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yes, because hakuouki was so terrible because it has two seasons, sold like crazy, sold so many BDs and DVDs, made fangirls go wild, is getting two films and a new season, getting a new OVA! *sarcasm*

yes, hakuouki, made by Deen, sold so terribly, so very poorly, everyone hated it in japan. *sarcasm*

yes, its definitely 100% terrible cuz hakuouki was horrible and no one liked it. *sarcasm*

Buddie, if hakuouki was so terrible, it wouldn't have such a strong following among the girls. :) especially the japanese ones.

look, from your avvie I can see you don't like shoujo. I get it. But please stop bashing? We girls get only AT least 1 romance bishie anime per season. you want to take that away too? that's mean.



yes, cuz for you guys an anime without ecchi/harem/lollis has no meaning. :)

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STAY OUT if you don't like it!

When do you people get it:
Sales don't mean quality!
Japanese otakus (male & female apparently) have shit taste and quality shows don't sell most of the time.

And I personally love the Shoujo/Josei Genre, but as Harem Moeblob series are the trashcan of shounen/romance genres Bishis/reverse harem is the same for shoujo. I have no problem with people enjoying stuff like that, but please don't pretend it's quality stuff just because it sells. It's fanservice, that's all it is (that is also why it sells).

And it's not like good shoujo romances are that rare, other genres are way less present.

And why should anyone stay out of a thread that is for all the crunchyroll simulcasts? Who can know beforehand that only 1 uninteresting show has been announced so far with that thread title?

ok. ok. eliminate the japanese for now..I admit they have shitty taste...not all the time.
but please, hakuouki was NOT fanservice. Please don't insult hakouki like that....there WERE fights, there WERE gory moments. there was only one episode with shirtless guys. just cuz YOU don't like, don't bash it! there is a place for bashing anime/manga and that is the reviews section. bash all the way you want there. But PLEASE. Do you think its only the japs who enjoy hakuouki? why do you think that recently the game was brought to the US? Why do you think there are so many blogs and live journal posts about it? why do you think I'm defending it so much? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE IT!

Well, I'm sorry if I fangirl ranted but I'm sick of people bashing the anime/manga because they don't like the genre.

I used to bash ecchi before. then I realized I was doing wrong.Just cuz I don't like something I shouldn't just downright bash it.

Think, there COULD be harem/romance shoujo lovers who wanted to watch this anime. People who liked hakuouki! They'll feel hurt if you bash it like this.

japan is NOT the only place where hakuouki is popular. You YOURSELF said you don't like harem. then why do you, when you already know what to expect in harem, or THINK you'll expect, keep on bashing?

And again, I bring the point. Girls get perhaps 1 or 2 harem series per season. Boys get more. Check the Spring Lineup.

So, even if its trash, even if its stupid, something is better than nothing right? SOMETHING for the girls. and if the girls LIKE that something as we hakuouki fans do, we should be happy right?

so, why don't we stop bashing and be happy? :(

so basically, if you don't like the genre, don't watch it or waste your time on it.
girls need some kind of romance shoujo anime. don't take away what the only thing we have....1 or two spots.

I'll admit, there are better things to be adapted than hakuouki, better fantasy shoujo romances, but what can we do? japan is the one.
let's get along?

In the real world the only measure of "quality" that matters in entertainment is how much enjoyment someone derives from a given work. Everything else is just academic artistic debate, useful and even interesting in some contexts (generally if limited to very specific, measurable points) but utterly irrelevant in most cases to real people watching and talking about anime under normal circumstances.

The more cynical side of me is convinced that the "I won't tell you you're not allowed to like it but I will dictate what you're allowed to consider quality" approach exists only because openly telling someone what they're "allowed" to "like" is just way too blatantly douchey for most people. Talking about "quality" gives the impression of being more objective even though it's still doing much the same thing: deciding for other people which subjective (because they are subjective) standards of worth they're "allowed" to apply to a piece of fictional entertainment.

I say again, I still don't get the appeal. Why is it so important to impose ideas of quality on someone else? There's always someone else out there who is equally utterly convinced that "their personal objective view" (oxymoron much) is totally right and you're wrong, that they know quality and you don't. And you can dismiss it by considering them an idiot, and they'll do the same back and... well that was productive.

This is entertainment, not religion, can't we loosen up a bit more?

@jmal: Entertainment is the religion of the 21st Century ;)

And I don't see a problem with differentiating between enjoyment and quality of a series. For me every medium (books, comics, films, animes) is Art and that judges the quality of a show.
Enjoyment is another aspect that of course is intertwined in practice, but I can still differentiate between them without judging one aspect more important. Often good movies/animes/books take a lot of effort to watch, because they force you actively think about what's going on instead of just providing passive entertainment. Though I love my passive entertainment too, I can and will never consent that Entertainment/Success = quality. And yes quality is more objective than enjoyment, that's why I can say some series were probably good even though I hated them and the other way round. No Big Deal.

If people feel under attack or pressured when I say something is not of good quality, but still enjoyable, it's not me that does the judging but they themselves. Instead of being honest about it and admitting that some shows are watched of pure, passive enjoyment THEY can't get over the idea that what they enjoy must be considered "good", but I don't see the necessity of that connection, not for me and not for others.

As for your "productive" example at the end, experience tells me that with people of similar intellect who also like to discuss and analyze stuff you can almost always find a common denominator even for shows that you both have rated very differently. For example I'd understand people who drop One Piece though I give it a fanboy 10/10. I'd still heavily debate it with them because I'm a fanboy and it's fun, but I'd kinda understand. Also liking LOGH is a good criteria, as someone who disliked it obviously has other preferences than substance and depth in a series and therefore I don't even need to try to find a common denominator with him.
It's not like I'm the only person thinking like that. You need to postulate the quality side of the coin, because if you only left the entertainment side there would be nothing to discuss about at all - a horrible thought.
That's why I wonder why people who don't want to discuss about an "objective side" keep complaining that I/we do in fact enjoy exactly that. I personally find the LOGH criteria to work well in weeding out those people who are not interested in a discussion that involves more than saying "I enjoyed it for no reason I can explain but you can't argue about that because taste is all subjective" (well that was a fun dialogue). But of course that criteria is subjective again, but as long as it works for me I don't care.

Bottomline: If I start arguing about something and start a discussion it is a call to those who also believe there is something to debate about and not to those peace and harmony loving creatures that find conflict and debate not interesting and challenging, but needless and annoying. Because obviously you and me have different presuppositions about the very basics of debate (is their objectivity aka something to discuss inter-subjectively or not?). For me this is a needless debate, because you're actually arguing that nothing can be argued, which is silly.

@the fangirl above: First of all I repeat that there are a lot of great shoujo romances out there, it's not like I have anything against the genre. I have something against harems of all kind, but that's only a small part of the shoujo genre.

That aside the mere act of dividing shows strictly into "for boys or for girls" is absolutely against my values. It's not like you have to limit yourself to stuff with a shoujo lable (though I admit the best romances are labeled shoujo).

In any case I understand you'd like to love in a fluffy world with no conflict or uncomfortable opinions, and that is sweet and all, but I like to debate and when I'm in the mood I'll just use the first topic where I want to say something, be it negative or positive (though in a debate one is always "negative" towards one of the sides, by definition). I have no obligation to be happy about shows airing that don't interest me in the least, I'd say it's rather natural that I, if possible, would rather see a series that appeals to me taking its place (Not that I ever said that - I simply tried to explain why I'm 99% sure this show will neither be very good not will it entertain me personally. If you take things like that personally the internet will chew you hard and spit you out in no time. Consider that a tip from me. Either debate just for the fun of it as I do, no emotions involved, or leave it be. Getting emotional over internet arguments is not very healthy. I may have been a bit mean, but that's only because your postings were so gullible and I wanted to prepare you for the internet *gg*

I am not objecting to that. I have no problem with identifying that shows you like do some things poorly, or shows you like do some things well. For example, Hyakko's got the technical production values of a bucket of cow shit, but I still thought it was pretty good on the whole because it excelled in other areas.

I'm objecting to using such opinion as an inviolable basis of discussion that the other party needs to accept before their opinion is even considered valid. I also think talking about "quality" is more productive if people specify what elements they think are or are not quality, and how they're choosing to measure it. All too often it's just "That show sucks, it's not quality". Man, what does that even mean? What did you focus on and what did you expect from it? That's actually a more complex question than it sounds.


Wow, are there really no possible reasons at all to dislike LOGH besides "doesn't appreciate depth and substance"? Nothing? What about hating the characters? Not being interested in sci-fi? Finding the content objectionable? Disliking the animation style or acting or music or anything else? Not enjoying long shows? The same reasons anyone can like or dislike any show.

You're making a a breathtakingly sweeping generalization, and I think it's an illustration of why trying to be too objective twists people up in knots. One 15-25 year old sci-fi anime is not sufficient to make fundamental decisions about the personality and mindset of every anime fan. Haven't you ever known someone with whom you agree on many, many series but disagree strongly on one? Two very similar people can honestly disagree on a given show, even while applying roughly the same criteria.

I don't tell people who dislike Clannad or Usagi Drop that they're incapable of feeling love and emotion, or people who dislike Baccano or Durarara!! that they can't process multiple intertwined narratives, or people who dislike Madoka Magica that they're unable to accept upended genre conventions. You can't measure that sort of thing with one or even a few shows. Being an anime fan is so much more nuanced than that.


Not at all. But argue it understanding that your opinion is only that, not divine truth. That can only help, not hinder, debate, because then you'll be at open to others' ideas and see why they feel that way, even if they don't agree. Figuring out why people evaluate the quality of shows differently - because everyone does - is a lot more interesting to me than trying to convince them they're wrong, which never works anyway. Internet debates, like real debates, almost always end with an agreement to disagree at best.

It's only when two people profoundly sure of the infallibility of their own "objective conclusions" (coughopinionscough) butt heads that things become totally hopeless.

tl;dr dictating to other people what quality is invariably generates much more heat than light.

Not to break up the amazing discussion, but as far as the topic goes, Nyarko-san has been added.

Wonder if we'll see any more announced before late March. There can't be too many more shows that either start really early (Hiiro) or have sequels to cram in before they do start (this one).

eh don't worry. been in lot of manga arguments before. no biggie. :) but thanks for your concern. I guess your views and mine don't mix. still, I feel if you don't like the genre, don't comment on it or watch it since you know you won't like it.

Oh dear god why drag fucking H.P. Lovercraft into this shit?
If I was just debating for the sake of it before, now I'm getting pissed.
Putting H.P. Lovecrafts name on a moe feast like that is a crime.

I'll just pretend I never read this (it helps that it's not in the DB) and read some Lovercraft. Though I fear it may never be as creepy again if I have to think of "Nyarko" when I read his stories...

It is in the database.

Do you have any idea how many times Lovecraft's (especially Cthulhu-related) stuff has been parodied and reworked and referenced across all genres and cultures and degrees of seriousness? Countless. Heck this is the third "season" of Nyaruko alone. Not to mention the infinite variations of Dracula and Frankenstein and other "horror" stories that have seen the light of day.

This is like... the most normal and expected thing in the world. Anime can come up with way way weirder things than this.

http://myanimelist.net/character/31418/Nyarlko

My Little Cthulu Can't Be This Cute

Update March 16th

Crunchyroll has added:
Ozuma (Ozma) - Saturdays at 8AM starting March 17. Available worldwide except for Asia.

Source: CR

Space Bros added. Not exactly a surprise, right?

Yeah, I pretty much expected that one. Its too bad its 4 hours after airing instead of right away like Beelzebub, but oh well. Its still same day.

Folktales From Japan added.

Source.

wasn't expecting that...

10 more ? spots on the spring lineup page

If they announce shows at this rate, there's probably gonna be more than that.