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01-27-15, 7:36 AM

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Boom! Headshot was the greatest COOL! I would have liked it if he had gotten a more messy end, but I suppose Emiya knows his business.
This beginning to the second season was awesome. I hope it'll continue this trend and have more actual battles, as opposed to the first season since I guess all exposition has been done. Wonder who will exit this stage next? On the matter of exits, after 5 minutes in the first season, Berserker reappearance by taking over a fighter plane, was one dynamic entry(or reentry in this case).

Just one question. How is Caster able to survive in this world now that his Master his dead?
Let me rephrase that, how is he able to keep that abomination spell in effect when it probably consumes high levels of mana, and he has no Master to draw it from? Since when the same thing happened to
the Servant was left near death and only healed after it was helped by iron hands or something(my memory of FSN is very hazy) right?
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01-27-15, 8:07 AM

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01-27-15, 10:13 AM

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^Ah! I see.
Thanks for the clarification.


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02-22-15, 1:47 PM

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lmao. Tokiomi is basically forced to kiss his own Servant's ass because Gilgamesh is so egotistical.
 
03-08-15, 2:26 PM

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I liked the previous OP/ED better, but the visuals of this ED were so pretty *_*

Nice episode. Am I the only one who's rooting for Matou Karya? (Die, Tokiomi, with your little golden bitch)

 
03-08-15, 3:25 PM

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I liked the previous OP/ED better, but the visuals of this ED were so pretty *_*

Nice episode. Am I the only one who's rooting for Matou Karya? (Die, Tokiomi, with your little golden bitch)
They both have selfish goals and go about achieving them the stupid way, so I don't really see why you'd root for one over the other. Well actually Tokiomi's planning is almost flawless, he just fucks up the execution.

I'd say I sympathize with Kariya though, especially considering what the worms did to him physically and mentally.
 
03-08-15, 3:35 PM

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GARBrotato said:
k0k0 said:
I liked the previous OP/ED better, but the visuals of this ED were so pretty *_*

Nice episode. Am I the only one who's rooting for Matou Karya? (Die, Tokiomi, with your little golden bitch)
They both have selfish goals and go about achieving them the stupid way, so I don't really see why you'd root for one over the other. Well actually Tokiomi's planning is almost flawless, he just fucks up the execution.

I'd say I sympathize with Kariya though, especially considering what the worms did to him physically and mentally.

Kariya at least tries to hide his selfish reasons under a noble goal, Tokiomi just talks shit to him and the viewers don't really care about his plan to reach the Root/Origin.
 
03-08-15, 4:01 PM

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kokusho36 said:
GARBrotato said:
k0k0 said:
I liked the previous OP/ED better, but the visuals of this ED were so pretty *_*

Nice episode. Am I the only one who's rooting for Matou Karya? (Die, Tokiomi, with your little golden bitch)
They both have selfish goals and go about achieving them the stupid way, so I don't really see why you'd root for one over the other. Well actually Tokiomi's planning is almost flawless, he just fucks up the execution.

I'd say I sympathize with Kariya though, especially considering what the worms did to him physically and mentally.

Kariya at least tries to hide his selfish reasons under a noble goal, Tokiomi just talks shit to him and the viewers don't really care about his plan to reach the Root/Origin.


But at least Tokiomi does not hide what he wants and approaches his goals in more mature way(still a tunnel vision idiot just like veryone in the Zero cast).
 
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Antagonizing people to provoke attacks totally proves your point :)

Not that the King of Heroes would care about the opinion of a mongrel.
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03-08-15, 4:19 PM

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CookingPriest said:
kokusho36 said:
GARBrotato said:
k0k0 said:
I liked the previous OP/ED better, but the visuals of this ED were so pretty *_*

Nice episode. Am I the only one who's rooting for Matou Karya? (Die, Tokiomi, with your little golden bitch)
They both have selfish goals and go about achieving them the stupid way, so I don't really see why you'd root for one over the other. Well actually Tokiomi's planning is almost flawless, he just fucks up the execution.

I'd say I sympathize with Kariya though, especially considering what the worms did to him physically and mentally.

Kariya at least tries to hide his selfish reasons under a noble goal, Tokiomi just talks shit to him and the viewers don't really care about his plan to reach the Root/Origin.


But at least Tokiomi does not hide what he wants and approaches his goals in more mature way(still a tunnel vision idiot just like veryone in the Zero cast).
Perhaps but it's not like Kariya didn't care about Sakura at all. His noble goal may have been to hide his true intentions but he still genuinely wanted to help Sakura too.
 
03-08-15, 4:21 PM

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I feel like my posts are being stalked.

I don't really care about the hows and whats of the flawless or flawed plans of the Masters. Tokiomi is an ass. Isn't that reason enough to shut him down? Karya has sacrificed his body for a little girl he wants to save from a woeful fate. This act should have been her father's responsibility.
So yes, Tokiomi should die.

 
03-08-15, 4:35 PM

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k0k0 said:
I feel like my posts are being stalked.
Ehh no.

k0k0 said:
I don't really care about the hows and whats of the flawless or flawed plans of the Masters. Tokiomi is an ass. Isn't that reason enough to shut him down? Karya has sacrificed his body for a little girl he wants to save from a woeful fate. This act should have been her father's responsibility.
So yes, Tokiomi should die.
Tokiomi really isn't an ass. He has 0 knowledge about what's going on. If Kariya had the decency to explain to him what 'training' means for Zouken, the whole situation would have been solved by simple talking.

But nah why do that when he can, you know, just go like "I must kill Tokiomi so I can bang Aoi, and the best way to do that is if I can get Sakura back to her. She'll definitely love me if I do that, and by getting rid of Tokiomi everything will go smoothly."
 
03-08-15, 4:39 PM

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GARBrotato said:
k0k0 said:
I feel like my posts are being stalked.
Ehh no.

k0k0 said:
I don't really care about the hows and whats of the flawless or flawed plans of the Masters. Tokiomi is an ass. Isn't that reason enough to shut him down? Karya has sacrificed his body for a little girl he wants to save from a woeful fate. This act should have been her father's responsibility.
So yes, Tokiomi should die.
Tokiomi really isn't an ass. He has 0 knowledge about what's going on. If Kariya had the decency to explain to him what 'training' means for Zouken, the whole situation would have been solved by simple talking.

But nah why do that when he can, you know, just go like "I must kill Tokiomi so I can bang Aoi, and the best way to do that is if I can get Sakura back to her. She'll definitely love me if I do that, and by getting rid of Tokiomi everything will go smoothly."


Huh. How is it possible that Tokiomi does not know the Matou family's training regime? He's already witnessed the state of Karya, so how can the thought that his daughter will turn into a similar being not cross his mind?
In that case he's also stupid and, therefore, deserves to die.

 
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Wasn't it mentioned in the LN that



So lazy and haven't read the novel :/ so I'm not sure if the spoiler is true.
 
03-08-15, 4:42 PM

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Tokiomi really isn't an ass. He has 0 knowledge about what's going on. If Kariya had the decency to explain to him what 'training' means for Zouken, the whole situation would have been solved by simple talking.

But nah why do that when he can, you know, just go like "I must kill Tokiomi so I can bang Aoi, and the best way to do that is if I can get Sakura back to her. She'll definitely love me if I do that, and by getting rid of Tokiomi everything will go smoothly."

I was under the impression that Tokiomi would have approved any training method if it meant more glory for his "family". The discussion between him and Kariya was pretty clear on this, imho, but maybe the novel explains it better.
 
03-08-15, 4:44 PM

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Huh. How is it possible that Tokiomi does not know the Matou family's training regime? He's already witnessed the state of Karya, so how can the thought that his daughter will turn into a similar being not cross his mind?
The difference is Kariya doesn't have much potential and sucks at magic, and needed to power up in a very short amount of time.

Sakura doesn't have to do that, she just needs to grow up and give birth to a mage. Which doesn't require the same thing as Kariya.


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In that case he's also stupid and, therefore, deserves to die.
Oh he definitely is, but so is Kariya.
 
03-08-15, 4:45 PM

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kokusho36 said:
GARBrotato said:
Tokiomi really isn't an ass. He has 0 knowledge about what's going on. If Kariya had the decency to explain to him what 'training' means for Zouken, the whole situation would have been solved by simple talking.

But nah why do that when he can, you know, just go like "I must kill Tokiomi so I can bang Aoi, and the best way to do that is if I can get Sakura back to her. She'll definitely love me if I do that, and by getting rid of Tokiomi everything will go smoothly."

I was under the impression that Tokiomi would have approved any training method if it meant more glory for his "family". The discussion between him and Kariya was pretty clear on this, imho, but maybe the novel explains it better.


That's an interesting point, if we take Sakura's words literally in HF



Either way the whole glory thing is dumb, who really knows out side of the two families that made the deal?
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03-08-15, 4:49 PM

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kokusho36 said:
I was under the impression that Tokiomi would have approved any training method if it meant more glory for his "family". The discussion between him and Kariya was pretty clear on this, imho, but maybe the novel explains it better.


Not really Kinoko Natsu and Urobuchi both stated that had Tokiomi have known, he would have helped Kariya. In Tokiomi's eyes tho, Kariya was a raving madman trying to get his wife.

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Wasn't it mentioned in the LN that



So lazy and haven't read the novel :/ so I'm not sure if the spoiler is true.


Yes, that too. Tokiomi could only guarantee protection to ONE. so instead of having to chose he wanted a way so both could be protected.


Tohsaka family is not important. They barely got the position they have by accepting christianity and by having an ancestor who was involved with Zelretch. Otherwise their name does not stand for much so only successor would be able to wield it as a privilege.

If both grew in same family - one would get all, the other nothing and thus would detest the one who got all. And the one who is successor would have all doors opened to her, while the one who is not would only get roadblocks.


Mahoyo showcases a Lot of what Tokiomi wanted to avoid with the sisters.

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In that case he's also stupid and, therefore, deserves to die.
Oh he definitely is, but so is Kariya.


To be exact: EVERYONE in this war is stupid idiot.
 
03-08-15, 4:50 PM

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The difference is Kariya doesn't have much potential and sucks at magic, and needed to power up in a very short amount of time.

Sakura doesn't have to do that, she just needs to grow up and give birth to a mage. Which doesn't require the same thing as Kariya.


She doesn't have to be a Mage herself? But didn't Tokiomi mention that she had 'the potential' that he didn't want to be wasted? If giving birth to a Mage is all that she was supposed to be used for, then she should've just married one, no?
EDIT: Karya said Tokiomi would pit sister against sister in a battle, so that would mean Sakura wasn't just a vessel for the birth of a Mage, but would've fought.

And we're agreed, aren't we, that Tokiomi fully knew the consequences of sending his daughter to the Matou family? In that case, I'm going to assume what kokusho36 said: He would have approved any training method if it meant more glory for his "family".

I'm assuming you've read the light novels/other stuff.
Fate/Zero is my first Fate/ series.

 
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k0k0 said:
GARBrotato said:
The difference is Kariya doesn't have much potential and sucks at magic, and needed to power up in a very short amount of time.

Sakura doesn't have to do that, she just needs to grow up and give birth to a mage. Which doesn't require the same thing as Kariya.


She doesn't have to be a Mage herself? But didn't Tokiomi mentioned that she had 'the potential' that he didn't want to be wasted? If giving birth to a Mage is all that she was supposed to be used for, then she should've just married one, no?
EDIT: Karya said Tokiomi would pit sister against sister in a battle, so that would mean Sakura wasn't just a vessel for the birth of a Mage, but would've fought.

And we're agreed, aren't we, that Tokiomi fully knew the consequences of sending his daughter to the Matou family? In that case, I'm going to assume what kokusho36 said: He would have approved any training method if it meant more glory for his "family".

I'm assuming you've read the light novels/other stuff.
Fate/Zero is my first Fate/ series.


That potential does not require some sort of experimentation. Only knowledge, really.

Being the most powerful child in matou family, she would be named successor(even if unable to get the magic crest, theoretically) and thus would have all that is needed available to advance.

Being a successor of a powerful family would open all the doors provide less danger from association upon failures.

IF she was to stay in the same family, then only one sister would be the successor and the other would have no protection - and with potential like that (Rin and Sakura has magic circuits and magic output that rivals the best of best in the whole magi world), the one who is not successor, would end up in pieces in some magi association lab at worst, or get a sealing designation and be hunted at best.

No, Tokiomi would not agree to Zouken's true nature and to the training he does. conservative as he may be, Tokiomi is responsible for that land, and what Zouken is doing very clearly breaks the rules.

Tokiomi simply was gullible enough to believe what Zouken was selling. Tokiomi saw what he did as giving equal chances to both children and allowing them to be their best.
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That potential does not require some sort of experimentation. Only knowledge, really.

Being the most powerful child in matou family, she would be named successor(even if unable to get the magic crest, theoretically) and thus would have all that is needed available to advance.

Being a successor of a powerful family would provide less danger from association.

IF she was to stay in the same family, then only one sister would be the successor and the other would have no protection - and with potential like that (Rin and Sakura has magic circuits and magic output that rivals the best of best in the whole magi world), the one who is not successor, would end up in pieces in some magi association lab at worst, or get a sealing designation and be hunted at best.

No, Tokiomi would not agree to Zouken's true nature and to the training he does. conservative as he may be, Tokiomi is responsible for that land, and what Zouken is doing very clearly breaks the rules.

Tokiomi simply was gullible enough to believe what Zouken was selling. Tokiomi saw what he did as giving equal chances to both children and allowing them to be their best.


Hm. I wasn't aware of that. It does slightly change my opinion of Tokiomi.
However, when he faced off Karya, he must have had some awareness that his daughter might have been put through what he was, making him turn out to be the way he is. And besides all that, he still chose to stick to his plans of keeping Sakura there, going so far as thanking Karya for breaking off his association with his family. He also called them "rabble" I think, so it's hard to believe he'd mind Sakura's training with Zouken.
On the other hand, Karya simply wants to save Sakura from the fate he knows will befall her. And he loved the girls (and their mother, I think) so he fights for a noble cause.

 
03-15-15, 12:29 AM

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Always have loved this season's OP & ED. Watching these crazy set pieces still get me just as hyped as the first time I watched them.
 
04-21-15, 12:14 PM

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Caster's master is out. That was a 'cool' shot. But not as cool as Berserker! :D The guy is really badass. I can't wait to hear his story.

The new ED is so beautiful!
 
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