but her mother was the messed up one and he was just running away from her, maybe hoping she wouldn't hurt Yuuno? After all, he looked very shocked and worried to know that an ambulance was called there.




That's weird, until now everything indicated that both her parents were assholes...well, at least they both cursed her when she locked them in cage.
Either this timeline is different or something happened within this 1 year until she killed them.

^Another reason for why this show is stupid.


The very fact there are two people interfering with the timeline of the 3rd world makes a lot of difference, just as it did in the second world. For instance, in the first world, most likely there was no Akise, as there was no need for Deus to investigate for a fake Yuno. And they traveled two years back in time, not one. In the 3rd world, Yukki called an ambulance for the 3rd world Yuno, so they probably called his father, who wouldn't be home otherwise to see what happened to his daughter.
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04-09-12, 10:12 PM

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Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:
Moradon said:


Actually Yuno DID throw the sphere on Yukki as shown in the anime.

Most people don't know this, but when the final volume of Mirai Nikki was released in Japan, the author made some rather drastic changes to how the final chapters played out compared to what happened when it was released chapter by chapter. Most notable was a change where in the old version, Yuno made Yukki's parents fall down to their near-death, whereas in the new version the scene is cut entirely and is replaced by Yuno simply throwing the sphere on Yukki.

That's not the only change either. In fact, what you see in episode 25 reflects most of the new changes that Esuno made to the final volume of Mirai Nikki, including making Yuno/Yukki more sympathetic, making Murmur more monstrous, and a couple of changes to the ending as well. The anime still embellishes a bit: the Minene/Murmur fight scene wasn't in the manga, and Wakaba didn't strip naked either, but I wanted to clarify that most of the "changes" you see in this episode were actually done by the author.


I'm not sure about how the final volume plays out regarding all these other aspects (like making Yukki and Yuno more sympathetic,) but this is how the sphere scene originally happens in the manga:

See? The sphere opens, and then "swallows" him. It is not thrown on him. She doesn't claim the powers of the old core to do it either – it is implied she uses her own powers.

Honestly, I doubt the changes the author made were really that drastic compared to what we see in the anime. But I'll see if I can find this volume.


That picture is from the old version of volume 12. It plays out differently from the version that Esuno later published in volume 12. Here is the new version in the spoiler below.



Unfortunately the new version was never translated, so I don't know how accurate the dialogue in episode 25 is, but I assume it's probably similar to whatever changes were made in the new volume 12.
 
04-09-12, 10:15 PM

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Moradon said:
Deus_Ex_Diabolus said:
Valkama said:
Unahim said:
Valkama said:
Ur.. The last few episodes have been well, out of character for the show. The fight scenes are awesome to look at but they feel rather out of place. I think the director is suffering from George Lucas Syndrome. Hopefully he got his shit together for the final episode.


Every time I read a comment like this (and it happens all the time on a variety of anime) I wonder: Do you realise that this anime is based off of a manga, and that the story development isn't a flight of fancy of some "director" but the actual manga storyline, that has been finalised ages ago?


No, what I'm saying is the fighting scenes are out of place. I really don't care for the typical flying air battles. And if the manga did have flying air battles then they could have at least made them not take a year and a half. As far as the story goes I find it pretty good just the pacing needs some work which the director can do something about.



Yes, the manga did have "flying fights," but they were a lot quicker. I was quite surprised to see all those scenes. Instead, the manga focused more on Yuno's denial (which is pratically inexistent in the anime,) and in what happens inside Yuno's illusionary sphere. Another interesting point is that, in the manga, since Yukki knows Yuno is a god, he avoids fighting and keeps evading all her attacks (he also gets many more dead ends, too.) Since he avoids fighting in the manga, Yuno traps him in the illusionary sphere – she doesn't throw the sphere on him, as she does on the anime, as if it were some sort of attack.

Also, the scene with Yukki's former love doesn't happen at all in the manga.


Actually Yuno DID throw the sphere on Yukki as shown in the anime.

Most people don't know this, but when the final volume of Mirai Nikki was released in Japan, the author made some rather drastic changes to how the final chapters played out compared to what happened when it was released chapter by chapter. Most notable was a change where in the old version, Yuno made Yukki's parents fall down to their near-death, whereas in the new version the scene is cut entirely and is replaced by Yuno simply throwing the sphere on Yukki.

That's not the only change either. In fact, what you see in episode 25 reflects most of the new changes that Esuno made to the final volume of Mirai Nikki, including making Yuno/Yukki more sympathetic, making Murmur more monstrous, and a couple of changes to the ending as well. The anime still embellishes a bit: the Minene/Murmur fight scene wasn't in the manga, and Wakaba didn't strip naked either, but I wanted to clarify that most of the "changes" you see in this episode were actually done by the author.
WOW! I had no idea. So there are 2 technical versions of Mirai Nikki itself as a manga. Do the extras have something to do with this?

This is really fucked up cause the author of GunnM did the same thing with Last Order. Just weird for the changes.

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04-09-12, 10:19 PM

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Moradon said:




Unfortunately the new version was never translated, so I don't know how accurate the dialogue in episode 25 is, but I assume it's probably similar to whatever changes were made in the new volume 12.


Ok, now I believe you. And yes, I see a shining thing on her hand, so the plot of this new manga is indeed probably much closer to the anime. Too bad, though. Yuno being a cold, calculating "bitch" was quite surprising, and her usage of the core does introduce this dreadful plothole.

Anyway, you didn't need to put this as a spoiler: this is virtually the very same scene of the anime. Do you know how is this second version of the manga called?
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