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02-24-12, 4:52 PM

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I mean this as a legit question, i cant tell if they are trying to make him the villain since hes done worse stuff than any of the actual villains have, hell he has caused most of the villains actions in the first place, but i have some feeling that keeps popping up whenever i read this that the intention was to make us sympathize with him for god knows whatever reason

I'm honestly pretty baffled over this, like i want to hate him as a villain.....well i do but i want to hate him as a official villain, but im not sure if im supposed to
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04-30-12, 8:40 AM

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Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle.

For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for.
 
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05-02-12, 10:30 AM

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StorySpinner said:

For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for.


There is a reason. I want to know how it'll end, who'll survive, will Yuuki become a better at handling things, will she start to think with her own head? And after all, what Zero will do? He's an awesome character, i want to see what kind of ending will writer bring to him. I hope it'll be something that fans will be satisfied with.
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05-03-12, 12:23 PM

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Obviously his fans won't I do since the beginning!
Due to the incest love to Yukki or Yuki whatever yous call her.
I started not liking him since the day he turned Yuki into a vampire.Especially when he said to Zero that he won't betray her, meaning he will somehow come on Zero.

But then Kaname is possed no???
 
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05-12-12, 8:12 PM

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StorySpinner said:
Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle.

For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for.


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05-16-12, 12:44 AM

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I've been liking Zero more than Kaname since the beginning, and even worse about Kaname when this thing begins.
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05-24-12, 5:14 AM

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I don't believe it was the author's intention for us to like Kaname. This story is really about Yuuki and Zero. Kaname is just a road block that's interfering with them finding there way back to each other.
 
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05-24-12, 6:39 AM

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Amutofan123 said:
StorySpinner said:
Honestly, I despise Kaname. I tolerated him in the beginning, but after Yuki loses everything that made her a great character and follows him around like a lost puppy, I really just got fed up with the whole thing. He's one dimensional and manipulative and cruel. He should not even be a factor in this love triangle.

For people who continued on after volume 9-ish, is there any reason to continue reading. Because the depressing adventures of Kaname and his Yuki-drone are not what I signed up for.


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This.

I personally don't see the charm in Kaname. His character (at first) is too perfect to be true, and I don't like perfect characters. It gives little room for character development. In the second half, I don't see any change in Kaname. He's still the same as he was before. Except now he's more manipulative and, um, having more trouble with his communication skill
 
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05-24-12, 10:57 AM

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I don't see how one could like Kaname. Even if someone hasn't read all that deeply into the manga, and only watched several episodes of the anime, I don't see how they could pick up on some of his less-than-attractive personality traits, and still love him.

He gorgeous, and that's pretty much it.

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05-24-12, 2:11 PM

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I like Kaname because I prefer the kind and cute guy over the violent bad guy with past that is supposed to make me feel bad for him. Besides, Kaname has a mystery to him (his goals, dreams, thoughts etc.) and that's something I find very interesting about characters. Zero, on the other hand, has nothing besides his looks to be appealing to me. He's your typical bad guy with "ugly" past. But when you think about it, he's just a closed minded freak that keeps feeling sorry for himself and expects everyone to help him while he treats them like trash (especially Yuuki and Kaien).

This topic is very subjective since this is only about everyone's preference in characters. Zero is more popular, since his archetype is more popular with the targeted audience (aka teen girls) but in the end he is nothing but the said archetype. Kaname has darkness to him, mystery, he's cunning and a sort of mastermind, traits usually found in villains. Yet, he's not your typical villain since it's more than obvious that he has very deep feelings for Yuuki and has some hidden agenda. We see into Zero, we know everything about him even though he's more of a side character than Kaname (especially lately). However, we know so little about Kaname even though he had so much screen time. He's too complex to be summed up with one arc or one flashback. I understand that nearly no one shares my opinion, though. Zero is made to be liked imo.

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05-24-12, 2:33 PM

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Villetta_Nu said:
I don't believe it was the author's intention for us to like Kaname. This story is really about Yuuki and Zero. Kaname is just a road block that's interfering with them finding there way back to each other.
god i hope so, cause hes legitimately evil, i dont think some of his fans realize that he gets hate not because of just his personality but the fact that hes literally the cause for all this and hes making things worse, and hes completely aware of what hes doing to others
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05-24-12, 11:38 PM

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HikaruIzumi said:
Yet, he's not your typical villain since it's more than obvious that he has very deep feelings for Yuuki and has some hidden agenda.


Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then?

As for Kaname's background, a whole book was dedicated to his past, so I don't see how little is known about him. The only thing that needs to be revealed is his goal, which I agree to be complex and seems to be lengthy
 
05-25-12, 10:26 AM

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anaaga said:

Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then?


Hidden agenda as in he wants to achieve something different than lets others know. Rido didn't have much of a hidden agenda. He was going directly after what he wanted. Kaname, on the other hand, is completely different. No one, not Yuuki, not even us know what he's TRULY after. And about those feelings, Rido's were possesive. He wanted Juuri (and later Yuuki) for himself while Kaname got hit just to protect her. Kaname's felings are deep and selfless. From what we saw it's safe to assume that he's pushing her away simply so that she won't get hurt. Yeah, I DO think that makes him a special "villain".

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05-25-12, 12:22 PM

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HikaruIzumi said:
anaaga said:

Is his hidden agenda and feeling for the female protagonist what makes him special? To my knowledge and experience, most villains have hidden agendas (hence what makes them villains), and some do have some romantic affection for the female protagonists. If those two facts make him special, Rido must be special too then?


Hidden agenda as in he wants to achieve something different than lets others know. Rido didn't have much of a hidden agenda. He was going directly after what he wanted. Kaname, on the other hand, is completely different. No one, not Yuuki, not even us know what he's TRULY after. And about those feelings, Rido's were possesive. He wanted Juuri (and later Yuuki) for himself while Kaname got hit just to protect her. Kaname's felings are deep and selfless. From what we saw it's safe to assume that he's pushing her away simply so that she won't get hurt. Yeah, I DO think that makes him a special "villain".
he could be using her for something, and he needs her alive to accomplish whatever this is, i wouldnt be surprised
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05-31-12, 10:23 PM

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I don't know if he's supposed to be liked, but I never did. Ever since the beginning. Don't really know why I hated him from the get-go. Just something about him...
Thank goodness Zero showed up or else I'd have stopped reading it immediately.
 
06-01-12, 5:22 PM

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I think Kaname is supposed to be a likable character, but at some point, the plot became too incoherent to make that happen.

I think of him as a failed "Damon" -- yes, from another popular vampire themed series, but not animated and western -- because he's tortured, does bad stuff and so on, but he is not funny.

Then again, with the tone of the anime, it would not make sense to have Kaname be used as a comedy relief, right?

It's not just that he isn't funny either, but also that initially, all his actions were justified by his overwhelming need to protect Yuki, but later on -- the past 10 chapters -- it seems as if there's some more obscure reason behind his modus operandi and that's still not quite clear.

Right now, he sure looks like some nutjob, doing random stuff with flimsy reasoning behind such acts. So it's kinda hard to like him, at least to me anyway.

Honestly though, if the explanations behind Kaname's behaviour are very stupid, I'll hate the mangaka and not him at the end of the day.
 
06-03-12, 10:51 AM

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Arurie said:
I don't know if he's supposed to be liked, but I never did. Ever since the beginning. Don't really know why I hated him from the get-go. Just something about him...
Thank goodness Zero showed up or else I'd have stopped reading it immediately.
i wouldnt say i hated him from the get go but by the 2nd seaspm i despised him
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06-03-12, 6:25 PM

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Im probably going to be the only one here but yes I still like Kaname =]

Im guessing everyone is suppose to like Kaname so when we get to this point of Kaname being evil and all het yummiest is suppose to make us sad and wish for him to stop the stupid idea of hat hooded lady's plan... which I did read somewhere that someone has picked up that the hooded lady and Zero look alike.

But I will forever be a Kaname fan, no matter what stupid/annoying thing he will do... haha
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06-23-12, 12:10 PM

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Maybe not like, but I guess he should be sympathized.


 
06-23-12, 2:18 PM

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EfiChan said:
Maybe not like, but I guess he should be sympathized.
doing a shit job at it
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