| I mean this as a legit question, i cant tell if they are trying to make him the villain since hes done worse stuff than any of the actual villains have, hell he has caused most of the villains actions in the first place, but i have some feeling that keeps popping up whenever i read this that the intention was to make us sympathize with him for god knows whatever reason I'm honestly pretty baffled over this, like i want to hate him as a villain.....well i do but i want to hate him as a official villain, but im not sure if im supposed to |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle. For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for. |
StorySpinner said: For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for. There is a reason. I want to know how it'll end, who'll survive, will Yuuki become a better at handling things, will she start to think with her own head? And after all, what Zero will do? He's an awesome character, i want to see what kind of ending will writer bring to him. I hope it'll be something that fans will be satisfied with. |
| Obviously his fans won't I do since the beginning! Due to the incest love to Yukki or Yuki whatever yous call her. I started not liking him since the day he turned Yuki into a vampire.Especially when he said to Zero that he won't betray her, meaning he will somehow come on Zero. But then Kaname is possed no??? |
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StorySpinner said: Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle. For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for. This, this, this, this, this x 10 |
 What "Adolescence" do you have? Do you remember "Childhood"? The irreplaceable one existed there. |
| I've been liking Zero more than Kaname since the beginning, and even worse about Kaname when this thing begins. |
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| I don't believe it was the author's intention for us to like Kaname. This story is really about Yuuki and Zero. Kaname is just a road block that's interfering with them finding there way back to each other. |
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Amutofan123 said: StorySpinner said: Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle. For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for. This, this, this, this, this x 10 This. I personally don't see the charm in Kaname. His character (at first) is too perfect to be true, and I don't like perfect characters. It gives little room for character development. In the second half, I don't see any change in Kaname. He's still the same as he was before. Except now he's more manipulative and, um, having more trouble with his communication skill |
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| I don't see how one could like Kaname. Even if someone hasn't read all that deeply into the manga, and only watched several episodes of the anime, I don't see how they could pick up on some of his less-than-attractive personality traits, and still love him. He gorgeous, and that's pretty much it. |
ItamiMay 24, 2012 11:01 AM
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| I like Kaname because I prefer the kind and cute guy over the violent bad guy with past that is supposed to make me feel bad for him. Besides, Kaname has a mystery to him (his goals, dreams, thoughts etc.) and that's something I find very interesting about characters. Zero, on the other hand, has nothing besides his looks to be appealing to me. He's your typical bad guy with "ugly" past. But when you think about it, he's just a closed minded freak that keeps feeling sorry for himself and expects everyone to help him while he treats them like trash (especially Yuuki and Kaien). This topic is very subjective since this is only about everyone's preference in characters. Zero is more popular, since his archetype is more popular with the targeted audience (aka teen girls) but in the end he is nothing but the said archetype. Kaname has darkness to him, mystery, he's cunning and a sort of mastermind, traits usually found in villains. Yet, he's not your typical villain since it's more than obvious that he has very deep feelings for Yuuki and has some hidden agenda. We see into Zero, we know everything about him even though he's more of a side character than Kaname (especially lately). However, we know so little about Kaname even though he had so much screen time. He's too complex to be summed up with one arc or one flashback. I understand that nearly no one shares my opinion, though. Zero is made to be liked imo. |
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Villetta_Nu said: god i hope so, cause hes legitimately evil, i dont think some of his fans realize that he gets hate not because of just his personality but the fact that hes literally the cause for all this and hes making things worse, and hes completely aware of what hes doing to othersI don't believe it was the author's intention for us to like Kaname. This story is really about Yuuki and Zero. Kaname is just a road block that's interfering with them finding there way back to each other. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
HikaruIzumi said: Yet, he's not your typical villain since it's more than obvious that he has very deep feelings for Yuuki and has some hidden agenda. Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then? As for Kaname's background, a whole book was dedicated to his past, so I don't see how little is known about him. The only thing that needs to be revealed is his goal, which I agree to be complex and seems to be lengthy |
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anaaga said: Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then? Hidden agenda as in he wants to achieve something different than lets others know. Rido didn't have much of a hidden agenda. He was going directly after what he wanted. Kaname, on the other hand, is completely different. No one, not Yuuki, not even us know what he's TRULY after. And about those feelings, Rido's were possesive. He wanted Juuri (and later Yuuki) for himself while Kaname got hit just to protect her. Kaname's felings are deep and selfless. From what we saw it's safe to assume that he's pushing her away simply so that she won't get hurt. Yeah, I DO think that makes him a special "villain". |
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HikaruIzumi said: he could be using her for something, and he needs her alive to accomplish whatever this is, i wouldnt be surprisedanaaga said: Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then? Hidden agenda as in he wants to achieve something different than lets others know. Rido didn't have much of a hidden agenda. He was going directly after what he wanted. Kaname, on the other hand, is completely different. No one, not Yuuki, not even us know what he's TRULY after. And about those feelings, Rido's were possesive. He wanted Juuri (and later Yuuki) for himself while Kaname got hit just to protect her. Kaname's felings are deep and selfless. From what we saw it's safe to assume that he's pushing her away simply so that she won't get hurt. Yeah, I DO think that makes him a special "villain". |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I don't know if he's supposed to be liked, but I never did. Ever since the beginning. Don't really know why I hated him from the get-go. Just something about him... Thank goodness Zero showed up or else I'd have stopped reading it immediately. |
Arurie said: i wouldnt say i hated him from the get go but by the 2nd seaspm i despised himI don't know if he's supposed to be liked, but I never did. Ever since the beginning. Don't really know why I hated him from the get-go. Just something about him... Thank goodness Zero showed up or else I'd have stopped reading it immediately. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Im probably going to be the only one here but yes I still like Kaname =] Im guessing everyone is suppose to like Kaname so when we get to this point of Kaname being evil and all het yummiest is suppose to make us sad and wish for him to stop the stupid idea of hat hooded lady's plan... which I did read somewhere that someone has picked up that the hooded lady and Zero look alike. But I will forever be a Kaname fan, no matter what stupid/annoying thing he will do... haha |
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| Maybe not like, but I guess he should be sympathized. |
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EfiChan said: doing a shit job at itMaybe not like, but I guess he should be sympathized. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Arurie said: THIS THIS THIS I THOUSAND TIMES THIS.I don't know if he's supposed to be liked, but I never did. Ever since the beginning. Don't really know why I hated him from the get-go. Just something about him... Thank goodness Zero showed up or else I'd have stopped reading it immediately. |
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| this is just my opinion but i dont see any reason to hate or despise kaname sure he did a lot of bad things but at least he helped yuki from suffering with all those bad memories and i dont get how ppl likes zero better, i mean hes no different from kaname, he just as violent as kaname is. |
sakurafanluvJun 29, 2012 11:04 PM
| No matter what any Kaname fan says about "angsty violent Zero" there are two things you absolutely can't deny-- Zero is in his position and the way he is because Kaname wanted it that way and Kaname is hundreds (thousands?) Of years older than Zero, yet he doesn't seem to have spent the time growing up or moving on whereas Zero who has had what, a couple of years or so, still gets grief? I personally tried to like Kaname but something always seemed off. The more I saw of him the less I liked him. Now I can't see him as a love interest, I really can't. If Yuuki goes for him after all the deaths and misery he caused (did someone seriously say he did this selflessly because if he did he has a very twisted sense of what Yuuki wants. Not that he'd listen to that.) If she stays there is no hope for her character's redemption for me. |
SpiritedSarahSep 20, 2014 8:34 AM
| Lol, Hino's not making us like Kaname. She probably wants us to make our own interpretations. I think that he is the biggest asshole in anime character history besides Light Yagami. That's just my opinion though. |
| Co-sign, usagituskino321 on your point about Zero's more selfless form of love for Yuuki. Kaname's love is a lot more self-centred and possessive - he regards Yuuki as his and gets jealous quite easily. While Zero was prepared to let Yuuki choose K over him and left it like that for a long time. I found that very admirable, because he never really stopped loving her. Personally I can't let Kaname's good points (which shine through even now) slide, so I don't think I'd ever regard him as a villain per se. I understand the gravity of his sins and why others might think so but he's a morally ambiguous character still for me. usagituskino321 said: He has definitely chosen his promise to that woman over Yuuki. But, he selfishly wants both. He wants to fulfill his plans and have Yuuki in the end even if it means the death of the two of them together. I think he wants to be the new parent and have Isaya turn Yuuki human. Or vice versa. So it's not really both of them dying together. He wants Yuuki's happiness. |
HikaruIzumi said: I like Kaname because I prefer the kind and cute guy over the violent bad guy with past that is supposed to make me feel bad for him. Besides, Kaname has a mystery to him (his goals, dreams, thoughts etc.) and that's something I find very interesting about characters. Zero, on the other hand, has nothing besides his looks to be appealing to me. He's your typical bad guy with "ugly" past. But when you think about it, he's just a closed minded freak that keeps feeling sorry for himself and expects everyone to help him while he treats them like trash (especially Yuuki and Kaien). I don't see how Kaname is cute or kind... he freakin kills everyone for his own"dreams" and "goals". Yeah,okay he used to be a "mystery" until we found out everything about him which would/should happen anyway. Zero,on the other hand, as you say,doesn't just have his "looks" and his past is not ugly, it's traumatic. Zero is the one being kind because even if his attitude is "rude" he will always help others and the people that love him know that as well.But Kaname doesn't seem to be caring about anyone but himself. Is THAT kind? And you know, this "ugly" past is your Kaname's fault in ANY possible WAY!But even so, if you believe that it's ugly, I guess that it just makes Kaname ugly,heh. Kaname is a freakin' FAIL villain, not a nice villain. |
 My happiness is his unhappiness, and his happiness is my unhappiness. -- Sankarea |
Narutowolf77 said: I could go on but I've already given you part of the core of an essay that I'm writing that explains how Kaname is more of an anti-hero (like Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass) than a villain. This. This. Kaname is totally the kind of "I'm going to use evil to fight evil" character. He sees his means as the only effective way to end a system that continuously result in tragedies. Basically Lelouch without the drama AND is bad/cryptic at expressing themselves. Hino's style of scripting that leaves much up to interpretation instead of flat out explaining things doesn't help. I personally find Kaname really sad. He planned out the entire thing from before the story even started with the intention of screwing up everyone's lives and very likely leaving him with no allies by the end. This also makes him a remarkably composed character who actually applies long-term thinking and logic (rationality depending on your point of view) to his decisions instead of Zero who spends half his time running on pure impulse. |
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deathxempress said: Kaname Kuran; Member Favorites: 3297. ..Yet. Kiryuu Zero, Member Favorites: 6103 |
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LittleStar said: deathxempress said: Kaname Kuran; Member Favorites: 3297. ..Yet. Kiryuu Zero, Member Favorites: 6103 |
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| Well to me he's the only character that is still even remotely interesting. I liked Yuuki at first but quickly turned indifferent then disliked her.I don't dislike Zero but I have no reason to like him either,he doesn't interest me and I wouldn't like a character out of pity (which is the only thing I ever felt for him,though not often). |
S-ER said: Well to me he's the only character that is still even remotely interesting. I liked Yuuki at first but quickly turned indifferent then disliked her.I don't dislike Zero but I have no reason to like him either,he doesn't interest me and I wouldn't like a character out of pity (which is the only thing I ever felt for him,though not often). my thoughts exactly...Kaname is an interesting character for me.. |
| hmm, I honestly don't like Kaname.. Even if you ask me why, I can't answer it.. somethin' feels off about him.. I tried to understand his situation and that he does things for Yuuki's sake but :| I just can't bring myself to like him.. as for who ends up with who, I don't want Yuuki to end up with Zero.. Yuuki will never be a reward for Zero.. I don't mind Yuuki ending up w/ Kaname though XD |
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| To be completely honest, I only started reading this manga because of Kaname, so yes, I might be a little biased. I guess I never really saw him as a villain and I've reread the series countless times. In my opinion, his actions were twisted and very cruel at times (especially towards Zero) but if you look at the meaning of his actions, wasn't he only doing it for Yuki, his 'dear girl'? If you look at it that way, it kind of softens the blow of his cruelties and almost makes him admirable (kind of, sort of?). I mean, he basically dedicates his life to making her life the best it can be, and also, in the very end of the series, it's stated that Kaname is on the side of the humans, I mean, he's trying to save them! I always viewed him as a good guy . . . |
magnificentmomoJul 13, 2013 8:36 AM
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| I guess we were supposed to like Kaname since in the end he turned out to do all of the for the sake of Yuki and the Human race. Some of his decisions were questionable, and he surely wasn't a 2-dimensional character, which is why IMO he fits perfectly as the king. Honestly I read VK because of Kaname. I found him interesting to say the least, though I didn't really care much for the others...except Aidou -- he's adorable. |
| I never really find any reasons to like him. Something undeniable and I can agree that he's gorgeous but that's all to that. There's just something about him that I really can't help but hate. From the very beginning, I've already love Zero and that will be for forever. |
| I liked him for a very simple reason: Yuki liked him. He was the person she was crushing on and I was invested in her struggles. I wanted her to succeed in her quest to win him over because I liked Yuki... in the beginning. Zero was... forced... more of a friend and.... a down right asshole. I never liked him, but I grew to understand him. He always felt like the pity choice to me, and the ending felt like a pity option. It felt like Yuki could not be with Kaname because he was "dead" so she settled for Zero. The worst possible way to end a manga, not giving Zero Yuki's heart because he'd earned it, but because he was the only option available. Imo the author should have gone full out evil with Kaname and made him a villain in the second half, made Yuki and Zero legitimately fall in love and remorsefully take down Kaname together, which would have wrapped up the story neatly and made a heck of a lot more sense. At that point in the story, I had lost interest in Kaname/Yuki because.. well, Kaname loved the other girls more than Yuki, and Yuki had started falling for Zero.. only to do a 360 and sleep with Kaname... Yeah, Yuki was a bitch by the end... No sympathy for that girl. I think Zero deserved better tbh. |
kamuinoyume said: I liked him for a very simple reason: Yuki liked him. He was the person she was crushing on and I was invested in her struggles. I wanted her to succeed in her quest to win him over because I liked Yuki... in the beginning. Zero was... forced... more of a friend and.... a down right asshole. I never liked him, but I grew to understand him. He always felt like the pity choice to me, and the ending felt like a pity option. It felt like Yuki could not be with Kaname because he was "dead" so she settled for Zero. The worst possible way to end a manga, not giving Zero Yuki's heart because he'd earned it, but because he was the only option available. Imo the author should have gone full out evil with Kaname and made him a villain in the second half, made Yuki and Zero legitimately fall in love and remorsefully take down Kaname together, which would have wrapped up the story neatly and made a heck of a lot more sense. At that point in the story, I had lost interest in Kaname/Yuki because.. well, Kaname loved the other girls more than Yuki, and Yuki had started falling for Zero.. only to do a 360 and sleep with Kaname... Yeah, Yuki was a bitch by the end... No sympathy for that girl. I think Zero deserved better tbh. We have the same sentiments when I found out what will happen in the last volume. I haven't finished this because the truth is, it's a struggle to accept this small facts about Yuki and Kaname and it actually made me more angry at them. I really felt like Zero was her last option because Kaname is gone and she doesn't want to be alone. She's such a bitch by doing that knowing that Zero loves her with all his being and she's making good use of that love. Which time and time I'll keep on repeating Zero doesn't need Yuki's half-assed love. He deserves better than that. I just wish Matsuri-sensei have ended the manga in a better way. And as I read the manga now, I'm at the part where Yuki found out about Kaname's history. It looks like the hooded woman was the woman Kaname truly loves. Kaname is pitiful at time but I just can't find that something that will make me really pity him. He has someone with him but with Zero he's suffering alone. My poor baby Zero. 😢😭 |
| I Apologize in advance for any spelling mistakes ;3 Honestly... I'm really sad when I see how many people doesn't see a true Kaname's nature. I love him. Not just becouse he’s handsome or anything like this. He is interesting and he have a strong and complicated personality. Against a lot of negative opinions, he's a good person. But on the past he really suffered. So much more than Zero. But the author didn't accentuate a lot of very important facts from the Kaname's life. She creatived around Yuuki and Zero the "image of saint", around Kaname "image of evil". I have pretty pretension to her for that :/ It's shows clearly that he did a lot of good things. He care about Yuuki, sacrifice all his life to protect her, even at the expense of his happiness, public opinion and health. That's right, his heatlh was also violated becouse in fact he is a vampire who need to drink blood if he want to survive, especially if he will drink the blood of the person he love. But he can't do it from a clear reasons. In addition, he looks how his beloved is sucked by someone else. It had to be a nightmare. But it's only the "top of the iceberg". Think about it… He was good for Yuuki, but becouse of his panic fear of losing a close person and the fact that around of her "vultures circled" in the another pureblood vampire form, he had a huge obsession about protecting her. And he has never been brutal for Yuuki, so she could to say "no" anytime when she wanted. So in this topic he wasn't a bad partner but she didn't know what she want. I don't like her becouse of that. She hurted both of guys, Kaname and Zero. Finally Zero for example was a good guy but Of course he loves her and that hate was a "smokenscreen" but come on, Zero, let's fight of her, instead of setting and do nothing. That's kind of girl which doesn't know what she want so if u wonna her u have to do sth xD (read higher). Kaname fighted of the Yuuki's save, a better world, even though everyone will hates him. And, what is funny, he wanted to everyone will hate him, especially a close persons, in order to stay away from him and be save. The great example – Why is this funny? Becouse you hate him – Just as Kaname planned! XD So that's why I love him and admire his sacrifise, intellect and determination. |
Iris225 said: I Apologize in advance for any spelling mistakes ;3 Honestly... I'm really sad when I see how many people doesn't see a true Kaname's nature. I love him. Not just becouse he’s handsome or anything like this. He is interesting and he have a strong and complicated personality. Against a lot of negative opinions, he's a good person. But on the past he really suffered. So much more than Zero. But the author didn't accentuate a lot of very important facts from the Kaname's life. She creatived around Yuuki and Zero the "image of saint", around Kaname "image of evil". I have pretty pretension to her for that :/ It's shows clearly that he did a lot of good things. He care about Yuuki, sacrifice all his life to protect her, even at the expense of his happiness, public opinion and health. That's right, his heatlh was also violated becouse in fact he is a vampire who need to drink blood if he want to survive, especially if he will drink the blood of the person he love. But he can't do it from a clear reasons. In addition, he looks how his beloved is sucked by someone else. It had to be a nightmare. But it's only the "top of the iceberg". Think about it… He was good for Yuuki, but becouse of his panic fear of losing a close person and the fact that around of her "vultures circled" in the another pureblood vampire form, he had a huge obsession about protecting her. And he has never been brutal for Yuuki, so she could to say "no" anytime when she wanted. So in this topic he wasn't a bad partner but she didn't know what she want. I don't like her becouse of that. She hurted both of guys, Kaname and Zero. Finally Zero for example was a good guy but Of course he loves her and that hate was a "smokenscreen" but come on, Zero, let's fight of her, instead of setting and do nothing. That's kind of girl which doesn't know what she want so if u wonna her u have to do sth xD (read higher). Kaname fighted of the Yuuki's save, a better world, even though everyone will hates him. And, what is funny, he wanted to everyone will hate him, especially a close persons, in order to stay away from him and be save. The great example – Why is this funny? Becouse you hate him – Just as Kaname planned! XD So that's why I love him and admire his sacrifise, intellect and determination. ^ Someone gets it. Honestly it's Zero I can't stand. And it's even more painful because he's the more popular one, so I have to constantly deal with this Zero fangirls. But to be honest I would be fine with Zero as long as Zero x Yuuki was never pushed. I don't want them together. It was always supposed to be Kaname x Yuuki Kaname-sama T-T |
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