Black★Rock Shooter (TV) Episode 4 Discussion

TwinBrave said:
That scene where Yomi was putting her face on that bed TOOK FOREVER.

PaninaManina said:

Evangelion's legacy.

PaninaManina said:

This is another problem.
The action scenes are just weak and meaningless.
Black Rock is "immortal". Nothing hurt her, sadly.
If it was just the others Blacks, would make sense but even Dead Master seem not hurt her. DEAD, MASTER. MASTER OF DEATH. I would naturally think that she is overpower, truly capable to kill with her attacks, but nooooo.
The max that ordinary CG do is show some butts.

PaninaManina said:
These topics on BRS are the ones with the highest occurrence of "shit", "crap" and "fuck" of all database.

PaninaManina said:
EMO!
BLACK TEARS OF SOCIETY!

PaninaManina said:
Yomi.... WORTS DRAMA EVEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!
Manking couldn't make better shit.

BRSxIgnition said:

You cannot speak/type english properly, you are insulting the series and making jokes at random, without adding your views on anything.

BRSxIgnition said:
All you've really said is that you like BRS itself, but the anime sucks, and then you have spent the last 3+ hours bashing on the series at random without reason.

YurikoRaine said:

2. If not sure if troll or serious, don't feed it, whatever it is.
Aren't you wasting your energy on the wrong topic? Just ignore him if you don't like his comments. Just a hint to make life easier.

BRSxIgnition said:
I understand some people may not like it, but if they insult it, I'd like to have a reason for their views - I always give mine.

razor39999 said:
But that means Saya is a moron, because aggravating emotions of people with actual problems would give her easier and faster results. If this was taking place at a juvenile home full of delinquents with some actual problems and not this "omg no one likes me" middle school crap, it would be a freaking awesome show. Or if the girls had some crazy shit happen to them irl like those in Madoka Magica.

BRSxIgnition said:
No no no, I understand that the problems in Madoka were larger, but that's not the point. Saya is using the 'other selves' to blow these girl's problems out of proportion.

Saya must have a reason for executing her plan at this specific school. Mato/BRS seems different than all of the 'other-selves', so maybe it has to do with Mato, rather than the problems that the children have.

If she can multiply their problems either way, she would focus on Mato regardless.

BRSxIgnition said:
Why are you here?
You cannot speak/type english properly, you are insulting the series and making jokes at random, without adding your views on anything.

BRSxIgnition said:
All you've really said is that you like BRS itself, but the anime sucks, and then you have spent the last 3+ hours bashing on the series at random without reason.

pilipino101 said:
OMG, this episode MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!! As opposed to the other posts, I actually (at least to myself) suddenly had an epiphany. It goes like this:

Ok, so Arata (the basketball captain) suddenly goes and becomes knocked out (ep 3), all the while the counselor was grinning about what she has done. In this episode, Arata suddenly "doesn't remember" the humiliation she was brought under due to her confession. Anyway, this same "forgetfulness" is suddenly transcribed to Kagari, when she had her little talk with Yomi, and how she "doesn't understand why" but she loves her anyway. So basically, the counselor (as most if not all of us have theorized) is the hidden antagonist in this small series, and what's happening with the other world is translated into this world as quite literally "breaking" one's character, bringing the "memory" with it.

This brings me to the link to the OVA, and my theory/prediction. This series, by the look of things, actually is a PREQUEL. When Yomi goes berserk after hearing what Kagari said, suddenly, in the other world, chains, and SKULLS appeared against BRS. Also, in the beginning of the OVA, when Mato was "introducing" herself to Yomi, it might not even be that they actually met each other, but Yomi actually DOES NOT remember her. ----This is all I can muster up to this point. I know it's full of question, and holes within this theory, but I'll see if the last 4 eps support or negate this.

Aurioch said:
Can I ask kindly of someone to offer me some explanation? From what I understand so far, each of main characters have their "avatar" in the Otherworld and character's emotions and events in real world affect events in otherworld, am I right?

Is that all I should know or there is some deeper connection within worlds and/or characters?

BRSxIgnition said:
I'd just like to voice my opinion on what we know so far, and what I assume is happening.

I believe that the poster "VictimOfFate" has it mostly correct - Saya/BGS is purposefully exploiting the minor worries and weaknesses of these girls to turn them into major disorders. ("Molehills into Mountains.")

She first 'grows' the 'other selves' in the Dark World, and as they - the 'other selves' - grow, they become connected to 'Our World' through people. Once they are connected with the person in our world, it magnifies their emotions, both good and bad - and allows them to build up much more than they usually would. This can be evidenced by Yomi's breakdown in this episode. Usually a girl wouldn't be THAT damaged by these events, even with another self in the dark world - however we can see in multiple instances in this episode that Saya/BGS was taking special care of 'growing' Dead Master - purposefully pushing her further and further to that point of breakdown, both in our world and the 'Dark World'.

As well as being able to pinpoint this, we're also able to generally accept that whenever a person/girl is killed in the Dark World, their worries and memories of those worries are 'killed' as well. This happened with Kagari and Kohachi - both forgot the events that led up to their worries and their breakdowns. In this episode, we saw that in Kagari's case, this was her entire childhood that she spent with Yomi. After hearing Yomi's breakdown in the kitchen at school, and not being able to remember the childhood Yomi was talking about, she went to Yomi's house to tell her to let go of her - this was the last straw for Yomi, and most likely planned by Saya/BGS.

I love how dark this all is, and I just wish that people would understand, that YES, the drama is overdone to the max, but it's SUPPOSED to be that way. It happens because of Saya, and the Dark World. The entire premise is that BRS is bearing this pain and helping others regain peace - I really like this plotline, and I actually hope things get darker from here.

Here's hoping for another awesome battle in next week's episode and a long life for Black★Rock Shooter as an IP!

**The above is all my speculation, but based on other's opinions and the anime itself, I'd say it's 90% right, hopefully.

PaninaManina said:
Stop with that attitude "leave my anime alone". What I realized is that those most critical of those who speak ill of the series is the least that contributes to the discussion. If BRS is soooo wonderful why don't share some thoughts.

My contribution: http://forum.subeteanimes.com/thread-351-page-19.html

BRSxIgnition said:

If you look back through these posts, you can see where I have put in my thoughts, backing them up with views and reasons - unlike you. Hell, the post directly above this has my thoughts quoted for you. I also recommend you check my thoughts on the first episode, which I hated, and talked about why on the first episode thread.

Sorry, as much as I want to read your link there, I only spent a year or so in Portugal, so i was never taught the language - It's a beautiful place though!

Anyway, back to BRS~

razor39999 said:


Mato better be super special for the setting to be such a silly, practically carefree school.

Aurioch said:
Thanks BRSxIgnition, now most of my questions are cleared out.
Only one remains: from where do you know names of the otherworld characters (except Black★Rock Shooter, that's obvious)?

BRSxIgnition said:


This IP started with the drawing of Black Rock Shooter by Huke. As it got bigger, he added more characters, starting with Dead Master (Green girl), Black Gold Saw (Red Girl), and Strength (Gray Girl) - he based Chariot off of Dragon Slayer - which was another one of his other characters.

For those who are newer to the series, all of the character names are on the site.

LadyOrihime said:
Per BLK Huke Selected Works (and being a fan for so long), Black★Matagi, Black★Devil Girl, and this character (http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x142/ava_z/Unknown6.jpg) came before STRength did. STR was created solely for the OVA at that time.

The other BRS universe characters ( Black★Matagi, Black★Devil Girl, and the unknown character) just haven't been animated. STR seems to be based off of the unknown character, going by the look of her arms and hairstyle. STR in the series has those orange-red eyes, but didn't in the OVA.

Jimb0 said:

i feel like this series is constantly trying to underwhelm me. most people came for the action and the other world with the actual title character, but its taken a back seat to the real world. i forgave the ova bcuz they tried to do a lot in only 40 mins, now i think they are trying to do too much for 8 episodes. hopefully they can tie it all together in the last 4 episodes.

Blackiris said:
But everything aside, Saya is a one creepy dame - using subliminal stimuli to convey poisonous words in a simple "slip of the tongue"... She's a scary one all right.
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Captain_GARlock said:

Of course people like you who watch garbage wouldn't notice, so enjoy your visual feces. I'm out.

polke45 said:
From what I gathered here in this episode, I think the counselor is behind the whole thing. Manipulating everyone's mind, which is the only reason I can think of to justify Kagari whole personality change. Hopefully everything will explain by the end. Also, not sure if anyone notice this, but I think this whole alternate reality is created by the counselor. The way that an eye always look over the people, people begins showing up in that world after talking to her, and the whole metaphor of a cabinet filled with cups.

I personally don;'t think this episode/anime is that bad. It is because of the fact that we are so familiar with the typical anime that explains stuff as we go through each episode, people tend to dislike this one since it is either confusing at time or doesn't take the time to explain things.

BRSxIgnition said:
I'd just like to voice my opinion on what we know so far, and what I assume is happening.

I believe that the poster "VictimOfFate" has it mostly correct - Saya/BGS is purposefully exploiting the minor worries and weaknesses of these girls to turn them into major disorders. ("Molehills into Mountains.")

She first 'grows' the 'other selves' in the Dark World, and as they - the 'other selves' - grow, they become connected to 'Our World' through people. Once they are connected with the person in our world, it magnifies their emotions, both good and bad - and allows them to build up much more than they usually would. This can be evidenced by Yomi's breakdown in this episode. Usually a girl wouldn't be THAT damaged by these events, even with another self in the dark world - however we can see in multiple instances in this episode that Saya/BGS was taking special care of 'growing' Dead Master - purposefully pushing her further and further to that point of breakdown, both in our world and the 'Dark World'.

As well as being able to pinpoint this, we're also able to generally accept that whenever a person/girl is killed in the Dark World, their worries and memories of those worries are 'killed' as well. This happened with Kagari and Kohachi - both forgot the events that led up to their worries and their breakdowns. In this episode, we saw that in Kagari's case, this was her entire childhood that she spent with Yomi. After hearing Yomi's breakdown in the kitchen at school, and not being able to remember the childhood Yomi was talking about, she went to Yomi's house to tell her to let go of her - this was the last straw for Yomi, and most likely planned by Saya/BGS.

I love how dark this all is, and I just wish that people would understand, that YES, the drama is overdone to the max, but it's SUPPOSED to be that way. It happens because of Saya, and the Dark World. The entire premise is that BRS is bearing this pain and helping others regain peace - I really like this plotline, and I actually hope things get darker from here.

Here's hoping for another awesome battle in next week's episode and a long life for Black★Rock Shooter as an IP!

Captain_GARlock said:

And you're completely full of shit. You're overanalyzing something with absolutely nothing below the surface. It's a poorly written piece of crap with no redeeming qualities. Develop your taste.

As for the basketball girl, that's not a traumatic experience. Yes, the word is traumatic, not dramatic. It was mild embarassment at best.

PaninaManina said:
I SEE EMO PEOPLE! EMO EVERYWHERE!

"Oh, poor girls, Kohata was rejected and Yomi have no friends and think she is uselees (and she really is). Going insane and commiting suicide because of this, seems legit."

Bullshit!
Stop crying and get a life.

PaninaManina said:
When I myself went through similar situations in childhood, guess what was the solution?
Fap my frustrations.

Monad said:

Let me explain something to you silly little dude. None of us is gonna sleep with his socks tonight or lose his appetite over Black Rock Shooter but unlike you we actually think that watching something is about trying to understand it and enjoy it instead of bashing everything that isn't exactly as badass as we like to play we are.
Go figure huh? People actually trying to watch a show by expanding their views and using understanding and empathy so they can see if it has something they can enjoy instead of watching shows to grow their dicks. How crazy they must be wanting to find the enjoyment in artistic works. Go figure?