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Dude, what else is there beside the moe? story? character development? in a 12 episode anime? Oh c'mon, if it isn't moe nor mahou shoujo for little girls nor a magical action pewpew, then what is it?
let's be real, the majority of otaku's watched it for the lolis and the little fanservice tones. i know i did, and so did many of my friends and the otaku's i know.
but it did have a good story and character development.

Yes. And the great music, unique visuals, stellar seiyuu performances, dramatic tension, and brilliant subversion of of genre conventions.

Look, I'm not going to pretend that fans aren't motivated by a cute character design (I know I sure am) or that everyone would articulate their positive opinion of Madoka in terms of artistic merit or visual uniqueness or subversion of expectations or whatever. It's not really important that people are conscious of those things when watching a show.

But in my opinion it did do those things. So combine cute characters with a heavily marketed creative dream team (which matters, even if western fans weren't as aware), and then have the show itself turn out to be something incredibly engaging and unique and masterfully executed, and that gets you a heck of a lot farther towards explaining 71k average sales than vague concepts like "the moe" can.

So in short, cute girls do not a 71k average seller make. There's way, way more to it than that, otherwise every show with cute girls would sell that much.

That's a solid point you have here. what i was trying to say is that the "moe" is a big boost man, of course moe alone can't get THAT much sales, heck even a crappy animated series and a less common genre can get that much sales if the plot and character developement is good.
voicaloid isn't even an anime, and it's popular as heck in japan.
touhou is just a side scrolling shooter and it dominates the comiket every year lol.
it's all about what a series has to offer, but its genre and content does play a major role.

I don't think the character in Madoka is cute and

IIRC, the sales and hype (of Madoka) started to explode snd skyrocket after episode 3 which little bit too extreme to be called "moe" unless you are a sick little psychopath

You're still here?
say what? the character in madoka is not cute?
Bro, something must be wrong with you.
Also stop calling other people sick little psychopaths when you're the one who's obssesed with arguing online about minor things, lighten up bro.

you friggin' little ignorant.

u need to be completely blind if can't see the chara design is moe n designated for otaku.

And if anything that's the appeal of Madoka, make those "moe" element mixed in gruesome urobuchi story's.

I think I clearly stated that I dont think that the design is moe (at least for me) or should I re-state as I like design character for another series much better than madoka?
if other people said that is moe, fine with me.



and for stupidyaro my point about psychopath is, you actually watched the 3rd episode of Madoka right? not just for petty revenge of our discussion yesterday, coz IIRC I'm only stating what is in my mind, (about finding RKB had a decent sales, and won't rank one if it was out last or next week, about didn't find that Chara design for Madoka Magica is moe or cute enough for me) and same as yesterday you suddenly jump in with what I described as angry with other people opinion post

Is madoka cute? well not for me, but maybe for others and
when a little girl got it's head bitten which I believe is the trigger of Madoka Magica Phenomenon, and would you call/describe the biting process as moe? coz there I was describing the biting process not the character design and like fertygo mentioned the design characters is (for some people not for me) but that biting process is not
EXCEPT you are sick little psychopath finding yourself aroused looking helpless girl got her head chopped off like I mentioned in my previous post

Not for you. then why call others who find it moe psychopaths?
Just because there's such disturbing scene doesn't mean the whole anime is about disturbing scenes. it's moe, i find the anime moe, most otakus find it moe.
you don't, keep your opinion for yourself and don't force it on us and call us psychopaths.

I called psychopath for those who find themselves aroused by looking helpless girl got her head chopped off not the one who like the character design
(can you even read coz it's cleary stated in the post that you quoted)
so which one are you? if you are the latter one I believe there is no reason to be mad, if you are the first one...no comment except you should go to see for 'help'

and I didn't say a thing about the whole anime is about disturbing scene, stop making thing up >.>

Did i ever mention that i like fapping to girls getting their heads chopped off?
All i said is that the characters are moe, i'm not talking about specific scenes, i'm just saying that the characters were made to appeal to the otakus. a disturbing scene here and there won't stop an anime from being "moe", if you get what i mean.
there's also a genre called "guro", check it out and you might want to re-consider alot of things.

so you are not finding yourself aroused by looking at it then you are not the 'psychopath' that I mentioned in every single of my post (which I believe you missed the point) so why you so damn mad at my post as if you are that psychopath that I mentioned b4?

I'm not talking about you or the other ppl who like the design (which clearly not my cup of tea), and you generalized that I'm calling everyone who like Madoka is psychopath? so by giving score aroud 7-8 for madoka myself, I'm like 70-80% psychopath?

you said you find the characters are moe, I didn't...is there something wrong with that? I believe you use term 'not forcing opinion to the others' before, you should apply it to yourself first

and I'm merely stating my opinion and never force my opinion to others as well coz I clearly use term 'I (don't like)' which indicate myself not 'you should (not like)' or 'you have to (not like)', clear?

mate my words for you are, read carefully especially if the post are having a different value/point of view with yours coz I found you are easily getting agitated for something that not even what you think about.

It's because you're offending a group of people that you don't even know.
why would you even call them psychopaths in the first place? why judge people on their preferences? i'm just saying dude.

Argument aside, I'm not sure it's really appropriate to be discussing spoilers in a thread completely unrelated to the show being debated.

so what would you call people who getting aroused by seeing helpless people head chopped off again? upstanding citizen? gentle husband? wait no need to answer coz its stupid

and mate, if you ain't one of them...drop the subject already, why dragging something that not even aimed at you for the first place? revenge? LOL

if you are (that what I described as psychopath and feels offended), i don't mind if you want to continue our debate, just put message in my profile, putting your complete address would be very good coz I would like to call 911 asap LOL

Why don't YOU ignore them and get over it? wouldn't that be better for everyone?
how about you drop the subject? since you're the one who started the whole thing in the first place.
Revenge? for what?
Lol man just...god help the humanity.

nothing will change even I didn't ignore them, except denial one of them feeling offended

about dropping/continuing the subject I guess you don't know where my profile is...

i remember posting about not liking madoka character design

and then someone suddenly jump criticizing that I force my opinion to be accepted generally...well who was that again?

and no, god help you (please god help him, we human can wait)



jealousy? anger? redeeming a wounded useless pride in the media called Internet perhaps? you name it, don't ask me mate, you know better

Wow, too much hostility from you dude. i remember you saying something along the lines of "showing your true colors" or some random bs, i guess that actually applies to you.
No, i said you shouldn't force your pointless opinion on people because you called a specific group "psychopaths", stop making a fool out of yourself man, it pains me to see trolls humiliating themselves. despite the fact that they're trolls.
jealous of what? anger of what? internet pride what?? I don't even...Wow, just wow.
stupidity was taken to a whole new level.

Do we really need like 3 pages of this bickering back and forth?

Even though i was involved in it, i'm with you on that one.
i'm trying to end this conversation but the guy keeps coming up with the stupidest things ever.

never hide my colour since the begining, always stating my opinion loud and clear...unlike you



dear lord I think I already explained this



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which part of my profile that you don't understand? now that is the stupidest thing ever