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| All I could think of during the fight in the sky was: Ace Combat 'Zero'. xD (But, great episode as always!) |
Yumekichi11 said: He is wright the F-15 is a better fighter it was designed as a air superiority fighter while the F-18 was designed as a multirole fighter.zeon said: I though the best fighter was the F-18.....well it does not matter because the details is where it's at. The sidewinders and 120 AIM where nicely done TBH. It's just a shame that there was no missile firing by one of the pilots.Montrovant1488 said: Nice headshot! Now I see why America's airforce is in a tight spot, an F-15 can barely manage to keep up with an ancient mesopotamic relic, shame on you USAF!! Perhaps that's why Japan won't go after the F-35 after all. I can't tell if you're joking or not, but the F-15 is probably the greatest air combat fighter ever made, and it was designed for just that -- air combat. Not for fighting monsters from Godzilla. Good episode. In other worlds the F-15 was specifically designed for air to air combat while the F-18 was both designed for air to air and air to ground combat. Since the F-15 was designed as a single purpose jet so it has some advantages over a multipurpose jet in air to air combat since it was designed specifically for that goal. Tho in Air to ground combat the F-18 has the advantage over the F-15 because of it's multipurpose design but it would have a disadvantage over a jet which was specifically designed for ground attack such as the A-10. When it comes to overall combat the F-18 would have the advantage over both the F-15 and the A-10 because of it's multipurpose design. Tho i also have to say that even tho the F-15 would have a advantage in air to air combat it will still have a hard time with multirole fighters such as the F-18 or the F-16 and the outcome of such a battle also greatly depends on the pilots. Now about the F-35 it's not a bad aircraft on the contrary it will have a few advantages over all the aircraft mentioned before the main one being it's stealth technology. The main reason why it's in a bad spot is the rising costs for the F-35 project which makes investors doubt and some even turn to alternatives. Most of these investors are country's which would like the replace there current jet fleet with the F-35 thing is many country's are on a tight budget and many of them are having budget cuts. And even though it's a bad idea some of them are cutting down the budget on there defence including the US itself. Meaning they want to know what the f-35 will cost them over the period the want to use it which is currently impossible to know due to the rising costs of the project. |
thekaas said: Lost quite a bit of sympathy for Tokiomi. Are they deliberately making me hate him as a lead-up to Really? Had the exact opposite effect for me. In my eyes, he became a lot more sympathetic after this episode. |
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akutasame94 said: Hakuromatsu said: akutasame94 said: Reading Epic of Gilgamesh might provide more clues (he was half God you know)... Actually, he was two-thirds god (don't ask how that works). And the only thing that prevented him from achieving full immortality was a snake stealing it from him, after which he wept at having gained nothing for his troubles. If I were up against Gilgamesh in the Grail War, I would casually bring up the fact that the King of Heroes was defeated by a snake just to see if I could break his haughty demeanor. Yes... I forgot that detail about being two-thirds God... No matter, I read it two years ago... :P Still I laughed my ass off when I read your last sentence... LoL But he wanted to help his people with immortality too, he wasn't so arrogant and selfish... c´mon it was low of the snake to steal the immortality plant from Gil while he was taking a bath. It is stated that Gil was bad at first, but then when he met |
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Orulyon said: akutasame94 said: Hakuromatsu said: akutasame94 said: Reading Epic of Gilgamesh might provide more clues (he was half God you know)... Actually, he was two-thirds god (don't ask how that works). And the only thing that prevented him from achieving full immortality was a snake stealing it from him, after which he wept at having gained nothing for his troubles. If I were up against Gilgamesh in the Grail War, I would casually bring up the fact that the King of Heroes was defeated by a snake just to see if I could break his haughty demeanor. Yes... I forgot that detail about being two-thirds God... No matter, I read it two years ago... :P Still I laughed my ass off when I read your last sentence... LoL But he wanted to help his people with immortality too, he wasn't so arrogant and selfish... c´mon it was low of the snake to steal the immortality plant from Gil while he was taking a bath. It is stated that Gil was bad at first, but then when he met Really? LoL Can't wait to see... |
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| I like the berserker here than in the first season, he looks like a crazy soldier who's hungry for blood.. :D this is a good start for the second season.. |
| I hope I can watch this with everyone's memory of the story (and the 'parent story') wiped. Must be fun to guess who will win, speculating, shipping certain heroes, etc. 5/5 |
| Ah yes, more Fate/Zero is a great thing. This episode was pretty spectacular, and I feel things are starting to fall into place already for some major plot twists/big events. |
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Orulyon said: It is stated that Gil was bad at first, but then when he met I agree, for a character from such an old story he's surprisingly two-dimensional. |
| Great episode, but still can't think it's awesome... |
| This shit is horribly epic. 6/5 |
| The new OP and ED are fantastic and the episode was simply epic. As perfect as season 1. |
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fimbu1vetr said: Technically in sheer stats Rider is the strongest Servant in the 4th War as Gil is not that strong. But Gil has a broken NP in his Gate of Babylon and Ea hence he's the type of Servant that has a Noble Phantasm stronger than he is. And then some argue Berserker can beat Saber but no, I think she can beat him although he's pretty evenly matched with her, it's not surprising either but saying why it's not surprising would be a spoiler.itsvero said: Lastly, can't wait to freaking see Saber's Noble Phantasm. It's gotta kick freaking ass cuz she's the highest Servant class. ! "Sabers are the strongest" technically but Rider, Berserker, and Gil definitely beat her in this Grail War. I mean its arguable for her vs Rider and Berserker but she can only beat Rider if Excalibur hits him in his reality marble (extremely difficult with his Gordius wheel) while she'd need time to use it against Berserker. And Berserker has better stats than her along with some other advantages. Also @ the subs. GIL THE GARDNER LOL! The way I see it, judging both NP's and stats it goes a little like this: Archer > Rider > Saber > Berserker > Lancer > Caster > Assassin with Archer being first only because of GoB and Ea and Saber having an edge over Berserker because of her mana supplies. I also want to add Saber is actually capable of being number 1 if she HAD Avalon, which is currently in Irisviel's possession at the behest of Kiritsugu. Avalon is the ultimate EX rank defensive NP which makes her invulnerable even to Ea and heals any wounds. In other words, if she had Avalon with Kiritsugu's stable source of mana she can barrel through all her competition. Of course, the author worked against her by making Avalon innaccesible all through the 4th Holy Grail War, for plot convenience. |
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Leon-Gun said: fimbu1vetr said: Technically in sheer stats Rider is the strongest Servant in the 4th War as Gil is not that strong. But Gil has a broken NP in his Gate of Babylon and Ea hence he's the type of Servant that has a Noble Phantasm stronger than he is. And then some argue Berserker can beat Saber but no, I think she can beat him although he's pretty evenly matched with her, it's not surprising either but saying why it's not surprising would be a spoiler.itsvero said: Lastly, can't wait to freaking see Saber's Noble Phantasm. It's gotta kick freaking ass cuz she's the highest Servant class. ! "Sabers are the strongest" technically but Rider, Berserker, and Gil definitely beat her in this Grail War. I mean its arguable for her vs Rider and Berserker but she can only beat Rider if Excalibur hits him in his reality marble (extremely difficult with his Gordius wheel) while she'd need time to use it against Berserker. And Berserker has better stats than her along with some other advantages. Also @ the subs. GIL THE GARDNER LOL! The way I see it, judging both NP's and stats it goes a little like this: Archer > Rider > Saber > Berserker > Lancer > Caster > Assassin with Archer being first only because of GoB and Ea and Saber having an edge over Berserker because of her mana supplies. I also want to add Saber is actually capable of being number 1 if she HAD Avalon, which is currently in Irisviel's possession at the behest of Kiritsugu. Avalon is the ultimate EX rank defensive NP which makes her invulnerable even to Ea and heals any wounds. In other words, if she had Avalon with Kiritsugu's stable source of mana she can barrel through all her competition. Of course, the author worked against her by making Avalon innaccesible all through the 4th Holy Grail War, for plot convenience. |
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| Top of the line action and entertainment from this episode. Gloves are off. I'm I the only one who would like to see Kariya kick Tohsaka in the teeth? What he did to his daughter is unforgivable. Kariya is much more human than he is. |
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akutasame94 said: Don't bash on my Saber... She's the best :P I don't think anyone is bashing her. |
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Ragna92 said: akutasame94 said: Don't bash on my Saber... She's the best :P I don't think anyone is bashing her. Ah well, you know what I mean... |
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| Ryonousuke!!! ahh screw him. great stuff as usual. Gilgamesh awesome as usual. Berserker took over a jet? this is gonna be good. |
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Ragna92 said: Pretty sure he meant you, since you insisted on the "she can't defeat Gil, Rider or Berserker". Personally I think people give Rider too much credit and Berserker has one fatal flaw, he burns through his Master's mana like crazy. Pretty sure the only Berserker to have a Master that can fully make use of his abilities was Heracles.akutasame94 said: Don't bash on my Saber... She's the best :P I don't think anyone is bashing her. |
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Leon-Gun said: Ragna92 said: Pretty sure he meant you, since you insisted on the "she can't defeat Gil, Rider or Berserker". Personally I think people give Rider too much credit and Berserker has one fatal flaw, he burns through his Master's mana like crazy. Pretty sure the only Berserker to have a Master that can fully make use of his abilities was Heracles.akutasame94 said: Don't bash on my Saber... She's the best :P I don't think anyone is bashing her. I never said she can't defeat Berserker, I said it would be a pretty tough fight. You said that she would barrel her way through the competition with Avalon but I'm saying she can't. Berserkers strength pretty much varies. If he had Kiritsugu as his master he would own this war. Imagine berserker with nukes. |
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Leon-Gun said: Gil doesn't have high stats? All of his stats are B and above. If you give the stats numerical values and average them out (E=1, D=2, and so on, ignoring pluses), he's actually second to Berserker in stats if you factor in that EX NP. Also, Saber's stats are all equal to or better than Rider's, except for her Lancer-class Luck. Berserker's got the best stats overall (ignoring Gil's NP), but that's kind of the point of the class. With Avalon she could probably beat Berserker, probably without if she gets off Excalibur. Technically in sheer stats Rider is the strongest Servant in the 4th War as Gil is not that strong. But Gil has a broken NP in his Gate of Babylon and Ea hence he's the type of Servant that has a Noble Phantasm stronger than he is. And then some argue Berserker can beat Saber but no, I think she can beat him although he's pretty evenly matched with her, it's not surprising either but saying why it's not surprising would be a spoiler. The way I see it, judging both NP's and stats it goes a little like this: Archer > Rider > Saber > Berserker > Lancer > Caster > Assassin with Archer being first only because of GoB and Ea and Saber having an edge over Berserker because of her mana supplies. I also want to add Saber is actually capable of being number 1 if she HAD Avalon, which is currently in Irisviel's possession at the behest of Kiritsugu. Avalon is the ultimate EX rank defensive NP which makes her invulnerable even to Ea and heals any wounds. In other words, if she had Avalon with Kiritsugu's stable source of mana she can barrel through all her competition. Of course, the author worked against her by making Avalon innaccesible all through the 4th Holy Grail War, for plot convenience. That said, Avalon wouldn't save her from a serious Gilgamesh. It counters Ea, sure, but what is she going to do about Gate of Babylon? I could be wrong, but I recall that she can't attack with the invincibility effect up and the healing won't do her any good if she can't get close/she takes a fatal blow before she does so. I agree with your ranking, though, that looks about right.. |
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TheRealBoyd said: Leon-Gun said: Gil doesn't have high stats? All of his stats are B and above. If you give the stats numerical values and average them out (E=1, D=2, and so on, ignoring pluses), he's actually second to Berserker in stats if you factor in that EX NP. Also, Saber's stats are all equal to or better than Rider's, except for her Lancer-class Luck. Berserker's got the best stats overall (ignoring Gil's NP), but that's kind of the point of the class. With Avalon she could probably beat Berserker, probably without if she gets off Excalibur. Technically in sheer stats Rider is the strongest Servant in the 4th War as Gil is not that strong. But Gil has a broken NP in his Gate of Babylon and Ea hence he's the type of Servant that has a Noble Phantasm stronger than he is. And then some argue Berserker can beat Saber but no, I think she can beat him although he's pretty evenly matched with her, it's not surprising either but saying why it's not surprising would be a spoiler. The way I see it, judging both NP's and stats it goes a little like this: Archer > Rider > Saber > Berserker > Lancer > Caster > Assassin with Archer being first only because of GoB and Ea and Saber having an edge over Berserker because of her mana supplies. I also want to add Saber is actually capable of being number 1 if she HAD Avalon, which is currently in Irisviel's possession at the behest of Kiritsugu. Avalon is the ultimate EX rank defensive NP which makes her invulnerable even to Ea and heals any wounds. In other words, if she had Avalon with Kiritsugu's stable source of mana she can barrel through all her competition. Of course, the author worked against her by making Avalon innaccesible all through the 4th Holy Grail War, for plot convenience. That said, Avalon wouldn't save her from a serious Gilgamesh. It counters Ea, sure, but what is she going to do about Gate of Babylon? I could be wrong, but I recall that she can't attack with the invincibility effect up and the healing won't do her any good if she can't get close/she takes a fatal blow before she does so. I agree with your ranking, though, that looks about right.. Serious Gil would also mean using Vinema. And he supposedly has nukes in there according to side material. |
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Ragna92 said: Serious Gil only happened 1 time and that was in Fate/Hollow Ataraxia. He called it a "one in a lifetime whim".TheRealBoyd said: Leon-Gun said: Gil doesn't have high stats? All of his stats are B and above. If you give the stats numerical values and average them out (E=1, D=2, and so on, ignoring pluses), he's actually second to Berserker in stats if you factor in that EX NP. Also, Saber's stats are all equal to or better than Rider's, except for her Lancer-class Luck. Berserker's got the best stats overall (ignoring Gil's NP), but that's kind of the point of the class. With Avalon she could probably beat Berserker, probably without if she gets off Excalibur. Technically in sheer stats Rider is the strongest Servant in the 4th War as Gil is not that strong. But Gil has a broken NP in his Gate of Babylon and Ea hence he's the type of Servant that has a Noble Phantasm stronger than he is. And then some argue Berserker can beat Saber but no, I think she can beat him although he's pretty evenly matched with her, it's not surprising either but saying why it's not surprising would be a spoiler. The way I see it, judging both NP's and stats it goes a little like this: Archer > Rider > Saber > Berserker > Lancer > Caster > Assassin with Archer being first only because of GoB and Ea and Saber having an edge over Berserker because of her mana supplies. I also want to add Saber is actually capable of being number 1 if she HAD Avalon, which is currently in Irisviel's possession at the behest of Kiritsugu. Avalon is the ultimate EX rank defensive NP which makes her invulnerable even to Ea and heals any wounds. In other words, if she had Avalon with Kiritsugu's stable source of mana she can barrel through all her competition. Of course, the author worked against her by making Avalon innaccesible all through the 4th Holy Grail War, for plot convenience. That said, Avalon wouldn't save her from a serious Gilgamesh. It counters Ea, sure, but what is she going to do about Gate of Babylon? I could be wrong, but I recall that she can't attack with the invincibility effect up and the healing won't do her any good if she can't get close/she takes a fatal blow before she does so. I agree with your ranking, though, that looks about right.. Serious Gil would also mean using Vinema. And he supposedly has nukes in there according to side material. |
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TheRealBoyd said: If that's seriou I'm calling bullshit on him being able to win in one night.Not quite. |
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| Next episode: EXCARIBAAAAAAAAAAAAH!! |
| Epic. OP by Kalafina is spine-chilling btw. |
Leon-Gun said: TheRealBoyd said: If that's seriou I'm calling bullshit on him being able to win in one night.Not quite. And why's that? That seemed like it only took a few minutes. That's more than enough time to win the war in one night. |
| Splendid episode. One of my favorites, probably tied with episodes 11 and 5. The air fight between Gilgamesh and Berserker was very well done, and I also liked the dialogue between Tokiomi and Kariya. I have to say, I didn't hate Ryuunosuke. He and Caster seemed like the only duo with a really strong relationship, I mean, they enjoyed the hell out of each other, it was very fun to watch in a batshit insane way. As already mentioned, it's just fiction, and I have a tendency of liking fictional villains because they tend to be more interesting to follow. His death scene was really well done and Kiritsugu was boss at the end of the episode, saying he would put to test the so called chivalry between Lancer and Saber. I already feel sorry for Lancer, though. He is a very charismatic character, but I have a feeling he will be gone really soon. That will be sad... |
| 23 mins+ of epic action indeed. Gilgamesh is such a fucking boss. |
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| so much hype bout nothing > saber supposedly the main char sucks in both animes so far (fateSN and zero first season), shes fucking bad and not strong at all and wins only with some broken imbalanced special attacks which for some reaosn she doesnt use at the start but after 15 min of fighting - childish and retarded fights in a pg 17+ anime > berserker in fateSN is hercules which is fucking retarded considering hes monstrous and huge, berserker in fatezero is an intelligent 'Creature' which can control technology by tapping into it - makes no fucking sense but thats fatekids for you > random exaggerated spells and stuff as usual ( caster's creature ) whatever ive already given up hope on the entire fate -thing series, so much potential all wasted, only reason im gonna watch it is to hopefully get some kid Rin so i can fap on her black tights , mad bro |
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incisorr said: so much hype bout nothing > saber supposedly the main char sucks in both animes so far (fateSN and zero first season), shes fucking bad and not strong at all and wins only with some broken imbalanced special attacks which for some reaosn she doesnt use at the start but after 15 min of fighting - childish and retarded fights in a pg 17+ anime > berserker in fateSN is hercules which is fucking retarded considering hes monstrous and huge, berserker in fatezero is an intelligent 'Creature' which can control technology by tapping into it - makes no fucking sense but thats fatekids for you > random exaggerated spells and stuff as usual ( caster's creature ) whatever ive already given up hope on the entire fate -thing series, so much potential all wasted, only reason im gonna watch it is to hopefully get some kid Rin so i can fap on her black tights , mad bro Saber isn't the main character and if you think she sucks and is weak then you're mistaken. I can see your just trolling because what you say doesn't make any sense. Chilidsh and retarded fights? |
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incisorr said: so much hype bout nothing > saber supposedly the main char sucks in both animes so far (fateSN and zero first season), shes fucking bad and not strong at all and wins only with some broken imbalanced special attacks which for some reaosn she doesnt use at the start but after 15 min of fighting - childish and retarded fights in a pg 17+ anime > berserker in fateSN is hercules which is fucking retarded considering hes monstrous and huge, berserker in fatezero is an intelligent 'Creature' which can control technology by tapping into it - makes no fucking sense but thats fatekids for you > random exaggerated spells and stuff as usual ( caster's creature ) whatever ive already given up hope on the entire fate -thing series, so much potential all wasted, only reason im gonna watch it is to hopefully get some kid Rin so i can fap on her black tights , mad bro Exactly the kind of retarded complaints and reasoning I'd expect from someone who has this on his profile. incisorr said: Other than that, people who don't like fanservice and ecchi animes are gays and fags, you can tell me "but whats wrong with being gay"? well you know whats wrong, homosexuals are possessed by demons, thats like.. why would you prefer a dog shit instead a flower |
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Ragna92 said: Apparently he forgot how Saber ALMOST DIED in F/SN just by using Excalibur once.incisorr said: so much hype bout nothing > saber supposedly the main char sucks in both animes so far (fateSN and zero first season), shes fucking bad and not strong at all and wins only with some broken imbalanced special attacks which for some reaosn she doesnt use at the start but after 15 min of fighting - childish and retarded fights in a pg 17+ anime > berserker in fateSN is hercules which is fucking retarded considering hes monstrous and huge, berserker in fatezero is an intelligent 'Creature' which can control technology by tapping into it - makes no fucking sense but thats fatekids for you > random exaggerated spells and stuff as usual ( caster's creature ) whatever ive already given up hope on the entire fate -thing series, so much potential all wasted, only reason im gonna watch it is to hopefully get some kid Rin so i can fap on her black tights , mad bro Saber isn't the main character and if you think she sucks and is weak then you're mistaken. I can see your just trolling because what you say doesn't make any sense. Chilidsh and retarded fights? |
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| I wouldn't even bother trying to reply to Incisorr guys. |
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| what's with 'loved it' ? IT'S FUCKING EPICCCCCCC I LITERALLY SCREAMED IN EVERY FUCKING MINUTE OF THE EP OMG AND THE OPENING <33333333 Kalafina FTW!!! i can't even comment properly WHAT IS THERE TO COMMENT ABOUT I'LL JUST LIST THE WHOLE EP HERE Gil sama was fucking gloriousssss and ommmmmmmgggggg Berserkerrrr oh Berserker thanks for existing <3 that psycho Ryuunosuke, even your death is COORU boy :))) EVERYTHING IN THIS EP IS FUCKING EPIC. |
| Eh, too much obvious CGI and the dogfight between Gil and Berserker was just dumb. They even tried digressing from the main plot with the JSFD pilots "drama", not impressed by the first episode. |
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| Pilots "digressing" was exactly as it was in the novels. IMO it was a welcome outsider's point of view on the debacle. |
Subby said: Pilots "digressing" was exactly as it was in the novels. IMO it was a welcome outsider's point of view on the debacle. To be honest, I would've been bothered by such a cliched daikaiju film conversation, but the one pilot lampshaded it himself. |
| just watched episode 14..and I LOVED IT!! The whole episode was so full of stuff that it felt that it ended in just five minutes. The only problem is that I'm having problems with Ryunosuke's deaf. I want to hate him and by happy that he is dead, but at the same time, I'm going to miss him. He was so cute. Ryunosuke probably would of been many of people's favorite character if he was not a serial killer. |
| im happy to see that frog faced shithead die but i was hoping he would scream like a bitch when he see his own blood |
| I'm happy to see part 2, although somehow I expected more. I found this episode rather disappointing for some reason. I'll follow it since my memories of part 1 were great. |
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