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03-17-12, 11:15 AM

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Epic ending is epic; Araragi was boss this episode, i liked how he handled the situation from beginning to end, his talk about evil was bad ass at the end also; bringing up the interesting philosophy of fundamental evil; i guess in the end becoming evil to destroy the greater evil. Senjougaharas hair T_T; only bad part of the episode even if we could see it coming a mile away... well it seems like there wnt be much Senjougahara for a while, since she wnt be in Kizumonogatari, and if i'm right the next project after is Nekomonogatari (Hanekawa's story) so she wnt be in that either; if i remember she isn't in many of the novels, since each novel focuses on the most part on the other characters.

Shinobu was awesome, this episode was a good set up for the movie; even better to think that she wasn't even close to full strength, seeing vampire fights animated is going to be bad ass.

To be continued well... there are more confirmed projects ,one being the prequel Kizumonogatari set to come out this year, so its expected. Can't wait!
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03-17-12, 11:17 AM

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That ending....;A;

Debating over giving this a 9 or 10, I'll stick to 9 right now.
 
03-17-12, 11:22 AM

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ClementIV said:
Is it just me or is someone else feeling unsatisfied with the "ending"?

I have a feeling that they are going to take a page Bakemonogatari and release a real ending a year from now.

Still I enjoyed Koyomi's "fight" with Yozuru, even though Koyomi ended up being the punching bag.

I would have given this an 8 but since there were some memorable episodes I give it a 9/10. lol


It's not over. We still have kizumonogatari.
 
03-17-12, 11:25 AM

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Was a good episode, I'm platinum sad it was the last. :(
 
03-17-12, 11:26 AM

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Win. Monogatari series are always a win for me, 10/10 without a doubt, yes it might have some flaws along the way, dragging the karen part a little bit too long and the tsukihi part a little bit too short. But hey, we have a hot shinobu who talkes in this series instead of the quiet shinobu in bakemonogatari. Although i would be more happy if they showed a little bit more of gahara, as well as keeping hanekawa, karen and gahara's hair at their original length.

BUT STILL. GOOD EPISODE AND GOOD SERIES. And as usual good OPs and nice ED. Now i seriously cant wait for the new prequel/sequel to come out. I'll just have to try my best to prevent myself from reading the novel to spoil everything before that.

* Oh yeah, and the background music they played for a few times in this episode, the platinium disco, surprisingly fits into the scenes to damn well. Good job shaft. You the winner.
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03-17-12, 11:41 AM

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Liked it a lot, now waiting for next Gatari adaption.

But Gahara-san nooo. ;A;
 
03-17-12, 11:44 AM

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I really enjoyed that ending. Fantastic show.
Araragi's fight was an exciting watch, though i wish they showed Shinobu's. I'm not sure how i feel about adult Shinobu. I kind of wish she remained as a child, but i don't dislike her as an adult. The doughnut jacket made me laugh.
Philosophy is always a great plus. Also incest. And the opening scene explaining the phoenix was neat.
A bit disappointed they didn't show Senjougahara and when she cut her hair, but the scene on the beach at the very end was nice. I like her with short hair.

Now to wait for Kizu, which will take too long. :(
And other adaptations if they start making them.
 
03-17-12, 11:45 AM

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i love this series, definitely waiting for more.

did anyone else thought of why was he looking for scars that supposedly have been there in the last episode? kind of didnt go with the story if tsukihi was born a phoenix who regenerates. gotta watch that episode again
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03-17-12, 11:56 AM

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I was expecting more action, too much talking and really stupid jokes. At least I enjoyed the last 2 episodes. 4/10
 
03-17-12, 11:58 AM

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"Isn't it hot, having a sister who's not your real sister?!?"

I'm surprised how fast everything was wrapped up.

Senjougahara with short hair is fabulous. Then again I've always been a fan of characters with short hair.
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03-17-12, 12:13 PM

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I thought the graphics and music in the opening segment were incredible! :D

So will there actually be a direct sequel to this series?

Grown-up Shinobu was smokin hooot! Really looking forward to Kizumonogatari now! :)
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03-17-12, 12:15 PM

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Loved the show; but not enough gahara and her short made me give it a 9/10; still loved the beach scene at the end
 
03-17-12, 12:19 PM

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I like the relationship between the Araragi siblings.. how Karen could answer instantly when Koyomi asked her if she could die for them.. and of course we all know Koyomi would do that as well. It's a heartwarming feeling.. :))

Anyway, this episode just made me want more ><.. Shinobu in that form was awesome :D.. The way she laughed and Yotsugi couldn't even scratch her.. She's dominating! and of course now, I'm waiting for the Kizumonogatari movie although I think it would take a year or more for it to be subbed T__T..

Koyomi on the other hand.. was beaten to death, in the two fights of this series, I only saw Koyomi getting beat up.. will he ever be on the other side of the table next time?.. xD

Series was good.. if any other gatari series gets animated.. I'm still gonna watch. 9/10 for Nisemonogatari.
 
03-17-12, 12:20 PM

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It was quite a good show, but I still feel like it's "lacking" compared to Bakemonogatari.

Overall it isn't nearly as impressive as its prequel and it definitely suffers from Shaft's typical "sequel not being as good as the prequel" ordeal.
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03-17-12, 12:24 PM

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Koyomi got FUCKED UP.

Episode score = 2/5

Series score = 5/10

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Gahara with short hair is horrible.


It was just plain ugly.
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03-17-12, 12:24 PM

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I think that the series deserve an 8 or 9 since I loved the Bake (which I gave a 10 because I enjoyed it a lot), but I think they ended it in a nicer way than the Tsubasa Cat arc in Bake. So I gave this series a 10 for ending it more properly.

Now on the episode, can't believe Kaiki, Kagenui, and Oshino are friends!

Kagenui - the good side
Oshino - the neutral side
Kaiki - the evil side

What a nice triangle! Hoo!

Shinobu is so hot! I wish they have shown their fight even a little though.
And Araragi is so useless in fighting.

And love Senjougahara at the end.

Can anybody tell me why does it say to be continued at the end? Will it have a continuation? If it do, I cannot wait for it to go out! LOVE NISEMONOGATARI!
 
03-17-12, 12:26 PM

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Great episode,fundamental evil.

Awesome way to end the series,Araragi really was badass this episode.

At first we got a little fanservice with him kissing Tsukihi even that wasnt really a kiss like he say...is just family.

Watching Shinobu in adult form was great also good promotion for Kizumonogatari later this year...cant wait for the movie!!

Now the fight of Araragi was great to watch as always the animation was great and the fight itself was amazing but the talking was superb not only presenting 2 theories of human nature but also showing what is family....we lie,fight,some times even hate each other but at the end will always try what we can for them its just a stupid love that we want our family to be happy....that is family....
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03-17-12, 12:31 PM

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gahara short hair....
i'm in rage mode...why!!!!!!
lucky that kanbaru grows her hair huhu
 
03-17-12, 12:33 PM

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Older Shinobu and short-haired Senjougahara? Fuck yes. I haven't read any of the other monogatari series so I personally don't know what to expect of the "to be continued" screen at the end. Nonetheless, anticipating the next installment and of course Kizumono.

edit: Just found out that one of the next animations will have a new original script by NisiOisin.
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03-17-12, 12:34 PM

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I liked it.

It went from beating Araragi to a pulp, to a discussion about the value of something real vs. a fake.
I can see why some of people found it anti-climatic.
Yeah they probably could have shown more fighting.


Personally I enjoy the dialogue.
All throughout the series, it was never dull or boring to me.
9/10 for me.


Those haircuts aren't really working. Especially Karen.
4/10 for their hair.


Lots of comments about lack of Senjougahara.
I know she is a favorite but damn.
Not even Tsukihi got decent screentime in her own arc and you want other people to show up.
 
03-17-12, 12:43 PM

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I fucking loved it.
 
03-17-12, 12:54 PM

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It's over sad to see it come to an end. Way to short
Oh well still got the movie coming out
4/5 for this episode 9/10 for the series would given it 8 if it wasn't for Shinobu adult figure in the last episode kinda what we could expect to come in the upcoming movie
 
03-17-12, 12:54 PM

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The episode itself was not bad but short on some aspects or it seemed like it was a little slow. That paid off with major explanation and the fight. I have to admit I would like to say a big FUCK YOU to Araragi for the following,

and in the spoiler
You kiss you own sister like that as means to find out if your dick is hard and your feel sexual towards as an end to confirm if she is some immortal monster or there is still some of her soul and be gone of its stress? Really? Well I HATE you and your stupid sexual shit. Araragi has got good points, I won’t deny that but his sexuality is so fucked up that it’s beyond reasoning. I don’t blame him nor society of it. Just Shinobu making him like that and such a bitch she is to me due to that but she herself due to her vampire race was not able to resist her urges as well.

Real Reason I hate Shinobu


This is to clear up the misunderstanding. The real reason I hate her is in the spoiler
apart from the loli fan service. That fucking bite! Always that bite! Always that shit. No matter what vampire movie or series it’s always a RAGING THRILL towards that. I guess it’s more fun than frustrating in blowing off some steam so they say. Seriously this is the main reason of why I hate Shinobu, all vampires and in general fan service associated with them. You must be fucking crazy to enjoy any of that biting and sensation but I do respect choices and people’s fetishes of this. Hence you got guts to love this shit. I cringe hard at it! Nice end to a nice series. Will edit later

BTW GIFs are done in the club:
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among them the kiss part is done for its fans.

Image Stitches done in the spoiler
one for Shinobu fans and one of Hitagi that is now perfect!
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03-17-12, 12:59 PM

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Dammn that was awesome !!!...but i dont like the ending too much :(
 
03-17-12, 1:15 PM

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Somewhat disappointing. I dont know if I give 6/10 or 7/10.

I enjoyed more bakemono.
 
03-17-12, 1:18 PM

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I can't complain, I saw this coming- SHAFT always has poor budgeting. Still a great series overall, and the ending was better than expected frankly.

Looking forward to more shinobu than Senjougahara in this year's Kizumonogatari.

You guys can't honestly claim you were 'trolled' out of a good ending? It's SHAFT, come on. They're charmingly annoying like that.


 
03-17-12, 1:20 PM

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Yumekichi can think whatever he wants, but Shaft is basically the best animation studio out there. This episode was exeptionally amazing music-wise, but the art and the dialogue was sharp as ever too.

I haven't found any other studio that animates as intellectual and non-cliché stuff as shaft. (Well, White fox gets quite close with Steins; Gate and Katanagatari, but they're still just a starting studio.) Getting trolled can be quite fun. :D

Edit: Besides, Nisemonogatari felt overall much more light-hearted compared to Bake so the ending matched quite well IMO.
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03-17-12, 1:32 PM

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Nice episode, but damn, the guy got one helluva beating (again).

So more webisodes xD? I'm OK with that.
 
03-17-12, 1:39 PM

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lol i knew they where going to pull this shit again... really hoping to see more of this story later

Story was ok, lots of service and nonesense. tbh only 2 eventful episodes. 8/10

I'm at a lost on why Hitagi cut her hair (on anime tend to be because of some issue with romance but shit seemed to be going fine with her... maybe that what she ask of him and to have sex at the end of the 1st arc of this show)... Shinobo look adorable as a grown up. Really hoping to watch more of this in the movie.
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03-17-12, 1:43 PM

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A good ending to the series and it actually wraps things up nicely. I don't understand what people are complaining about. If Shaft releases any extra chapters, it'll probably be some filler stuff.

Not as good as Bakemonogatari though. But luckily they have several more novels to animate and might still get the chance to top it.

Looking forward to Kizumonogatari. That's going to be very different in tone and style to Nise.
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03-17-12, 1:45 PM

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I'll never forget this series and specially this particular season, I loved it so much. I actually enjoyed this more than Bakemono.
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03-17-12, 1:48 PM

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the only thing i liked about the tsukihi arc was the op song
didnt like this sequel very much, ill give it a 5/10
 
03-17-12, 1:50 PM

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Last episode was really good.
 
03-17-12, 1:52 PM

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Teen Shinobu is really hot, actually Shinobu in any age/size is hot. Btw i still cant believe they manage to end the arc with this episode when Tsukihi only made minimum appearance throughout her arc.

Well im guessing the "continue" either means an extra in the blu ray or the Nekomonogatari. Still cant wait, and i seriously mean CANT WAIT for Shaft to animate the rest of the monogatari series. Wonder how many years that is gonna take, but i'll wait patiently.

feel exactly the same
i think this final was perfect, 10/10 for me
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03-17-12, 1:54 PM

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LMAO! I totally knew I'd see a shitload of epic screams on these boards when i saw Senjougahara at the end. I had to take a double take myself. For a second she looked a bit like Kanbaru. I don't know. sure, i like long flowing hair. But i guess right now shorter hair is the "in" thing in Japan. As long as her personality is there it's all that matters.

Shinobu's second form is sweet as hell. As much as loli Shinobu was cute, her new current form is more "sexy" and i then could actually enjoy seeing her naked instead of wincing while saying "I'm watching for the dialogue" repeatedly.

Araragi doing his "i'm going to let you beat me up while bore you to death with my epic speech" routine was amusing. Especially when Shinobu is trying to keep a straight face when holding him up. funny stuff.

I don't get Japan and their "'I hate you,' but you mean a lot to me"" thing. So like if you aren't going to have sex with someone you tell them you hate them or something? Concept seems different to me. Like in the US there's various levels of Love. So i could say i love my sister. It doesn't mean i want to stick my dick in her. She's just family and a good friend. It's almost the opposite. In the US when your willing to say you hate someone it really means "i can't stand you stay away from me"
 
03-17-12, 2:07 PM

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Wow! That fight was awesome... morbid, but awesome!
I liked the ending, even though I tend to hate "unfinished" wrap-ups like this, but meh...
Guess I prefer the Bake series, only because it was longer :P
 
03-17-12, 2:09 PM

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Wow! That fight was awesome... morbid, but awesome!
I liked the ending, even though I tend to hate "unfinished" wrap-ups like this, but meh...
Guess I prefer the Bake series, only because it was longer :P


I'm not sure but we might get the same treatment as bake and get webcasted episodes that release in much larger intervals.


 
03-17-12, 2:29 PM

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wow, it's already over ;/

koyomi got F*CKED UP during the fight lol, but his speech about his sisters and family was epic

also, im still VERY disappointed at the lack of senjougahara...

she got like a total of 15 seconds throughout the WHOLE episode, and she didn't even get to talk.
(still liked the beach scene at the very end though, just wished it couldve lasted a LOT longer)

cant wait for the rest of the monogatari series now!!! :D

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03-17-12, 2:30 PM

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I can't complain, I saw this coming- SHAFT always has poor budgeting. Still a great series overall, and the ending was better than expected frankly.

Looking forward to more shinobu than Senjougahara in this year's Kizumonogatari.

You guys can't honestly claim you were 'trolled' out of a good ending? It's SHAFT, come on. They're charmingly annoying like that.


There wont be any senjougahara in Kizu.

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03-17-12, 2:30 PM

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Oh man..great episode =o
Now let's see if we'll have another gatari series right? *-*
 
03-17-12, 2:45 PM

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Wow, what a way to end this off. During the gory parts of Kagenui literally beating the SHIT out of Araragi, I had to turn my head away from the screen at some points. Blegh. Anyways, I was bothered by just how much Kagenui sounded like Onizuka Hime from SKET Dance! I mean, they have the same voice actors, but still.

Anyways, this episode was a wonderful ending to Nisemonogatari. Tsukihi Phoenix was much, much better than Karen Bee in my opinion.

Lastly, WHY DID GAHARA-SAN CUT HER HAIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First Hanekawa, then Karen, now Gahara-san.

Oh, and one more thing, Shinobu was extremely badass this episode. Can't wait to watch Kizumonogatari!
 
03-17-12, 2:47 PM

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Oh, and one more thing, Shinobu was extremely badass this episode. Can't wait to watch Kizumonogatari!


I liked Gahara's short hair.
Shinobu is my favourite, she's so damn good at being an almighty loli.


 
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About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucianist. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.
 
03-17-12, 2:57 PM

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awsome sequel, no complains for me 10/10

and happily waiting the koyomi vamp arc =)
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Great series ,loved the teen Shinobu ,Gahara looks like Kanbaru with short hair.
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awsome sequel, no complains for me 10/10

and happily waiting the koyomi vamp arc =)


Especially with Shinobu~

IAlready said:
About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucianist. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.


I was actually wondering about this, your summary is nice- though I Found that the two of them just backing off was majorly anticlimatic. Just like how the con artist just left the city.


 
03-17-12, 3:16 PM

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Koyomi took that beating like a boss.

Nice way to end even though it leaves wanting more.

Can't wait for the BDs to come out for archival purposes.
 
03-17-12, 3:17 PM

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Koyomi took that beating like a boss.

Nice way to end even though it leaves wanting more.

Can't wait for the BDs to come out for archival purposes.


This reminds me of his fight with Suruga monkey in the first series, except this time it wasn't censored by rainbow paint :')


 
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IAlready said:
About Kagenui's blabber about philosophy. Both of those Chinese philosophers that Kagenui mentioned are Confucian. Confucius, just laid out teachings for social order but didn't ponder on human nature so there was a dichotomy, or a division between 2 school of thought that interpret the nature of man, Mencius and Shun Tzu; the former believes that there is an inherent goodness among us but because of external factors, we are influence and eventually become evil, thus, we need education to nurture the four seeds, namely: Compassion, Shame, Respect, Knowledge of Right and Wrong. On the other hand, the later believes that all men are evil in nature and that we don't have 4 seeds in us, however, he believes that it is also education(environment and those who learn from it) that can make us good for with education we realize our true nature and we are able to correct it, and to finally, to do away with it.

Overall, Mencius think that men are naturally inclined to do good, but Shun Tzu argues that men are evil, and goodness is a conscious activity derived from learning our evil nature because it is the way to relate with others.


Well, that's just my interpretation about those 2 - to each his own.


I was actually wondering about this, your summary is nice- though I Found that the two of them just backing off was majorly anticlimactic. Just like how the con artist just left the city.
You can find out more:
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compare and enrich upon both info.

Essentially my take in it is that the reasoning of the fake being worth more due its efforts in mimicking the real are questionable for each person. You can value your fake as much I value my real but in thee end the composition is what really matters. Kaiki omitted that on purpose to focus on the one aspect of feelings/attachment. In other words Kaiki explained the concept of being "xxxHolic" one of valuing objects and the level of being attached to them. Which is interesting on its own.
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03-17-12, 3:29 PM

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Gahara-san Why???? T_T

Anyways awesome series 10/10 :]
But.........Gahara-san WHY ;_;
 
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