Accel World (light novel)
Immahnoob said: wakka9ca said: Facepalm at the entire thread. Makes me wonder why I am here again? Oh well, I was bored... /useless comment No, seriously people? Off topic much?? /off topic Check page 18-19, you'll have tons of comments there. Just read those and reply to those. And I have no reason to reply. I agree with all of you. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
wakka9ca said: Immahnoob said: wakka9ca said: Facepalm at the entire thread. Makes me wonder why I am here again? Oh well, I was bored... /useless comment No, seriously people? Off topic much?? /off topic Check page 18-19, you'll have tons of comments there. Just read those and reply to those. And I have no reason to reply. I agree with all of you. You... Do o.o? NEUTRAL LEVEL: OVER 9000 |
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Ajunky said: What!? ... I mean What!??? Damn, who wrote that?, it's wrong on so many levels... How did we get from cool guys like batman, who kill the bad guys, to pathetic emo wannabe heroes that can't fight without peeing themselves?, And I'm talking about the 40's batman, not the most recent adaptation... they really got it wrong, the old ones were the real badasses. *heavy breathing* *ahem* Ok, to not be too off topic... what's the topic again? I think this has derailed too much from the original issue... Hmm... as said again and again, it's not the fattiness what makes Haru a bad MC, it's the damn loser attitude. I remember this tv series, "Martial Law", that had a fat guy as the MC (Sammo Hung) and damn, that guy was kick ass, far nimbler that you would guess. The real problem is that Haru hates his body. If you are fat and hate it, then for god's sake do something about it, put your will into it even if it's hard or you'll just have a life filled with frustration. If you're fat and you're OK with it then there's no problem... Obviously this applies to anything you hate about yourself, if it brings you that much suffering why let if ruin your life? At the expense of being cliche, If you don't like yourself, who's going to like you? lots of beautiful women as this anime suggests? why don't we call that realistic just to troll people? ... anyway, here's a rhetoric riddle: what's a ball that has no balls? Because all people can be all straight forward and none can choose the third option, which is being fat and pitying himself, it's still excusable. And no, the topic is about him being fat and that annoys some people, not really his personality, but they started the personality talk o.O, even with everything it's just them being intolerant and not understanding other people. |
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Ajunky said: Immahnoob said: Well, I did mention that option, having a life filled with frustration, the worst option but hey, it's their call.Because all people can be all straight forward and none can choose the third option, which is being fat and pitying himself, it's still excusable. Not only their call, as you can see Haru has been bullied for so long that he got a trauma... He's crying over losing his "wings" in a game, and goes into desperate mode so fast. He has nightmares of his bullies too. The trauma is severe, he needs help, he can't get over this by himself anymore. |
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Ajunky said: Immahnoob said: Yet he refuses help, he's got 2 great friends by his side, and a potential girlfriend who's also eager to help. Even a normal intervention is out of the question. It takes someone to forcefully drag him around to show him a way and, hopefully, make him snap out of it. And it just happens to be an old enemy who tries that. Haru can't see his blessings.The trauma is severe, he needs help, he can't get over this by himself anymore. It's another side effect of Inferiority Complex. He thinks he can't be helped. |
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| Immahnoob, why do you love Haru so much? |
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| Urr... May be because fat is not really handsome and people want to see someone handsome as main protagonist (Don't hit me on this, i think it's just a common thoughts, i know there are a lot of people who love fat-type...) |
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ataraxial said: Immahnoob, why do you love Haru so much? Hm...? He's not on my fav list. So I don't love him. It's that I understand his problems. Especially that they are explained, so it's not like I'm inventing stuff on the spot. I had friends like him, so I think I understand his pain somewhat. I do love arguing, proving people wrong or simply make them think my point of view = theirs, most people on MAL seem to watch anime just to have something running on their screens and there you have it, reasons to argue also it pisses me off too. |
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| I welcome the change. It's such a different change then the typical strong, muscular shounen hero |
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Immahnoob said: But you are trying to prove people wrong about a subject that is almost impossible to win because IT'S SUBJECTIVE ! The only way Haru can be cured with the attitude he has is by letting him fall to the end and hope he doesn't get traumatized. Or by forcing him into a treatment. But let's be honest, Haru is too much into drinking his "woe is me" Kool-Aid to see he has enough help besides him to move on. Heck, during the start of the series Taku's main issue with him was that he was blind to how lucky he was. Haru is unlikable, that can't be sidestepped. It doesn't matter if he is like that because of issues, he is just not likable and not even getting in his shoes help because when you do you realize he has help, a lot of it.ataraxial said: Immahnoob, why do you love Haru so much? Hm...? He's not on my fav list. So I don't love him. It's that I understand his problems. Especially that they are explained, so it's not like I'm inventing stuff on the spot. I had friends like him, so I think I understand his pain somewhat. I do love arguing, proving people wrong or simply make them think my point of view = theirs, most people on MAL seem to watch anime just to have something running on their screens and there you have it, reasons to argue also it pisses me off too. |
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| What part of 'making my point of view become their point of view' you didn't get? It's not that, but they're acting like the series is shit even tho it's all explained. It's obvious that a 13 year old will have harder time to notice anything around him, he's crying over a game too, kids are easier to scar. |
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Immahnoob said: What part of 'making my point of view become their point of view' you didn't get? It's not that, but they're acting like the series is shit even tho it's all explained. It's obvious that a 13 year old will have harder time to notice anything around him, he's crying over a game too, kids are easier to scar. The part he didn't get was where your opinion is objective and correct while everyone else's is subjective and thus wrong. |
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ataraxial said: Immahnoob said: What part of 'making my point of view become their point of view' you didn't get? It's not that, but they're acting like the series is shit even tho it's all explained. It's obvious that a 13 year old will have harder time to notice anything around him, he's crying over a game too, kids are easier to scar. The part he didn't get was where your opinion is objective and correct while everyone else's is subjective and thus wrong. That time is long forgotten, since we started repeating ourselves every post. Wait a second... Was that a trap?! Aaanyways, being objective means being somewhat neutral, not being influenced by your own opinion and basing myself on what are facts. How is Haru's illness not a fact? How is his age not a fact? How is my information and the side effects of his illness even near bias? Btw, if you see weird things in my comments like more letters on some words, or badly quoted stuff its because I'm using my phone, which is a nokia 5230. It's sad. |
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| Crying for the Devil in Nomi's case or even symphaty for the Devil in extreme case. If we get good character development on him or at least see his descent to madness quite detailed. Nobody is born evil, made evil yes. I'm not trying to attribute an illness to him but trying somewhat to add the side effects to the illness itself. I mean, from what I have observed from the so many people with an inferiority complex. These may not be objective, maybe at all because it has different effects on different people, even if the primary side effect is still feeling inferior to people around you. Also, to 'make' a fact you need to be subjective if you get what I mean, everything you observe is subjective aka pretty much bias. Not necessarily, just a lot more objective than others, I was talking in hyperbole to show my point. But hey, this might be my self confidence speaking even if I have my own fans. XD Btw, how did he intentionally put his friends to peril? |
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Immahnoob said: Nobody is born evil, made evil yes. Prove it. The rest of your post was uninteresting and made little to no sense. |
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| I won't quote you either, your post is uninteresting D:. It's pretty obvious, you either have a mental illness, your education was not good enough or missing entirely (left to your own little mischiefs, to strangers etc etc etc) or you were treated as complete shit and your personality was one that never believed you should have been treated as such so then you start hating. And now it depends from individual to individual. Some might act like Haru, some might act like Nomi (these examples are a bit shallow, but at least you know what I mean). Being a lot more cold blooded as a child does not mean you're evil, I mean if your parents/friends make you do something "evil" as a child and you don't feel remorse that's because you might be cold blooded, not "evil", or somewhat "weird". Repeateadly doing "evil" and accepting that these stuff aren't that "bad" is another thing that could happen, wow, there are so many things that could happen. Actually, in my opinion were not born "good" either, just in a balanced state with each ones traits being different, education and environment kicks in and tells you what you will be.. Or a mental illness. There are no facts over this, I suppose it's quite hard to make statistics on this stuff without adding to the "evil" yourself. BTW where wasn't I clear? |
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Ajunky said: Immahnoob said: In the last arc, keeping Taku in the dark makes him vulnerable to whatever Nomi is planning for him. I won't say it's intentional though, I don't doubt the thought hasn't crossed his mind, he's too busy retreating back into himself to think about it.Btw, how did he intentionally put his friends to peril? Chiyu is also in danger, Nomi made quite clear his interest in her and going by what Taku said, Haru also left her to fend by herself. If he can't help or defend her, he should at least let Taku do so. (Chiyu is not helping either by keeping herself quiet, but this discussion isn't about her.) Haru isn't thinking about anything else at the moment, he's going mad again... Hmmm, I can't defend him that much about this, but at least he's trying to get his "confidence" back by talking to Icarus and learning from her, after he does that he'll try to fuck Nomi, even if he has no plans, it's where this will go. He did went all mad on Taku "WHY DONT YOU HELP HER?" of course, that would have been enough if he wouldn't have went Neo Nazi JeShus afterwards, then Taku took everything, somewhat, like an insult. I don't want to see Chiyu going all lovey dovey on Haru later tho, then my arguments here would be slightly invalid o.o. |
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| I've always wondered why the MC is fat and short, but I never bitched about it. Since there's a thread about it, it must be a pretty serious subject. |
tempfilew said: I've always wondered why the MC is fat and short, but I never bitched about it. Since there's a thread about it, it must be a pretty serious subject. I didn't expect this thread to be a "big deal" honestly. |
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kaimax said: tempfilew said: I've always wondered why the MC is fat and short, but I never bitched about it. Since there's a thread about it, it must be a pretty serious subject. I didn't expect this thread to be a "big deal" honestly. When I saw that this was the hottest topic for this anime............. *sigh* |
| I don't care that he's fat, or clumsy, or a crybaby. But to make him 3 feet tall. C'mon Reki, you are so much better than this. |
| I hate weak, spineless wimpy protagonists. Being fat has nothing to do with it.... |
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Paul said: No issue with him being fat here. My issue is how short he is (like 1/2 of everyone's size) and his character design. At least they could have made him LOOK similar to the other characters in the series. this |
| Being fat, short, and whiny, as well as having one of the most annoying voices in anime industry(this guy also voiced Ouma Shu I believe) makes him hard to be seen as attractive, and anime relies on visuals quite a bit to express itself. hell, he doesn't even LOOK like most of the other characters, he looks like he was thrown from some kid's drawing into this as the protagonist, that is also a huge problem. |
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GodlyKyon said: Being fat, short, and whiny, as well as having one of the most annoying voices in anime industry(this guy also voiced Ouma Shu I believe) makes him hard to be seen as attractive, and anime relies on visuals quite a bit to express itself. I don't think the character is meant to be seen as attractive which is why they created him with so many negatives...just a thought. Visuals and what anime creators want express aren't always attractive. |
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Anime_Name said: GodlyKyon said: Being fat, short, and whiny, as well as having one of the most annoying voices in anime industry(this guy also voiced Ouma Shu I believe) makes him hard to be seen as attractive, and anime relies on visuals quite a bit to express itself. I don't think the character is meant to be seen as attractive which is why they created him with so many negatives...just a thought. Visuals and what anime creators want express aren't always attractive. I've debated this much for people to get this paragraph. |
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| I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? |
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Anime_Name said: GodlyKyon said: Being fat, short, and whiny, as well as having one of the most annoying voices in anime industry(this guy also voiced Ouma Shu I believe) makes him hard to be seen as attractive, and anime relies on visuals quite a bit to express itself. I don't think the character is meant to be seen as attractive which is why they created him with so many negatives...just a thought. Visuals and what anime creators want express aren't always attractive. Very true sir, as long as he does his job as a protagonist and you can clearly see everything from his point of view and at times feel what he feels, then it doesn't matter. Personally, I'd be more offended if the main character was a fat girl ;p |
Fu_Chan said: I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? Because people want a perfect hero. If the hero is not perfect, people will try to find faults, regardless of their pretense. |
pika2000 said: Fu_Chan said: I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? Because people want a perfect hero. If the hero is not perfect, people will try to find faults, regardless of their pretense. Well say they want a perfect hero but perfect heroes only work for fairy tales written for 5 year olds. When writing stories for readers/viewers with actual life experience the heroes are given tons of faults and shortcomings. |
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Anime_Name said: pika2000 said: Fu_Chan said: I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? Because people want a perfect hero. If the hero is not perfect, people will try to find faults, regardless of their pretense. Well say they want a perfect hero but perfect heroes only work for fairy tales written for 5 year olds. When writing stories for readers/viewers with actual life experience the heroes are given tons of faults and shortcomings. You unintentionally implied that most of MAL's community is made out of 5 years old children. You... Have our respect. - The Triumvirate. |
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| He looks like Cartman. I don't hate him tho, but I don't like how shorter he is compared to everyone. Fat guys are not midgets, lol. |
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fidwa634 said: Immahnoob said: I'm not even going to bother with you Fidwa634... That's... Just how much... You fail. Wow you put up a pretty good argument. Apparently being grounded in the real world means i fail. I've debated in this thread for about 12 pages just to neglect that argument you put in, and it worked. You should check the other pages out. |
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fidwa634 said: Anime_Name said: pika2000 said: Fu_Chan said: I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? Because people want a perfect hero. If the hero is not perfect, people will try to find faults, regardless of their pretense. Well say they want a perfect hero but perfect heroes only work for fairy tales written for 5 year olds. When writing stories for readers/viewers with actual life experience the heroes are given tons of faults and shortcomings. I'm curious in what fairy tale real world place you speak of where a guy who is shaped a lot like a bowling ball ends up dating the most popular girl in school? That's the real fairy tale. Stuff like that doesn't happen in real life. I said a hero with faults(to be determined by the writer) functions as a better character in stories not that a fat man getting a hot chick is realistic. The story is still a fictional one and the writer is using the MC and the MC's faults to send a message to the viewer, that message isn't as cut&dry or obvious as something like Beauty and the Beast but the writer is still going for it(realistic or not). If you can't pick up on it then maybe you should go back and watch Beauty and the Beast yourself. Dealing with your argument I'd have to say that I don't know about school but I've seen some fat guys with some pretty hot chics on dates on occasion. So it happens, I don't know why...but it is at least enough to spit on your little argument. |
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fidwa634 said: Anime_Name said: fidwa634 said: Anime_Name said: pika2000 said: Fu_Chan said: I don't see why it matters. I never had a problem with his weight, height, or even character design in general. He's not even a bad protag. and isn't "weak" either. But whatever. Who cares if he's attractive or not? Because people want a perfect hero. If the hero is not perfect, people will try to find faults, regardless of their pretense. Well say they want a perfect hero but perfect heroes only work for fairy tales written for 5 year olds. When writing stories for readers/viewers with actual life experience the heroes are given tons of faults and shortcomings. I'm curious in what fairy tale real world place you speak of where a guy who is shaped a lot like a bowling ball ends up dating the most popular girl in school? That's the real fairy tale. Stuff like that doesn't happen in real life. I said a hero with faults(to be determined by the writer) functions as a better character in stories not that a fat man getting a hot chick is realistic. The story is still a fictional one and the writer is using the MC and the MC's faults to send a message to the viewer, that message isn't as cut&dry or obvious as something like Beauty and the Beast but the writer is still going for it(realistic or not). If you can't pick up on it then maybe you should go back and watch Beauty and the Beast yourself. Dealing with your argument I'd have to say that I don't know about school but I've seen some fat guys with some pretty hot chics on dates on occasion. So it happens, I don't know why...but it is at least enough to spit on your little argument. I don't know where you live but in los angeles every1 is way too superficial for that. The only way fat guys ever get hot girls is if they have money. Los Angeles vs the rest of the world. I wonder who shalt win. Yeah, yeah. It's an exaggeration. But I know fat people that did get hot chicks. And only because of their personality. Being fat is also not always ugly. It depends from person to person. Also, personality > everything else most of the times. |
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fidwa634 said: I don't know where you live but in los angeles every1 is way too superficial for that. The only way fat guys ever get hot girls is if they have money. And? A fat guy dating a hot girl is all you were talking about why that happens is unknown to spectators. Sure you can construct some silly reason like money in order to make yourself feel better for not having that girl on your arm but every city isn't L.A and every girl isn't a gold digging whore. |
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