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this is just my opinion
but i dont see any reason to hate or despise kaname sure he did a lot of bad things but at least he helped yuki from suffering with all those bad memories and i dont get how ppl likes zero better, i mean hes no different from kaname,
he just as violent as kaname is.

No matter what any Kaname fan says about "angsty violent Zero" there are two things you absolutely can't deny-- Zero is in his position and the way he is because Kaname wanted it that way and Kaname is hundreds (thousands?) Of years older than Zero, yet he doesn't seem to have spent the time growing up or moving on whereas Zero who has had what, a couple of years or so, still gets grief?

I personally tried to like Kaname but something always seemed off. The more I saw of him the less I liked him. Now I can't see him as a love interest, I really can't. If Yuuki goes for him after all the deaths and misery he caused (did someone seriously say he did this selflessly because if he dis he has a very twisted sense of what Yuuki wants. Not that he'd listen to that.) There is no hope for her character's redemption for me.

Lol, Hino's not making us like Kaname. She probably wants us to make our own interpretations. I think that he is the biggest asshole in anime character history besides Light Yagami. That's just my opinion though.

I actually think that Kaname has a lot of depth and the way the story has played out and his character's progression is very interesting to me. A little off topic, but in terms of loving Yuuki; I feel like Kaname has a very selfish love for her. Whereas Zero has a very selfless love for her and, in my opinion, and shown that his feelings are so much stronger and pure.

The manga has shown me all the reasoning behind Kaname's actions and so I have a good understanding of what is going on and why he is doing what he is doing. In regards to liking him, I have to say that I'm rather neutral. I don't hate him like many others. I find him interesting, but I don't think that he fits into the "good guy" or "good love candidate" category. I don't even think, at this point, that his character can ever go back to being someone who isn't a villain.

Because he definitely is and I don't see him having a happy ending. At this point, I think the only ending he will see is death and I think the message he has sent to Yuuki is clear: She has to kill him to stop him because he won't stop his plans any other way.

He has definitely chosen his promise to that woman over Yuuki. But, he selfishly wants both. He wants to fulfill his plans and have Yuuki in the end even if it means the death of the two of them together.

Co-sign, usagituskino321 on your point about Zero's more selfless form of love for Yuuki. Kaname's love is a lot more self-centred and possessive - he regards Yuuki as his and gets jealous quite easily. While Zero was prepared to let Yuuki choose K over him and left it like that for a long time. I found that very admirable, because he never really stopped loving her.

Personally I can't let Kaname's good points (which shine through even now) slide, so I don't think I'd ever regard him as a villain per se. I understand the gravity of his sins and why others might think so but he's a morally ambiguous character still for me.



I think he wants to be the new parent and have Isaya turn Yuuki human. Or vice versa. So it's not really both of them dying together. He wants Yuuki's happiness.

I don't see how Kaname is cute or kind... he freakin kills everyone for his own"dreams" and "goals". Yeah,okay he used to be a "mystery" until we found out everything about him which would/should happen anyway.
Zero,on the other hand, as you say,doesn't just have his "looks" and his past is not ugly, it's traumatic. Zero is the one being kind because even if his attitude is "rude" he will always help others and the people that love him know that as well.But Kaname doesn't seem to be caring about anyone but himself. Is THAT kind? And you know, this "ugly" past is your Kaname's fault in ANY possible WAY!But even so, if you believe that it's ugly, I guess that it just makes Kaname ugly,heh.
Kaname is a freakin' FAIL villain, not a nice villain.

I feel the exact same way about Zero that you do about Kaname but that's also just my opinion, I've just always found it easier for me to sympathize with Kaname then Zero because I see a lot of traits that I have in Kaname, whereas I'm not like Zero AT ALL and thus find it hard to sympathize with him.



But didn't Kaname also let Yuuki go? That was why he gave her the Artemis. I don't know I've never viewed Kaname as self-centered, possessive maybe but for me that's explained by his past where he lost the HW (didn't he say in one chapter that one of the reasons he's so protective of her is because he doesn't want her sacrificing herself for a pointless cause) in the same way that the cold way Zero treated Yuuki at times (he's gotten better lately o.o) can be explained by his past experiences with vampires. For me I always interpreted Kaname as selfless (especially after chapter 88 when (spoiler tagged in case people haven't read it yet XD):



The very fact that he's willing to sacrifice himself for other people makes him appear selfless in my eyes even if the way he's doing it isn't the best way to go about it.



Okay I really REALLY disagree with you here, Kaname does care about other people and what he's doing isn't necessarily HIS dreams and goals what he's doing and done has always been for the sake of someone else (Yuuki; HW) AND he does care about others as well why else would he tell Yuuki to take care of Ruka, or show such sad faces when Yuuki appears before him, or stroke Yuuki's cheek when he's fighting her, or protect her from an anti-vampire weapon. Even when he told Ruka that they were through it was more of a kindness to both her and Cain because he was severing her attachment to him, in other words freeing her. Also you don't seem to understand Kaname's past if you can say it was his fault: The woman he loved sacrificed herself, his "parents" sacrificed himself, his deepest fear is that Yuuki (who he loves more than anything as he stated before) will sacrifice herself. He's been killing people since the day he was resurrected by first taking the life of Yuuki's real brother (by no fault of his) and has willingly tainted himself in blood simply so he can protect Yuuki, even Yuuki asked "What horrible things did you have to endure all alone for so long to make you feel this way..." after he poured his heart out to her about how tainted he was.

I could go on but I've already given you part of the core of an essay that I'm writing that explains how Kaname is more of an anti-hero (like Lelouch Lamperouge from Code Geass) than a villain.

This. This.

Kaname is totally the kind of "I'm going to use evil to fight evil" character. He sees his means as the only effective way to end a system that continuously result in tragedies. Basically Lelouch without the drama AND is bad/cryptic at expressing themselves. Hino's style of scripting that leaves much up to interpretation instead of flat out explaining things doesn't help.

I personally find Kaname really sad. He planned out the entire thing from before the story even started with the intention of screwing up everyone's lives and very likely leaving him with no allies by the end. This also makes him a remarkably composed character who actually applies long-term thinking and logic (rationality depending on your point of view) to his decisions instead of Zero who spends half his time running on pure impulse.

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..Yet.

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I thought he was cool in the beginning. But then he started pulling all of that trollish crap that suddenly had good intentions (which I think they decided at the last minute). He doesn't look intimidating, but out of anyone in the series, he should probably be feared the most and perhaps even sympathized.

He's eerily calm, manipulative, smart, charming, powerful (almost too powerful), kind, aside from Zero and disregarding Ruka's crush, you gotta admit, he hasn't done anything too hateful to any of the main characters. He's protective of Yuuki, maybe a bit to a possessive level. He's got crazy determination. He's stubborn and true to himself and won't let others influence his choices and opinions.

But if you think about his backstory, he's got one hell of a history. Yuuki is quite literally ALL HE HAS and she is all he lives for. If it weren't for Yuuki and him being immortal he'd surely off himself.