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07-17-12, 2:03 PM

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Girls fighting over him, when he looks and acts like a loser while the other guy is always ignored. And if only he was trying to change but he isn't, he's always seen munching on something. It's a nice message to the watchers: keep on being fat, one day lots of girls will fall for you. Well, seeing how nowadays animes are all about moe, harem and ecchi , all that indirect porn to get you sexually aroused, together with a loser hero that gets an unreal strength, it could be that they want to lure the losers all over japan and get some nice sales. Especially when you look at all the fanservice that he gets, here he falls on a girl and touch her breasts, here a girl wants to bath with him, here he sees someone else's girlfriend naked and gets some action in the shower, it's so ridiculous that it's hilarious. If at least he had any good points, or even if it isn't much just have him not being a pervert, but he is, count how many times he's dreaming of a threesome and how many times he's picturing his best friend's gf naked, what a joke.
 
07-17-12, 8:20 PM

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Girls fighting over him, when he looks and acts like a loser while the other guy is always ignored. And if only he was trying to change but he isn't, he's always seen munching on something. It's a nice message to the watchers: keep on being fat, one day lots of girls will fall for you. Well, seeing how nowadays animes are all about moe, harem and ecchi , all that indirect porn to get you sexually aroused, together with a loser hero that gets an unreal strength, it could be that they want to lure the losers all over japan and get some nice sales. Especially when you look at all the fanservice that he gets, here he falls on a girl and touch her breasts, here a girl wants to bath with him, here he sees someone else's girlfriend naked and gets some action in the shower, it's so ridiculous that it's hilarious. If at least he had any good points, or even if it isn't much just have him not being a pervert, but he is, count how many times he's dreaming of a threesome and how many times he's picturing his best friend's gf naked, what a joke.

I think the worst part of it all is that he doesn't work for anything that he receives.
It's just given to him as if he deserves it because he's fat and a loser. I mean... what?
 
07-18-12, 10:34 AM

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I think the fact that the MC is fat is kind of refreshing. I mean it's a rare thing so anybody superficial enough to bitch about that can go watch just about every other anime ever made while I play the worlds smallest violin for them.

Anyways I just skimmed over this thread, it looks like they're more people who have problems with the actual character than anything else. Can't argue with that, the guy is a real prick and loser but honestly I kind of like that it's pretty funny to me. .

Shaduge who are you kidding thinking that Accel World was gonna be exactly how you want it to be?! It is how it is, if he pisses you off so much quit watching already. Believe it or not some of us truly enjoy anti-heroes. If you want a kind hearted bishonen look elsewhere.

The world is filled with fat spoiled assholes and shallow women, so why not have an anime about that? It's perfectly realistic in that regard. Or did you not get the memo?

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07-18-12, 10:52 AM

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I think the fact that the MC is fat is kind of refreshing. I mean it's a rare thing so anybody superficial enough to bitch about that can go watch just about every other anime ever made while I play the worlds smallest violin for them.

Anyways I just skimmed over this thread, it looks like they're more people who have problems with the actual character than anything else. Can't argue with that, the guy is a real prick and loser but honestly I kind of like that it's pretty funny to me. .

Shaduge who are you kidding thinking that Accel World was gonna be exactly how you want it to be?! It is how it is, if he pisses you off so much quit watching already. Believe it or not some of us truly enjoy anti-heroes. If you want a kind hearted bishonen look elsewhere.

The world is filled with fat spoiled assholes and shallow women, so why not have an anime about that? It's perfectly realistic in that regard. Or did you not get the memo?

LayedBack who are you kidding thinking that MyAnimeList threads was gonna be exactly how you want it to be?! It is how it is, if it pisses you off so much quit reading already. Believe it or not some of us truly enjoy complaining. If you want a circlejerk look elsewhere.

Point being, complaining about other people complaining is ironic.
 
07-18-12, 11:03 AM

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Okay then keep whining about 1 single anime having a fat kid in it as if it doesn't make you look completely ridiculous. Just who do you think you are kidding ataraxiel?? Huh buster? :)

Anyways I'm just playing devil's advocate here maybe I got a little carried away myself. I do think however this anime (excusing the fantasy bit) is actually pretty realistic of what the real world is often like. I know we often are watching anime to escape reality for a little while but how can it be a bad thing to have 1 or 2 titles that have a sort of ugly truth to them.

Also, calling someone out for being a little ridiculous is actually different from complaining. T_T
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07-18-12, 11:18 AM

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Okay then keep whining about 1 single anime having a fat kid in it as if it doesn't make you look completely ridiculous. Just who do you think you are kidding ataraxiel?? Huh buster? :)

Anyways I'm just playing devil's advocate here maybe I got a little carried away myself. I do think however this anime (excusing the fantasy bit) is actually pretty realistic of what the real world is often like. I know we often are watching anime to escape reality for a little while but how can it be a bad thing to have 1 or 2 titles that have a sort of ugly truth to them.

Also, calling someone out for being a little ridiculous is actually different from complaining. T_T

This "ugly truth" is unrealistic as fuck. First off the main character isn't plain fat, he is a big round ball in chibi form.

And obviously we will dislike something which has a sense of the real "ugly" world attached to it, we don't watch anime for that after all. I dropped this anime so I don't know, but girls IRL don't randomly go after some one with bad looks and bad personality, most of the time they go after some one who causes trouble and is just an idiot who gets in trouble with police and what not.

Plus not everybody likes having a fat pathetic kid as a protagonist, some people like their protagonist looking bad-ass and somewhat likeable.
 
07-18-12, 11:21 AM

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LayedBack said:
Okay then keep whining about 1 single anime having a fat kid in it as if it doesn't make you look completely ridiculous. Just who do you think you are kidding ataraxiel?? Huh buster? :)

Anyways I'm just playing devil's advocate here maybe I got a little carried away myself. I do think however this anime (excusing the fantasy bit) is actually pretty realistic of what the real world is often like. I know we often are watching anime to escape reality for a little while but how can it be a bad thing to have 1 or 2 titles that have a sort of ugly truth to them.

Also, calling someone out for being a little ridiculous is actually different from complaining. T_T

Don't mind if I do.
If this anime were realistic, the protagonist would have been stuck as a punching bag for the rest of his school career and as the adult equivalent of one for the rest of his life.
 
07-18-12, 1:17 PM

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Yeah I get that you'd prefer a more badass, not fat, and not a complete loser main character. Most of the time I'd prefer that too. My my main point is that we already have a ton of anime like that, but some times I want something different. I just don't understand why someone has to act like it's a bad thing every time a studio wants to try something kind of new with an anime.

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Don't mind if I do.
If this anime were realistic, the protagonist would have been stuck as a punching bag for the rest of his school career and as the adult equivalent of one for the rest of his life.


You've taken a somewhat narrow view of the world and applied it here as some sort of ridiculous universal rule. Sure, a person similar to Haruyuki isn't unlikely to get bullied, but do you seriously think every fat introvert with low self confidence goes through hell his entire life? They find friends, and girlfriends too. And if they can do it why shouldn't a fictional character in an anime not be able to? Some females really do prefer wimps by the way, they're a few reasons I could guess why that is.

Anyways my personal hope is that by the end Haruyuki will have undergone some major character development and turned in to a somewhat respectable person. I have no clue if this will actually happen or not but I for one would be interested to see that - some times it takes one good thing to happen to change a person for the better. Or maybe they're really just cashing in on all the lonely fat otakus, but I for one want to wait and find out.

Point is, there is the most potential when someone is trying something new that hasn't been done before. And Anti-heroes can turn out to be some of the most interesting of characters.
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07-18-12, 2:05 PM

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Yeah I get that you'd prefer a more badass, not fat, and not a complete loser main character. Most of the time I'd prefer that too. My my main point is that we already have a ton of anime like that, but some times I want something different. I just don't understand why someone has to act like it's a bad thing every time a studio wants to try something kind of new with an anime.

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Don't mind if I do.
If this anime were realistic, the protagonist would have been stuck as a punching bag for the rest of his school career and as the adult equivalent of one for the rest of his life.


You've taken a somewhat narrow view of the world and applied it here as some sort of ridiculous universal rule. Sure, a person similar to Haruyuki isn't unlikely to get bullied, but do you seriously think every fat introvert with low self confidence goes through hell his entire life? They find friends, and girlfriends too. And if they can do it why shouldn't a fictional character in an anime not be able to? Some females really do prefer wimps by the way, they're a few reasons I could guess why that is.

Anyways my personal hope is that by the end Haruyuki will have undergone some major character development and turned in to a somewhat respectable person. I have no clue if this will actually happen or not but I for one would be interested to see that - some times it takes one good thing to happen to change a person for the better. Or maybe they're really just cashing in on all the lonely fat otakus, but I for one want to wait and find out.

Point is, there is the most potential when someone is trying something new that hasn't been done before. And Anti-heroes can turn out to be some of the most interesting of characters.

Nobody's trying to say that anime studios shouldn't try something new. People are upset because they don't like it. In other words, the studio didn't do a good enough job of playing out the concept. Potential is great and all, but what really matters is the execution. If it doesn't deliver on its potential, then it has failed.

What do you mean by "isn't unlikely to get bullied"? Try "was bullied in episode 1." Starting from there, developing it realistically would not involve having everything handed to him for no reason. His situation isn't hopeless, but continuing to be a loser for the rest of his life is a much more likely and realistic scenario than what the anime presents if we're going for some sort of ugly truth.
 
07-18-12, 3:11 PM

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Nobody's trying to say that anime studios shouldn't try something new. People are upset because they don't like it. In other words, the studio didn't do a good enough job of playing out the concept. Potential is great and all, but what really matters is the execution. If it doesn't deliver on its potential, then it has failed.


Fair enough, that is more likely to happen when trying something new and all. I guess where we differ is I'm very interested in just about anything done in a different and new way. Whether it lives up to its potential is important but I do have more leniency for an anime that attempts something new and in the process perhaps raises the bar and opens possibilities for the next wave.

Plus I happen to have an anti-hero fetish. I'd prefer someone like Kanta from Desert Punk, but Haruyuki will do. Their is too much of the anime left to know for sure if they plan on using Haruyuki to their advantage to deliver a good ending. It can go either way and even I might end up rating Accel World low depending on what happens.

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What do you mean by "isn't unlikely to get bullied"? Try "was bullied in episode 1." Starting from there, developing it realistically would not involve having everything handed to him for no reason. His situation isn't hopeless, but continuing to be a loser for the rest of his life is a much more likely and realistic scenario than what the anime presents if we're going for some sort of ugly truth.


Exposing an ugly truth doesn't mean they have to blindly stick with this pattern the entire time. I see nothing particularly wrong with this series going in a different direction than what may seem likely to you or I. This is just one scenario out of many. If something is possible in the real world, then it can be considered realistic in anime as well. (a funny thing about trying to be realistic is that it doesn't always have to apply to every aspect of the story in order for it to work)

The very character you hate so much for being an anti-hero could end up taking what's been handed to him and using it in a respectable way or at the very least entertainingly. In fact, getting you to dislike him early in the series might have been the whole point!
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07-18-12, 9:03 PM

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The only people actually complaining about the looks of a character actually means Sunrise did well portraying that character.

Haru is supposed to be irritating. That was the whole point.
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07-19-12, 4:59 AM

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:D Man, this thread just keeps on going. Just to remind some people, everything in this anime is based on the light novel, including Haru. So it's not like the animators/anime producers/the studio are making it up. They simply followed the source material.

And speaking of Haru, he managed to get into the top 10 male character popularity ranking in the recent Newtype magazine. ^_^
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07-19-12, 5:07 AM

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How does he lack personality o.o...?

I'd like a bit of that thing you guys are smoking.

And since when a "loser" can't change in reality? I know of people that have 2x of most of your guys IQ and could kick your asses nonetheless, yet they were victims when they were kids/teenagers.

Hell, my best friend is exactly my example.
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07-19-12, 6:49 AM

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Fair enough, that is more likely to happen when trying something new and all. I guess where we differ is I'm very interested in just about anything done in a different and new way. Whether it lives up to its potential is important but I do have more leniency for an anime that attempts something new and in the process perhaps raises the bar and opens possibilities for the next wave.

Plus I happen to have an anti-hero fetish. I'd prefer someone like Kanta from Desert Punk, but Haruyuki will do. Their is too much of the anime left to know for sure if they plan on using Haruyuki to their advantage to deliver a good ending. It can go either way and even I might end up rating Accel World low depending on what happens.

I actually like most anti-heroes.
For an example of an anti-hero protagonist done well, see Emiya Kiritsugu.

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Exposing an ugly truth doesn't mean they have to blindly stick with this pattern the entire time. I see nothing particularly wrong with this series going in a different direction than what may seem likely to you or I. This is just one scenario out of many. If something is possible in the real world, then it can be considered realistic in anime as well. (a funny thing about trying to be realistic is that it doesn't always have to apply to every aspect of the story in order for it to work)

I was pointing out that the anime isn't really realistic at all. If we're going to go with your definition of "anything goes, however unlikely" for realistic, then there's no point to even use the word to describe anything.

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The very character you hate so much for being an anti-hero could end up taking what's been handed to him and using it in a respectable way or at the very least entertainingly. In fact, getting you to dislike him early in the series might have been the whole point!

I certainly hope that's what happens. But the problem with this sort of 180-degree turn character development is that first impressions are very powerful. Also, if a character is annoying for 90% of the series, that's still 90% of the series of annoyance. Not to mention we're talking about hypotheticals here. It is just as likely that nothing of the sort happens by the end at all.

Also, nobody is hating on anti-heroes in general. I don't like the protagonist because I specifically don't like his personality, appearance, and unrealistic circumstances. Anti-heroes can be great characters. Haru is not.
 
07-19-12, 6:54 AM

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I don't like how you guys can't speak properly.

How does he lack personality?
What don't you like from his personality?
How is this show unrealistic?
Why does he annoy you?

You didn't answer any of these questions, just saying you don't like him does not respond to the thread question or any questions at all.

Thus, your comments are quite useless.

But wait a freakin' second, you guys just used "anti-hero" wrong, an anti-hero is an "imperfect" hero but has nothing to do with him being weak, but him being somewhat "evil". Think of Punisher...
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07-19-12, 6:57 AM

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And speaking of Haru, he managed to get into the top 10 male character popularity ranking in the recent Newtype magazine. ^_^

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Or maybe they're really just cashing in on all the lonely fat otakus.
 
07-19-12, 6:59 AM

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Whole discussion O_O.
They made the MC fat and they wont change it ;)
I don't like the look of the MC either but we just have to accept the maker's choice or stop watching it.
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07-19-12, 7:02 AM

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Whole discussion O_O.
They made the MC fat and they wont change it ;)
I don't like the look of the MC either but we just have to accept the maker's choice or stop watching it.

Yeah, I think I'm going to go with option 3: complain on MAL threads, then probably drop it later.

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I don't like how you guys can't speak properly.

How does he lack personality?
What don't you like from his personality?
How is this show unrealistic?
How is Haru not a good anti-hero?
Why does he annoy you?

You didn't answer any of these questions, just saying you don't like him does not respond to the thread question or any questions at all.

Thus, your comments are quite useless.

I don't like how you haven't bothered to read anything in this thread.
 
07-19-12, 7:04 AM

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Whole discussion O_O.
They made the MC fat and they wont change it ;)
I don't like the look of the MC either but we just have to accept the maker's choice or stop watching it.

And then be objective in reviews about it.

*awaits the mountain of hate from 99% of "reviewers" on MAL*
 
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Immahnoob said:
I don't like how you guys can't speak properly.

How does he lack personality?
What don't you like from his personality?
How is this show unrealistic?
How is Haru not a good anti-hero?
Why does he annoy you?

You didn't answer any of these questions, just saying you don't like him does not respond to the thread question or any questions at all.

Thus, your comments are quite useless.

I don't like how you haven't bothered to read anything in this thread.

I don't like how none of your comments did respond to any of those questions.

EDIT: The point is I want to know how you see his personality before saying anything, you still don't want to do so, thus your points are invalid.
 
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