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03-08-12, 3:53 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Amazing episode
I think this showed us how powerful tobi really is.
Also at the end there seeing his new mask was awesome!
 
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03-08-12, 4:13 AM

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The fight between Tobi and Konan was done really great. Though the end was kind of sloppy in terms of animation and the preview looked nice! Looks like fillers are not a threat any more.

Tobi looking badass!
 
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03-08-12, 5:01 AM

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I really loved this episode and was a bit sad because I had my hopes for potential relationship between Konan and Naruto. That would be a good pair of two people who deserve and respect each other.
 
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03-08-12, 5:16 AM

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Can't stand how much this show retreads material. It's like I'm watching a soap opera or something.
 
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03-08-12, 5:21 AM

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Great ep, till the boring flashback when they were kids.
 
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03-08-12, 5:46 AM

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Most of the tracks were off this episode....
Animation of the paper sucked, especially since the amazing CGI of last ep.
The fight was good though, the end was nice.
Not a perfect way to end this good arc.
And we shall begin the new lame arc :(
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I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.
 
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-Solo said:
I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.


1) and 2) I'm guessing maybe they used too much chakra?
I mean Konan was almost collapsing after the huge paper bomb explosion.
As for Madara he seemed to be struggling too, even with his other eye.
This is all just a guess though, probably better answers out there though >~<

3) LOL, lazy? xD I really have no idea. I didn't think about this though aha

And yes, please change the opening, it is time!

..LOL at the frog costumes in the flash back, way too distracting with the plot, I was giggling at them looking all ridiculously cute.

and finally looking forward to the ninja war, bring it on~

 
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03-08-12, 7:38 AM

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3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?


I've always assumed that the different paths just copied the the Rinnegan off the original, in this case Nagato, and so when Nagato stops controlling a body they lose the Rinnegan leaving Nagato's the only set that could be taken.
 
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-Solo said:
I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.


1) le plot holes all over the place?
2) I don't think

3) You mean Yahiko? He doesn't have the Rinnegan, when Nagato uses it, all eyes of the paths that are controlled take the shape of the original(Nagato)'s eyes.
Same when people whose bodies are manipulated by the Sharingan
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-Solo said:
I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.


1.) Konan stated in the ep that her "Sacred Paper Emissary Jutsu" had come undone from such a high chakra usage; i can only assume that jutsu is what manifests her ability to manipulate paper at such a high level.

2.) If Madara can really use a true Izanagi like he stated, then Izanagi is a much more suitable jutsu for the situation he was in compared to Susano.

3.) I'm pretty sure the only reason Tendo Pain( and the other Pains as well) had the Rinnegan is because they were being controlled by Nagato with the Six Paths jutsu, basically just being copies of the true Rinnegan and once the jutsu was released they disappeared.
 
03-08-12, 8:50 AM

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alright ep not so good like last week.

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2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?


simple he can't he has just the normal Sharingan for Susano he need Mangekyo Sharingan which he said on several occasion he has not....

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Konan used a very good tactic but Madara still managed to evade it.
It's almost like Madara is immortal like there is nothing that can kill him yet he does seem to have a few weaknesses.
Which he seems fully aware of.
 
03-08-12, 9:14 AM

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I liked the Episode. A Fight taking 2 only 2 episodes is rare in Naruto lol... but, it was a good one. Konan was a strong opponent but, not strong enough ;) Good to see an opponent doing 'simulation' before actually fighting lol. Not everyone in there is just going head on in fights.

I liked the Flash Back with Konan and her friend but, could have been shorter. The Toad disguise were a huge WTF O.o'

-Solo said:
I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.


1) Hum... The Surprise ? I mean. She seemed very surprise he could reach her like that and hit her.
2) Like Bskbob said; He doesn't have it.
3) There was nothing he could actually want from them. His goal was Nagato from the Start. He's the real holder of the Rinnegan no one else really matter.

What I am wondering is... How does he intend to use the Rinnegan... I mean. He already got 2 very powerful eyes. The Left one being the Sharingan. The Right one being another Sharingan but... that one is just for one particular jutsu and is blind. I don't think he's going to give up on either so... what with the 3rd eyes ?...

Gonna 'create' a new eye cavity between the two ? lol WTF Horrible
 
03-08-12, 9:29 AM

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Good episode. I liked these chapters in the manga and the anime transition didn't disappoint me. Good thing that they decided to cut on the overly exaggerated flash-backs on this one.

The only thing that kind of bothered me is that when Tobi completed Konan's sentence with "...Dead?" he revlead himself in a rather "dull manner" which killed the surprise element. When reading the manga it gave you more of a shock effect by being more sudden, but I guess that it didn't work with the perspective they decided to use in the anime. Meh, this is just me being picky.

Anyways...5/5 for me.
 
03-08-12, 9:32 AM

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bskbob said:
alright ep not so good like last week.

-Solo said:
2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?


simple he can't he has just the normal Sharingan for Susano he need Mangekyo Sharingan which he said on several occasion he has not....




He just used Izanagi, doesn't that mean he has the Mangekyou?
Even his sucking jutsu is mangekyou-related
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03-08-12, 9:33 AM

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last line : "lets go collect the 9 tails "

... good luck ? :D


._. yeah that would be all .


 
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bskbob said:
alright ep not so good like last week.

-Solo said:
2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?


simple he can't he has just the normal Sharingan for Susano he need Mangekyo Sharingan which he said on several occasion he has not....




He just used Izanagi, doesn't that mean he has the Mangekyou?
Even his sucking jutsu is mangekyou-related


The only requirements to use Izanagi are having a Sharingan eye and Senju's DNA.
 
03-08-12, 9:59 AM

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It's so sad that Konan is gone. She was really great..

Madara's face looks weird but cool.
 
03-08-12, 10:11 AM

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The fight between Tobi and Konan was done really great. Though the end was kind of sloppy in terms of animation and the preview looked nice! Looks like fillers are not a threat any more.

Tobi looking badass!


Yet looks like were safe.

This is currently the line up

"The Bridge to Peace"
"Heiwa e no Kakehashi" (平和への懸け橋) March 8, 2012 TBA
254 "The Super Secret S Rank Mission"
"Doesu-kyū Gokuhi Ninmu" (ドS級極秘任務) March 15, 2012 TBA
255 "The Artist Returns"
"Geijutsuka Futatabi" (芸術家再び) March 22, 2012 TBA
Amass! Shinobi Allied Forces!"
"Shūketsu! Shinobi Rengōgun!" (集結! 忍連合軍!) March 29, 2012

According to the manga, 256 would be the first episode of this world war arc, March 29th, Awesome news!

In any case, yes for the love of god change the opening, this opening does not suit this part of the story any more.
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03-08-12, 10:37 AM

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I'm going to miss Konan :(
 
03-08-12, 10:47 AM

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In any case, yes for the love of god change the opening, this opening does not suit this part of the story any more.


That will be taken care of in a few weeks.
 
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Nuff said.
 
03-08-12, 12:59 PM

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great great ep!
 
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-Solo said:
I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.


1. As people mentioned I'm guessing due to the chakra usage.

2. I remember him mentioning previously due to his fight with Hashirama his powers are not as they were in his former glory. Could be one of the possible reasons why, or it could be he can't actually use it (as for my reason why...well I don't want to include any spoilers from the Manga).
Also if he does...it's the 3rd power of the Mangekyo Sharingan, using it at this early stage would probably spoil it if he can, and Izanagi was more suited to the situation.

3. Nagato is the true possesor of the Rinnegan, the other paths of pein only had the Rinnegan due to the chakra receivers i believe it was. So there eyes don't really have a Rinnegan capability with out them.


Well on point to the episode, it was good, flash backs were decent I guess.
I will miss Konan, the anime didn't do her death justice like the manga did in my opinion at least.

Tobi finally has the Rinnegan, i guess the chapter after next the war will begin unless there's a filler.

Looking forward to it xD
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03-08-12, 3:34 PM

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Really great episode that has me anxiously awaiting for the next one! :D
 
03-08-12, 9:24 PM

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Madara is on top of everything, amazing warrior. Well I'm just surprised on how quick the anime moves, no wonder fillers are always brought in.
 
03-08-12, 9:43 PM

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Awesome pace!

Konan didn't disappoint me and put on a good fight.
lol @ frog flashback! It was nice seeing a flashback which wasn't shown before =)

"Kyuubi o tori ni iku!"
Majiiiiii!
Sore wa chotto hayai dazu!
*BIG SHOCK*

OK. With this, it is becoming more and more unlikely for me to be able to wait for 1 week for each ep >.<"

NO FILLERS FTW!

Can't wait for next ep~
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Peace, peace!! xPP
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1. She had no chakra/surprise attack so she gets hit by it
2. Susano prolly seemed like overkill in Tobi's opinion in beg of fight. He can't kill Konan or else he won't learn where she laid Yahiko/Nagato. Using Susano just isn't a strong enough defense for big paper explosion. He doesn't use it at end becuz Izanagi sacrifices one of his eyes, and Susano a mangekyo technique which is learned after the mastery of both gen/ninjutsu eyes and since he sacrificed one of them, no Susano for tobi D:
3. Without Nagato's influence, Tendo pain does not have the Rinnengan

Anyyways, episode was great, these flashbacks had no problem whatsoever(they aint filler), they give minor info on Nagato/Yahiko/Konan group when they were kids, and talked about how they would meet back in hideout after they accomplish their goals. Little red square/frog thing was just an original way to show Konan's blood red paper returning, to signify a reunion in the end.
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I knew the outcome since I had read the manga, but I'm still wondering three things..

1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?

Please avoid giving me tl;dr answers.

Besides that, good ep. I hope they change the opening soon.
 
03-09-12, 6:35 AM

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The worst episode in a while (then again we've been spoiled with good episodes recently for a change) but not too bad I guess.
 
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Frankly, i was surprised Konan even put up that much of a fight against Madara. I realize that she is an Akatsuki member and she had ample amount of time to prepare for a fight again him, but still...eh.

I wonder if Madara only took one eye or both...i'd imagine he wouldn't want Kabuto to control a Nagato that has possession of one of the Rinnegan eyes since he clearly doesn't trust him.
 
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Amazing episode
I think this showed us how powerful tobi really is.
Also at the end there seeing his new mask was awesome!
yeah i agree The Episode was AMAMZING! MY heart is really moved =D
 
03-09-12, 2:59 PM

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Nice. Madara really looks badass at the end. Also, in the start of this episode he didn't had an arm, and he lost his eye. Now, he's with both arms and eyes, dafuq..
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I really loved this episode and was a bit sad because I had my hopes for potential relationship between Konan and Naruto. That would be a good pair of two people who deserve and respect each other.

lol i was think that too. alteast she exited the stage better than our last death.
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Nice. Madara really looks badass at the end. Also, in the start of this episode he didn't had an arm, and he lost his eye. Now, he's with both arms and eyes, dafuq..

there's the theory of him having some power from our green akutsuki friend.


 
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Amazing episodes :D And the kids flashback are nice
 
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Why is Tobis Skin so dark ? o:
 
03-10-12, 11:59 AM

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More eyes for Mr. BBEG!

Also, Kabuto looks way meaner than Orochimaru ever did!
 
03-10-12, 8:16 PM

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Kanon is such a strong female character, hoped she has much more influence in the story in assisting Naruto.
 
03-10-12, 9:22 PM

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Great episode. Sad end to the 3 students.
 
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Awesome episode!
 
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1.)Isn't Konan(paper) like Suigetsu(water) in being resistant to physical damage due to being made of *insert element already mentioned*? Shouldn't stabbing her, like Madara did, not work? Or at the very least, shouldn't she have been able to turn to paper to escape?

2.)Why didn't Madara at least try to use his Susano's?

3.)Madara took Nagato.. Were Tendo Pein's eyes not good enough?
I suppose it's a bit redundant since you've already gotten a number of responses, but even so, I think I can add some details.
1) Konan's Shikigami no Mai wore off — the subs were odd for this episode (at least on Hulu and presumably also Crunchyroll), and they named the wrong jutsu. She overexerted herself and so she had solidified involuntarily, leaving her vulnerable.
2) Whether or not he even can use Susano'o has not been confirmed, but it likely wouldn't have helped either way — Susano'o has a serious weakness, in that it provides no protection from below, and since Madara was in midair, this opening could have been easily exploited. Additionally, Susano'o does not solve the "falling from a height that would bring certain death" problem, as even if Susano'o kept him from splattering against the bottom, the instant deceleration out of terminal velocity would kill him on its own.
3) Given that the Rinnegan requires both the Sharigan and Senju powers to awaken, and neither Yahiko nor any of the other bodies (nor the summoned animals, for that matter) possessed either of these things, it is safe to presume that his was an "extension" of Nagato's, somehow.

Now then, my thoughts on the episode:
• Amusingly, this is the third time Madara has lost an arm. However, this is the first time he's suffered any lasting consequences from a fight, losing a Sharingan for the cost of Izanagi — which also makes Konan the only person to actually damage him in any way.
• Madara quite clearly used Izanagi near the beginning of Konan's bombastic onslaught. We'll let slide the fact that she presumably should have noticed him cease to exist, and chalk that up to her technique making it so she couldn't see nor sense him, but there's still a problem: Konan kept the jutsu going for the full ten minutes… so Madara used Izanagi, and then didn't reappear until ten minutes later?
• Interestingly, almost no one in the Naruto series would have been able to survive Konan's technique. Only a handful of people would be able to survive the fall or otherwise compensate for it, but few if any could respond to the 600,000,000,000 explosions that followed. Aside from Madara, the only person I can think of is the Third Tsuchikage, with a "possibly" for Minato — the Tsuchikage can fly unaided, and so could escape rather easily, and depending on the distance to the nearest tag (we do know that the his technique does have a limited range — this was why he couldn't just warp immediately back to Kushina after Madara abducted her, though he did catch up rather quickly), Minato may be able to warp away. So, at least as far as I could figure, there's all of three characters who would be able to survive Konan's technique if unprepared.
• The animation had some very noticeably poor moments. Yay for QUALITY.
• Well, we have another example of "how not to use flashbacks" to learn from. Today's lesson is "Maintaining mood consistency in music". A flashback that could work well where it is placed can still be a jarring and unwelcome intrusion if the creators do not mind the music, and therefore create a clashing tone — like jumping immediately from a quiet, somber moment to a cheerful "happy memories" bit. For example, the frog-suits scene. Without the lighthearted music playing in the background, this shift would not have been nearly as disruptive as it was.
 
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Nice episode, the ending with the red paper made me tear up :c
 
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I will miss Konan so much T.T
 
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Good Bye Konan :(

2 bad you didn't join the alliance to take care of Tobi

I wonder if that shrine has some special meaning

if Yahiko was left there
 
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great episode
 
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It's so sad that Konan died. I loved her a bit even though she was a bit off. She did put up a heck of a fight.
 
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I don't like Masked man's New outfit -_-'
 
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• Interestingly, almost no one in the Naruto series would have been able to survive Konan's technique. Only a handful of people would be able to survive the fall or otherwise compensate for it, but few if any could respond to the 600,000,000,000 explosions that followed. Aside from Madara, the only person I can think of is the Third Tsuchikage, with a "possibly" for Minato — the Tsuchikage can fly unaided, and so could escape rather easily, and depending on the distance to the nearest tag (we do know that the his technique does have a limited range — this was why he couldn't just warp immediately back to Kushina after Madara abducted her, though he did catch up rather quickly), Minato may be able to warp away. So, at least as far as I could figure, there's all of three characters who would be able to survive Konan's technique if unprepared.



Actually you are a little wrong, there are more. Sai for example can draw a bird and fly on it(he probably wouldn't be fast enough though), but the one i think has a clear chance of surviving is Garra. He can use his sand to levitate so he has no fear of falling between her tags and even if he was inside the explosion he can use his sand by making a hard big ball to defend. Let's not forget that when he lost to Akatsuki it was because Deidara managed to put his little bombs into his sand and make an explosion inside his ball. All the explosions he threw at him from outside never managed to hurt him.

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What I am wondering is... How does he intend to use the Rinnegan... I mean. He already got 2 very powerful eyes. The Left one being the Sharingan. The Right one being another Sharingan but... that one is just for one particular jutsu and is blind. I don't think he's going to give up on either so... what with the 3rd eyes ?...

Gonna 'create' a new eye cavity between the two ? lol WTF Horrible


The hidden sharingan wasn't blind. It was a normal sharingan, it goes blind after the use of Izanagi and can't be used anymore. To make the Izanagi technique you have to have a working sharingan eye and basically sacrifice it. So when he use that technique his eye became useless so now he only has one sharingan eye. Because of that he now has one perfectly free eye socket to put a Rinnegan.
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used the sharingan eye and made it useless. rinnegan now have an empty spot - how convenient!
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I will miss Konan :'/
 
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