Japan's Weekly DVD & CD Rankings for Feb 27 - Mar 4

Gikari said:

I didn't say that, did I? There mere fact that random ecchis and harems are selling better than normal animes is terrible. That's what I meant. I don't think I need to add IMO at the end of every post in order to mean it as my own opinion, because undoubtedly, it is. It's internets, you know.

articuzwolf said:
manglobe fail to deliver I guess, well it's still 4000k and above manabi line

but for HNG and Movie as well?

Shana didn't do quite well as well

maybe people just get tired of the franchise OR JC Staff

RyanSaotome said:


The problem with Shana is that they waited way too long since the last season. At this point, many people have lost interest.

Same thing with Zero no Tsukaima, which also flopped in sales.

dtshyk said:


Single CD
11, 11,426 11,426 Ano Natsu de Matteru "Vidro Moyo"
25, *3,915 35,015 Aquarion Evol "Kimi no Shinwa ~Aquarion Dai 2 Sho"
28, *3,684 29,605 Bleach "Harukaze"
30, *3,428 *3,428 Kami nomi zo Shiru Sekai "Sakurairo Sotsugyo" & "Bare Bare Valentine"
39, *1,923 12,454 Bleach "Mask"
50, *1,425 11,854 Kaji Yuki "sense of wonder"

Album CD
*2, 19,629 19,629 Fullmetal Alchemist The Best
*3, 15,031 15,031 Chihara Minori "D-Formation"
34, *3,338 21,796 Horie Yui "Himitsu"
50, *2,036 *2,036 K-On! (Movie) Official Band Scores

Gikari said:
I didn't say that, did I? There mere fact that random ecchis and harems are selling better than normal animes is terrible. That's what I meant. I don't think I need to add IMO at the end of every post in order to mean it as my own opinion, because undoubtedly, it is. It's internets, you know.

dczzz said:
Ro-Kyu-bu?? Really?? I know people like loli's but WOW.

JakeeDylan said:
Nakama's sales aren't that great D: Just ordered that single last week, Good Coming made a nice debut. Looks like anime sales this week aren't that great, huh.

Hoppy said:
Hopefully Papakiki ranks ok next week.

VioLink said:
Just wait until you see how much Highschool DxD and Nisemonogatari sell.

dczzz said:
Ro-Kyu-bu?? Really?? I know people like loli's but WOW.

Parkur said:
>Ro-Kyu-Bu on the list

>chihayafuru not on the list

oh japan

Nachtwandler_21 said:
BZW how are pre-orders for AnoNatsu? It was quite large(not so large as NMG of cause but better than most of the Winter shows).

jmal said:

Chihayafuru sells like 300k a volume manga, I really don't think BD sales are that big a deal for it. You have to take audience into consideration. Not every franchise is intended to make its money the same way.

Roukyuubu sells more DVDs than Naruto Shippuden. But really, which do you think is bigger? Different audiences, different markets. Sales data is useful, but just throwing two numbers against each other without any attention paid towards context just confuses things.

Hoppy said:

Loli anime sells however Josei anime doesn't sell because most of the buying fanbase are male, josei maga does sell same with LNs.

DaisyDuck3008 said:
Is Ro-Kyu-Bu THAT popular?

Hoppy said:


It seems almost everyone is surprised by this.

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Well in all honesty, i was surprised my self. not by Ro-kyu-bu only, but half of the listed series.
though in RKB's case, when you think about it, it does make sense, i mean let's face it, an anime with Lolis+Harem elements = instant win and epic marketing, you know the otaku culture lol
P.S and why the hell is Shakugan no shana not first? it deserves the spot man, not to mention how successful it was and how big its fanbase is, probably bigger than most of those listed shows.

jmal said:
It's one of the best shows they've done. I have no desire to see them fail with a good show. And yes, I'm importing it.

articuzwolf said:


oh come on, it just happen to be out in the right week right time

should it come last week (with Horizon, P4 and SG) or even worse next week (with F/Z sells comes out)
Ryo-Ku-Bu sales would look really really small



I'm not saying the show is bad...
Just don't like their (JC Staff) policy lately

jmal said:

Eh? Why? The second season has only averaged 4,199 so far. Decent enough I guess, it's likely breaking even, but that's nothing super impressive and certainly not high sales. It's... just kinda middling.

jmal said:

Not an instant sales win though. Shows like RKB can do well, but more often than not ecchi/harem/shounen lightnovel-type stuff sells "okay" or worse. The ones that do around RKB's level or higher just end up getting all the attention.


It may have had a big fanbase, but they all seem to have moved on somewhere in 2009-2010 based on the sales drop of Shana S. I'm importing it but I'm only one person... at least it didn't collapse as badly in sales as ZnT.


Not sure what you mean by "their policy".

jmal said:

All I'm getting at is that fanservice (or ecchi or harem or loli or whatever term we're focused on at the moment) does not guarantee good sales by itself. It's something people say a lot ("of course it's selling, it has fanservice" and such things) but there are many shows that rely on fanservice, and many of them sell a lot less than RKB has.

Obviously this discussion depends a lot on how you define fanservice, or how much of it constitutes "a fanservice show" and stuff. It's a broad topic, and fanservice is usually just one element of a show, not the whole show.

jmal said:

? Fujoshi stuff routinely sells better than Sekai-ichi is selling. There's not a lot of such shows, but what ones do come out get supported pretty well for the most part.

jmal said:
Not sure what you mean by "their policy".

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Well you do have a point there. i mean afterall these are the WEEKLY rankings. it's not like they'll be there forever lol. not to mention some animes there have a really small audience and some of them i havent even heard of for instance my neighbor totoro, etc, oh well, like i said, they are weekly afterall. so i'm all with you on the " it just happen to be out in the right week right time", it does make sense lol.

articuzwolf said:


bad colouring (for 2012), significantly drop at animation quality after first episode, etc2

but well, let's don't there, shall we?
in the end it'll be a matter of taste, some of my friends said they still like it



you know what, Totoro is a really really bad example, cumulative of more than 1 million sales and it has been there since like forever, rkb is not even close to it

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Why only RKB? there are more worthless titles on the list. and anyone can guess lol

articuzwolf said:


you know, now I'm having a really hard time to follow you
so what are you trying to say is why am I discrimating RKB?
well we, mmm no they are talking about why RKB in the 1st position right mate?
so I just pointed out that IF AND ONLY IF RKB came out for sales last week or next week
I wouldn't be in the 1st place considering it's only have 4k sales.

Did I say or imply that RKB is bad and doesn't deserve on the first place?
No, I didn't even interested or watch the show so I don't have a slightest idea if the show is good or not, and not my style to judge the show just by the sales alone without even watching it.
(I consider 4k sales as a decent little bit above average sales for a show though, you can't call it a success without considering the production cost, but a lot of shows do less better in term of sales)

and about worthless titles you are mentioning about, I don't know what shows are you talking or implying about and I don't want to play a judge...but I'm just guessing it's a show that do better than RKB even though you like RKB more...
sorry mate, I'm not gonna criticize the show just out of jealousy

bakayarokonoyaro said:

My point is, in this week's list, there are loads of shows that don't deserve the spot, RKB was decent and i wouldn't be surprised if it got first the next week aswell, the genre itself is quite popular.

articuzwolf said:


you mean you think they don't deserve to be there because you think RKB is better

and about RKB being decent, I already mentioned in my previous post that in term of sales only I completely agree with you

and about being first next week as well, uuuh I wouldn't bet on it if I were you

bakayarokonoyaro said:
My point is, in this week's list, there are loads of shows that don't deserve the spot, RKB was decent and i wouldn't be surprised if it got first the next week aswell, the genre itself is quite popular.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Are you trying to start an arguement, sir?
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, and for the record, i never said RKB is better, try reading next time.
the sales, the anime, the plot, the lolis, it's all decent wheter you like it or not, it's there. number 1.

bakayarokonoyaro said:

once again, try reading, what i'm getting at is in this list, some animes don't deserve the spot, heck even RKB doesn't deserve to be first.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't

bakayarokonoyaro said:
basically, most of the animes on this week's rankings are unexpected, most people would be surprised.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
and if you think about it, considering the genre of RKB, it can EASILY get more sales, but there's too much animes of the same genre, and otakus won't stick just to that one.

articuzwolf said:


finally showing your true colour huh...should I repeat it again?
not even watch it, how come I could arrive at the point I don't like the show?
all I did say was RKB has a decent sales with 4k on it's first week, topping 'this week' ranking and running some simulation what will happen if it's out last or next week
did I try to start an argument? well it's up to you to decide, isn't it?



LOLed at this, should I quote someone's post which I found very hilarious considering it's only separated with several lines
????


should I introduce you to him?
?????


no it's expected, there was no strong title came out this week (most of the strong titles came out last week) and you need to wait till next week to see a monstrous sales from title that you should have known by now. (even jmal and ryan mentioned it on their post)
and looking at the past sales of RKB, yeah it's expected
It just most people doesn't really follow amazon stalker or remembering the sales if you know what I mean.


top sales in japan are (correct me if im wrong) Bakemono, Madoka, Gundam Seed and then little down below into 30-40k sales are another shows like Gundam 00, Infinite Stratos, T&B, anohana
please help me to "easily think" because I hardly found any similarities of above titles genre with RKB >.>
but I do believe that RKB is in the same league with Manyuu Hikenchou, Maken Ki, Majikoi, and (probably) Highschool DxD in term of sales though

bakayarokonoyaro said:

Yup, Bakemono, Madoka, Infinite stratos, gundam and ano hana do have high sales, not sure about T&B, but you forgot to mention Oreno imouto, Boku wa tomodachi and K-on.
Madoka/Oreno imou, boku wa tomodachi, And Bakemono do share alot in common with RKB (harem elements with some moe), and those usually sell high.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Btw did you mention something about majikoi? dude majikoi was totall crap, that adaption was LAME. they friggin disgraced the eroge, did you know that Majikoi topped the Getchu Annual Sales ranking for the top ten best selling eroge of 2009, placing 1st overall? the anime adaption was crap yet it still sold. i don't get it man, that's why i said before that some animes on the list are not expected.

bakayarokonoyaro said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't

jmal said:

To simplify things, here's the list: http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showpost.php?p=1972211&postcount=14

Probably the first show on that list that qualifies as particularly heavy in ecchi/harem/fanservice material is Infinite Stratos at #15. Arguably Bakemonogatari too (and certainly Nisemonogatari when that comes out). But they still don't enter the realm of smash hits all that often.


Madoka is not similar at all to the rest. The others are... well, they appeal directly to otaku tastes, yes, but each in different ways. Haganai is also a few notches below the others in sales (it will end up 9-10k average, the others are much much much higher).


Majikoi is averaging 3,580 a disc right now. Nothing particularly good

Remember, just being on the rankings doesn't necessarily mean anything. Nearly every show makes it on the rankings at least once. Only a couple of the absolute lowest selling shows (usually kids' shows nobody expected to sell on BD) never make the rankings at all.

articuzwolf said:


so just because the premise of "harem" like bake and is you decided that RKB should sell more? (not gonna say anything bout haganai coz last time I checked it was in the 7-10k range)
and here I am wondering why Sacred Seven didn't sell well although Gundam Seed/00 sells very well even though they have the same premise "mecha"
ain't that simple mate

and Madoka = harem? you do know that we are on the site called myanimelist rite mate? so it wouldn't too hard to find genre for some series
and T&B was selling like a hot cakes though, even beat anohana in the process



Neither watch majikoi nor play it's game and uh nor that I care as well about some eroge sales.
but my friend for the 2nd time would like to say something about a show being lame, crap, disgrace and not to be expected on the list



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and like you whinning about why majikoi still sold, I was trying to explain to some ppl that surprised on the first few pages why RKB still sold as well
(no strong titles released, blablabla you can read my prev post)
did it make the RKB is a lame, crap show like you described majikoi? which I believe have quite similar sales (3-4k sales) as RKB as well.
coincidence?

jmal said:

Categorizing Madoka as "loli moe" greatly oversimplifies its appeal. It has cute girls who are somewhat young in it, yes, but Madoka became such a huge phenomenon (in sales, awards, critical acclaim, and impact on fandom's collective consciousness) for far more than that.

jmal said:

Categorizing Madoka as "loli moe" greatly oversimplifies its appeal. It has cute girls who are somewhat young in it, yes, but Madoka became such a huge phenomenon (in sales, awards, critical acclaim, and impact on fandom's collective consciousness) for far more than that.


I don't know a lot about Initial D other than that it was pretty damn popular back in the day, running for four seasons and a number of movies, and you still sometimes saw it parodied in pther shows even years later.

As for Love Hina, my understanding is that it was probably viewed as a a lot less "cliche" (not that cliche is inherently bad) back then than it would if it were to be aired now. A lot of shows have copied elements of Love Hina over the years. It's not the first harem anime by any stretch but it's definitely one of the major ones of the last two decades.

It also was an very popular manga, which doesn't guarantee good sales, but certainly can help, if the adaptation manages to please the fanbase.

jmal said:

"The moe" is a pretty vague concept.


Mahou shoujo shows for kids aren't written by Urobuchi Gen, animated by Shaft, and aired in a late night TV spot.

Everyone knew from the second Gen's name was leaked (way before airing) that this wasn't intended to be another Jewel Pets or LilPri, or even PreCure (which has pretty strong otaku support, just not of the disc-buying variety). So I don't think assuming fans, especially in Japan, approached Madoka as if it were a mahou shoujo anime for young girls really holds up.

Nobody knew quite how big a phenomenon it would become, certainly, but it was clear it was mahou shoujo for otaku. Just like how Nanoha (first season also animated by Shinbou Akiyuki in fact) ended up, for example, so there was precedent.

jmal said:

Yes. And the great music, unique visuals, stellar seiyuu performances, dramatic tension, and brilliant subversion of of genre conventions.

Look, I'm not going to pretend that fans aren't motivated by a cute character design (I know I sure am) or that everyone would articulate their positive opinion of Madoka in terms of artistic merit or visual uniqueness or subversion of expectations or whatever. It's not really important that people are conscious of those things when watching a show.

But in my opinion it did do those things. So combine cute characters with a heavily marketed creative dream team (which matters, even if western fans weren't as aware), and then have the show itself turn out to be something incredibly engaging and unique and masterfully executed, and that gets you a heck of a lot farther towards explaining 71k average sales than vague concepts like "the moe" can.

So in short, cute girls do not a 71k average seller make. There's way, way more to it than that, otherwise every show with cute girls would sell that much.

articuzwolf said:
I don't think the character in Madoka is cute and

IIRC, the sales and hype (of Madoka) started to explode snd skyrocket after episode 3 which little bit too extreme to be called "moe" unless you are a sick little psychopath

articuzwolf said:
I don't think the character in Madoka is cute and

IIRC, the sales and hype (of Madoka) started to explode snd skyrocket after episode 3 which little bit too extreme to be called "moe" unless you are a sick little psychopath

fertygo said:
you friggin' little ignorant.

u need to be completely blind if can't see the chara design is moe n designated for otaku.

And if anything that's the appeal of Madoka, make those "moe" element mixed in gruesome urobuchi story's.

bakayarokonoyaro said:

You're still here?
say what? the character in madoka is not cute?
Bro, something must be wrong with you.
Also stop calling other people sick little psychopaths when you're the one who's obssesed with arguing online about minor things, lighten up bro.