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Rurouni Kenshin: Shin Kyoto Hen Episode 1 Discussion

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03-21-12, 4:50 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Well, everything was rushed and the designs were just bad... Still can't get used to those vivid colors. There were some changes, some fanservice and Kenshin was quite different. But there were some extra scenes, too.

Oh, Hiko with an axe was probably the best scene in the whole episode.
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03-21-12, 5:00 PM

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Skipped trough the raw and i must say it's better than what i expected but the 90's series was much better.
One thing that itched me was the battle against Chou Sawagejou, i remember the way Kenshin beat him was so badass, but here the battle lasted like 2 seconds and didn't have the impact of series...
 
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03-22-12, 3:47 PM

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I really liked the background art and scenery. As for character art, it seemed like they were going for a more modern approach, and I felt like it didn't work at times - especially with regard to Kenshin. The impression and mood that his old design held was not well expressed by his new one. At times, he looked awkward and unpolished. In my opinion, Shioshio and Yahiko were best represented with this new art direction.

I liked that they kept in some of the original music, but the music that played during Chou's fight was a little unfitting. The story, as botch touched upon, definitely seemed rushed. I hope that the next OVA will make up for that with the fight between Kenshin and Shioshio.

Overall, I felt that this OVA didn't really contribute anything to the series as a whole.
 
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03-22-12, 3:51 PM

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I've never done this before but I am downloading the raw now. Judging from the reactions here, it looks like this thing is as pointless as I expected.
 
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03-27-12, 8:59 PM

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Has anyone subbed this yet?
 
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03-30-12, 5:17 PM

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Taka and thora are working together to sub this and it just came out.
 
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03-30-12, 5:31 PM

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Murakazu said:
Taka and thora are working together to sub this and it just came out.


ye!!! thanks for the heads up!!!
 
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03-30-12, 8:13 PM

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Wow, only good thing about this OVA is Hiko. A shame really.
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03-30-12, 8:58 PM

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It was ok, I suppose.
 
03-30-12, 9:52 PM

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About the only good was the art. Didn't mind the changes in the story, but it was all rushed. Completely lacked any sense of drama during the fights, that were over in 3sec.
 
03-30-12, 10:21 PM

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OMG! Rurouni Kenshin is Back! I am so happy! ja nakute. a complete waste of my time and the crappiest adaptation ever.

Edit: I forgot to add. I puked.
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03-30-12, 10:56 PM

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This OVA pissed me off so much, almost as much as Seisouhen. Everything left me bitter, from the pacing, to the way they throw us into the middle of the story (it felt like this was episode 2 than a first one), to the bland personalities (am I really watching Rurouni Kenshin??), to the sloppy animation, the crappy fights oh god the fights (isn't this an OVA with a higher budget than a TV show?), the music... Everything just... I rather not go further.

The reason the art doesn't look good is not because of the character designs, which are ok (not great though), but because the animation itself is not consistent in the proportions, so they look slightly different every time. The most glaring example is Kaoru, which looks totally different in one moment and goes back to looking similar to her original design. It's obvious Studio Deen wasn't that interested in this project, which is a shame.
 
03-31-12, 7:00 AM

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Wow, seriously??
I don't know where to start.
The fighting scene, S*CK. There, I said it. I was hoping that the fighting scene would be as awesome as in the original anime or even the manga (Broom head using that weird blade when fighting kenshin).
Kenshin is just plain evil doing that to broom head.
Sonusuke still didn't learn Futae no Kiwami is just plain wrong.
Did the Cyclops died when he fighting Shishio? So, who is going to battle Hajime?

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Oh, Hiko with an axe was probably the best scene in the whole episode.

Same here.
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03-31-12, 10:09 AM

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DEEN again fu*ked one of the classic anime
 
03-31-12, 12:22 PM

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I think this stems from the fact the creator of Rurouni Kenshin did some drawings showing his characters in his style now that he's grown as an artist. Someone then got it into their head to do an OVA showing what RK would have been like with said style. Unfortunaly, this is as bad as a recap episode. It adds nothing.
 
03-31-12, 12:38 PM

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soru-soru said:

The fighting scene, S*CK."
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why censor suck? lest im missing something.
 
03-31-12, 2:06 PM

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Hiko Seijuro blazing through those logs was the best. But yeah, when you condense all this stuff it doesn't leave a big impact anymore.

Still it was ok, 6/10 personally

The second part will probably be more interesting, and different, since now Saitou doesn't have anyone to fight. I don't think Sanosuke will be fighting Anji either.
 
03-31-12, 7:43 PM

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Lol hopeful expectations
 
04-01-12, 3:48 AM

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I thought this OVA was fine. I don't see why people have so many problems with it. This is coming from a huge Kenshin fan. It's not a masterpiece, far from, but I thought the character designs were fine, the animation was well-done, and despite the creative liberties taken with the story for this part of the arc, I thought it was okay and the pacing, though a little fast, not horribly so. Remember, it's made for the fans, not new people who have no idea what Rurouni Kenshin is. As a Kenshin fan, I was able to enjoy it. I'm sure the next part will be more action-packed, but action for me is pretty unimportant, what matters most to me is just plain-old enjoyment, and I got enough from it to say it's "good".
 
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This is coming from a huge Kenshin fan.


If you are really a huge Kenshin fan then you should know that Kenshin would never have done that to anyone even he dislike him so much. Yes, I was talking about him doing that to broom head.
Also, Sanosuke is too 'damn' stupid to learn Futae no Kiwami on his own. I will be furious if that ever happen.*sorry Sanosuke fans*

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soru-soru said:

The fighting scene, S*CK."
deathxempress said:

why censor suck? lest im missing something.


SUCK and SICK at the same time. You decide.
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04-01-12, 9:18 AM

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soru-soru said:
brass2themax said:
This is coming from a huge Kenshin fan.

If you are really a huge Kenshin fan then you should know that Kenshin would never have done that to anyone even he dislike him so much. Yes, I was talking about him doing that to broom head.


Wouldn't he? What about when he used the "Do-Ryuu-Sen" on the older Hiruma brother (RK Chapter 7), and held back so he wouldn't faint and actually experience the pain? In fact, I don't see how striking an eye is any worse than breaking several limbs with his Sakabatou... In the original anime/manga, when fighting Cho he was also fighting his Hitokiri side. Those few moments were, in my opinion, one of the few good parts of the OVA. He suddenly became very scary, and that's how the Battousai should look like.

However the fight was still ruined because they played it too fast, and all the tension went away as quickly as it appeared (why did he have to take a look at the sword before using it?). I was quite disappointed, it was one of my favorite fights from the anime...

By the way, first post here, just registered because I've been a fan of RK for a few years and really needed to discuss it :P
 
04-01-12, 1:30 PM

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I thought this OVA was fine. I don't see why people have so many problems with it. This is coming from a huge Kenshin fan. It's not a masterpiece, far from, but I thought the character designs were fine, the animation was well-done, and despite the creative liberties taken with the story for this part of the arc, I thought it was okay and the pacing, though a little fast, not horribly so. Remember, it's made for the fans, not new people who have no idea what Rurouni Kenshin is. As a Kenshin fan, I was able to enjoy it. I'm sure the next part will be more action-packed, but action for me is pretty unimportant, what matters most to me is just plain-old enjoyment, and I got enough from it to say it's "good".


So, do you have any idea what "Rurouni Kenshin" is? We're so ignorant and stupid, so please teach us, The smart one?
 
04-01-12, 4:40 PM

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I have mixed feelings about this new OVA series. I found interesting (even liked) the liberties they took, but I really wished they had managed the pace better, and the fight scenes were quite uninspiring... :-/
 
04-01-12, 10:11 PM

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Guys they couldn't do the full out scenes but they had enough time to put in a sex scene and a frickin pigeon scene- WTFFFFF
Am I the only one who doesn't like this new animation- they look like dinosaurs!! UGHHH I ALL WANT IS JINCHUU
 
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AngelWalker said:
soru-soru said:
brass2themax said:
This is coming from a huge Kenshin fan.

If you are really a huge Kenshin fan then you should know that Kenshin would never have done that to anyone even he dislike him so much. Yes, I was talking about him doing that to broom head.


Wouldn't he? What about when he used the "Do-Ryuu-Sen" on the older Hiruma brother (RK Chapter 7), and held back so he wouldn't faint and actually experience the pain? In fact, I don't see how striking an eye is any worse than breaking several limbs with his Sakabatou... In the original anime/manga, when fighting Cho he was also fighting his Hitokiri side. Those few moments were, in my opinion, one of the few good parts of the OVA. He suddenly became very scary, and that's how the Battousai should look like.


OH boy.
I for one respect Kenshin belief that he did not use too much violence when confronting his opponent. That is why, he is one of my fav character in RK.
The thing you spoken of "when he used the "Do-Ryuu-Sen" on the older Hiruma brother (RK Chapter 7)" and "breaking several limbs with his Sakabatou" is only the outer/inner pain and can heal within a time of period.
But a strike to an eye, c'mon. He is not as evil as Shishio ever was. I feel that the director (or something) was trying to make him the bad character in this story.
I feel sorry for broom head now that he is blind one eye.

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Guys they couldn't do the full out scenes but they had enough time to put in a sex scene and a frickin pigeon scene- WTFFFFF

I was surprise to see the sex scene being put in the OVA.
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04-01-12, 11:18 PM

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I love kenshin but I got really mixed feelings about this. When I heard a new Kenshin oav would come out I was so happy, however i didn't like the fact that the point of view was from Misao, because when kenshin fought shishio, she wasn't even there. When I was watching the oav,at times it felt like I'm watching a reverse harem show. I laughed hard at the sex scene. I mean, now I can't take shishio even seriously. I liked the fact that they wanted to do it different then the original story, however it should be able to stand alone for what it is, which in this case doesen't. I can't say it's bad since the first episode was more a recap and a weak buildup ( I guess). I hope the second part would be way better and will have great fight scenes
 
04-02-12, 11:42 AM

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Lolwtf was with that sex scene? Is it just me, or does anyone else wonder how Shishio is even able to still have sex? I figured if his body was lit on fire that that part of him wouldn't even function anymore. XD Apparently he's pretty good in the bedroom regardless lolol.
 
04-02-12, 9:28 PM

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Great adaptation. It had a more realistic feeling than the original and I personally loved the art. The animation was incredible as well. For people who are deciding whether or not to watch it, you should. It's not a masterpiece (because all alternative adaptations aren't allowed to become masterpieces), but it's still a great watch and extremely nostalgic. Don't let the butthurt hipsters that gave the reviews and most of the comments here here prevent you from watching it. It's impossible to like another adaptation more than an original adaptation that you've watched a long time ago.
 
04-04-12, 1:47 PM

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It was too rushed but the animation left me impressed... so much visual enjoyment.
 
04-05-12, 9:47 PM

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So many things are wrong with this.

First Kenshin saving Misao from the cliff was worse than in the original anime. He "catches" an edge of a cliff, where in the original series he lands on a small cliff and leaps up with both of their weight on him. Shishio sex scene... WTF??? I don't even know where that came from or who thought it up.

I feel the fight with Chou was badly done. Kenshin was supposed to strike him down, only to realize after the fact he didn't kill him because the sword was a Sakabato. It greatly killed the emotion and drama in the fight.

Shishio fighting and then KILLING Usui, that did not happen, now who fights Saito in the gauntlet?

All in all, I give it between a 6-7/10, hopefully the second part can redeem this first half, but I'm not holding my breathe.
 
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I hated it. I knew I would since I had gotten my hopes up that they were finally animating the Jinchuu Arc. Anyway, onto Kyoto Arc Redux, as I call it.

Was it really necessary for them to change the events around the way they did? No Kenshin/Saitou fight, no Saitou/Usui fight? What were they thinking?

To me the worst of it was what Kenshin did to Chou during his fight with him. It was too reminiscent of what Battousai did to Ishiji during Tsuiokuhen. Kenshin as a Rurouni would never do that to someone.
 
04-06-12, 10:10 PM

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And the sad thing is that we have to wait until August 22, 2012 (according to wikipedia) to watch the 2nd part.
I just hope during this few month time, they will improve on the OVA to make up for the loses that they have made in this 1st part.

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To me the worst of it was what Kenshin did to Chou during his fight with him. It was too reminiscent of what Battousai did to Ishiji during Tsuiokuhen. Kenshin as a Rurouni would never do that to someone.
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04-06-12, 11:11 PM

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I expected it to be better. but it is disappointing. This show is Terrible. Pacing was bad, Music was bland, no emotional parts to the story, Short non epic fight scenes. Loved the original four part OVA. I was hoping it would be on par with that. I don't want to nitpick and I didn't mind the new iteration. But It felt like there were only a few scenes with Kenshin himself in it. If they were restricted by time, then there was too many scenes with irrelevant character that didn't add to the story. And Saitoh didn't feel cunning. Just bad. I still rated a 7 ;/.
 
04-07-12, 11:46 AM

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Guys they couldn't do the full out scenes but they had enough time to put in a sex scene and a frickin pigeon scene- WTFFFFF
Am I the only one who doesn't like this new animation- they look like dinosaurs!! UGHHH I ALL WANT IS JINCHUU


this was the main problem i had with it.
adding in random unnecessary scenes and cutting out important ones.
instead of showing all those boring kenshin and misao conversations they could have shown the kenshin and saito fight or more sanosuke or something.
and that sex scene.....not really sure what that was all about.

some of the changes they made to the story were decent but shishio killing usui was just dumb and not anywhere near as epic as it was when saito did it

finally someone else agrees about that atrocious animation!
i actually think the animation from 1996 looks better than this.
its like they werent even trying.
the fight scenes were horrible. i wouldnt even call them fight scenes since they lasted for only 5 seconds
i thought the main reason why they wanted to redo the kyoto arc was to update everything animation-wise. other than that whats the point of remaking it?
at least make it visually appealing but no! they couldnt even do that!

overall i dont think it was a complete disaster
im just really dissapointed
 
04-07-12, 9:29 PM

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The worst part is that I don't think this will get enough support to get Jinchuu animated
 
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unicorn1293 said:
Guys they couldn't do the full out scenes but they had enough time to put in a sex scene and a frickin pigeon scene- WTFFFFF
Am I the only one who doesn't like this new animation- they look like dinosaurs!! UGHHH I ALL WANT IS JINCHUU


this was the main problem i had with it.
adding in random unnecessary scenes and cutting out important ones.
instead of showing all those boring kenshin and misao conversations they could have shown the kenshin and saito fight or more sanosuke or something.
and that sex scene.....not really sure what that was all about.

some of the changes they made to the story were decent but shishio killing usui was just dumb and not anywhere near as epic as it was when saito did it

finally someone else agrees about that atrocious animation!
i actually think the animation from 1996 looks better than this.
its like they werent even trying.
the fight scenes were horrible. i wouldnt even call them fight scenes since they lasted for only 5 seconds
i thought the main reason why they wanted to redo the kyoto arc was to update everything animation-wise. other than that whats the point of remaking it?
at least make it visually appealing but no! they couldnt even do that!

overall i dont think it was a complete disaster
im just really dissapointed

They did the oav because of kenshin 15th anniversary. Am I the only one who knows this? Yeah but I agree that's not an exuse to make it bad.
 
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WUT? WTF is this SHIT. What a nonsense. What a waste of time. Worst shit I've ever seen in a while. Im going to watch Rurouni Kenshin Tsuiokuhen now, I need to clear my mind.
 
04-14-12, 12:42 PM

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It was okay. Really it needed to focus on a much smaller piece of story to balance the humor and seriousness. Maybe a post-Jinchuu story about Yahiko or Sano's family would've worked.

I like the new animation and I even liked the new fights (but they were too short to be meaningful). I like that there's no focus on moves or names at all.

Shishio sex scene was a surprise, but if anyone got a sex scene it'd be Shishio.
 
04-28-12, 6:04 PM

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Disliked it.
The battle against Cho was ruined, especially with Cho not having his special sword and Kenshin not striking him before finding out the sword was a reverse blade.
The sex scene was...weird and unnecessary.
And yeah, who's going to fight Saito now that Usui was killed? Are they going to take one of the guys who attack the town and place them against Saito? Cause none of them are really fit to go against Saito...there's the bat guy ninja, the cross-dresser with a scythe, and the giant that I remember...the only one I can even remotely picture Saito going against is the cross-dresser, and even then Saito would wipe the floor with him.
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06-13-12, 11:52 AM

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I liked it.

It really was just a 'highlights' type thing for fans to reignite nostalgia. I remembered all the stuff I liked about the show, so the OVA did its job. And the updated character designs were gorgeous, as well as the animation - the only reason the original Kenshin wasn't as brightly colored was the restrictions of the era. The scene with Kaoru was fantastic, too bad they couldn't have had them kiss *sigh* The music was great to listen to.

Besides, Sad!Kenshin was always my favorite Kenshin.

It wasn't perfect, but I'd still rate it a solid 8/10.
 
08-02-12, 4:34 PM

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Disappointing, I don't even want to watch the second episode. I liked Hiko though.

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fearlubu said:
soru-soru said:

The fighting scene, S*CK."

why censor suck? lest im missing something


SUCK and SICK at the same time. You decide.

maybe you meant SOCK? or SACK?
 
12-21-12, 2:29 PM

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I had high expectations for this. A recap of those ~62 episodes or so, which are freaking Great, with better art,sound, with good battles and stuff.
Well, good way to ruin my expectations. If i didn't know the anime, i wouldn't understand anything about this OVA; action takes place way too fast and we don't get to see any good battle; they even cut the Saito vs Kenshin and the Oniwaban arc, sigh.
 
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The TV series are alot better than this, for the plain reason that you can understand everything. I will suggest watching this after episode 62 of the TV series.
One thing tough as animated compared to the TV series I can say this was alot nicer.
 
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Lolwtf was with that sex scene? Is it just me, or does anyone else wonder how Shishio is even able to still have sex? I figured if his body was lit on fire that that part of him wouldn't even function anymore. XD Apparently he's pretty good in the bedroom regardless lolol.


for me too ! that scene freaked me out and i had the same thoughts XDD
 
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Just finished the Kyoto arc of the main series and thought I'd watch this now before watching the filler...

DISAPPOINTING.

I expected a lot more from an OVA retelling that was intended to be so much more "dramatic." First of all, I watched this dubbed. That's how I watched the main series, that's how I intend to watch this. The change in voice casting for EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER makes the experience so hard to settle into. Kaoru's new cast was all right - I almost like her better than her VA in RK. Kenshin's himself was the same as in Trust & Betrayal, which gives a sense of familiarity and Shanon kinda fits his voice anyway, so that was all right too. Misao's was also okay. But the rest, ESPECIALLY Saitou's and Sano's, pretty much ruin it. I love David Matranga as a voice actor, but hearing him as Chou ruined Chou's entire personality.

Mainly, it's just the entire lack of familiarity in the voice cast that makes it so hard to settle into rather than the actual performances.

I could forgive it if the voice acting was the only problem when that's not really something I have a huge right to complain about - but it's not the only problem. The pacing is ridiculous and unbelievably hard to keep up with. If I hadn't already watched RK, I would've been completely unable to follow what's going on at all. I will confess that some of the new scenes put an interesting spin on it though. In particular, Kenshin telling Misao himself what happened to the Oniwaban was dramatic and how I would've preferred it in RK as well.

The art is also gorgeous in a way I never expected. I ended up having to save a couple screenshots for wallpaper purposes. That is one area where they really outdid themselves. Of course, it's to be expected considering it's so much more modern, but definitely welcome nonetheless.

This isn't entirely without merit indeed and has some good going for it. Really, it's not bad or boring, just disappointing. Looking like a 4/10 unless episode 2 somehow improves on it. I just wish they'd re-dub this with the original voice cast (and the other Rurouni Kenshin specials with it). I might've been able to enjoy it a little more at least. =/ Watching it subbed wouldn't help when I don't have familiarity with the Japanese voice cast.
 
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Very different feel from the original. Not really a fan.
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