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Feb 27, 2012 3:18 PM

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Hmm... over 400 this episode... Soon this series will reach over 9000
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Feb 27, 2012 5:58 PM

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Anyone wondering how Kenji Kido was at the controls of the Luekocytes?

The last we saw of him was in episode 10, right before Keido sprung his trap, releasing the Apocalypse Virus. I guess we now know how GHQ knew where to fire the Luekocyte at the end of episode 5. When Segai was inspired to try to turn Shu in episode 4. I wouldn't be suprised if he had the same thought concerning Kenji. It would explain more then a few things, if Kenji had turned traitor, becoming GHQ's spy within Funeral Parlour.
Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?"

Watcman: "One who fears the dark."

"And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction.

"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be."

 
Feb 27, 2012 6:21 PM

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Anyone wondering how Kenji Kido was at the controls of the Luekocytes?

The last we saw of him was in episode 10, right before Keido sprung his trap, releasing the Apocalypse Virus. I guess we now know how GHQ knew where to fire the Luekocyte at the end of episode 5. When Segai was inspired to try to turn Shu in episode 4. I wouldn't be suprised if he had the same thought concerning Kenji. It would explain more then a few things, if Kenji had turned traitor, becoming GHQ's spy within Funeral Parlour.


I have no idea why the hell did Gai even want him or almost anything about him. IDK, I doubt we will get an answer of any sort...
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Feb 27, 2012 7:02 PM

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GodlyKyon said:
Articman said:
Anyone wondering how Kenji Kido was at the controls of the Luekocytes?

The last we saw of him was in episode 10, right before Keido sprung his trap, releasing the Apocalypse Virus. I guess we now know how GHQ knew where to fire the Luekocyte at the end of episode 5. When Segai was inspired to try to turn Shu in episode 4. I wouldn't be suprised if he had the same thought concerning Kenji. It would explain more then a few things, if Kenji had turned traitor, becoming GHQ's spy within Funeral Parlour.


I have no idea why the hell did Gai even want him or almost anything about him. IDK, I doubt we will get an answer of any sort...


Kenji's own comments about Gai in episode 5, indicated that he knew Gai better then most within Funeral Parlour. Also, Gai knew what Kenji's Void was, something that he could have know, only if he had know Kenji before he was captured. While it has not been definitively stated whether or not Kenji was a member of Funeral Parlour in the past. Gai refered to him in the announcement as a Comrade. Although, Gai was also refering to Shu at that time as well. Gai needed both Kenji's Void and the Void Genome that Shu possessed to carry out his plans.
Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?"

Watcman: "One who fears the dark."

"And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction.

"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be."

 
Feb 27, 2012 7:24 PM
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Aw gramps. I almost laughed when you got bat shit crazy as well.

But people can justify that with the samurai spirit (which is just as non-sensical).

I wonder what further roles oh my shoe will play in this hell fest Tokyo.

Not that I bother to mention any more ridicule I have with the show but, are we assuming now that Inori know how to bandage an arm wound? There's no way a normal person would have the equipment and knowledge to stop that insane cut and be relatively fine afterwards (albeit a bit mindfucked).
 
Feb 27, 2012 9:04 PM

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Articman said:
hudang said:
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IDK why the hell did they decide to bring gai back??
to be the villain.....i thought that was obvious at this point


I meant it was a terrible choice. And illogical on the part of the Keido, more importantly, HOW?

There's already like what? 4 villains?
Brow Void guy, Keido, GHQ, Mana, wtf...


cloning?

maybe with same way they did to mana >>> inori..
now they did gai to >> white hair gai..

keido and GHQ is yuu puppet..
and yuu is a da'at representative.. (and in this episode, they explainde what da'at is right)

and mana is.. uum.. i don't know..

so i think the main villain is this da'at something organization


Creating Inori made sense, as they needed a New body for Mana to inhabit. Also, Inori was meant as a means of communication with the Sleeping Mana. According to Keido.

Gai doesn't make sense. Unless they needed him to seize the Void Genome from Shu. But, that comes across as trying to lower the River, instead of raising the bridge. One reason that bringing back Gai makes sense is his devotion to Mana. Bringing back a Gai committed to Mana's resurrection, does make sense.

Still, how could they be certain that the Reborn Gai wouldn't turn agaisnt them? Unless they had some means of controling his mind, altering his personality during his rebirth. Or could be certain that some other person or power would influence the reborn Gai into the correct direction. Yuu/Daath/Eyebrows could be this influence. The Apocalypse Virus could be as well. We just don't know at this time. And I suspect we won't ever get an satisfactory explianation concerning this.


I think his right eye they transplanted in is helping controlling his mind. I could be wrong though.


Is anyone else wondering what Gai wanted to do with the stone that caused the Apocalyptic virus? Was he gonna destroy it? Or what? I'm curious on how it would of turned out if Gai got his hands on the stone first. I remember how Shu always kept asking him what he fights for and why but he would just redirect the conversation. He said to Arisa's grandfather he fights to be able to hold a women (Mana) in his arms again but maybe it's more. He's still a mysterious character and I hope they explain more about him soon.
 
Feb 27, 2012 9:44 PM

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Damn, that was one badass grandfather; I am hoping Arisa dies at some point.
There's pretty much something to make you hate every character in the show.

I want to know what happens next, me and everyone else. D:
 
Feb 28, 2012 2:42 AM

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Fucking lol at the ahegao of Shoe. You made my day.
 
Feb 28, 2012 6:07 AM

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And still more than 48 hours left. Fuckin' dying here from anticipation. '__'
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Feb 28, 2012 9:23 AM

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I'm sure all the inconsistencies and logical fallacies have been pointed out already, so all I have to say is bad writing is bad and it was getting a little bit better too....


Out of sheer scientific curiosity. How would you have done it better?
 
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Jlopes3 said:
I'm sure all the inconsistencies and logical fallacies have been pointed out already, so all I have to say is bad writing is bad and it was getting a little bit better too....


Out of sheer scientific curiosity. How would you have done it better?


I would have given Inori a personality for starters.
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Feb 28, 2012 10:15 AM

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Bad Gai!!!
 
Feb 28, 2012 5:53 PM

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Inori has gone insane. o_o
Guessing Gai wants her for the song like at the end of last series?

Looking forward to seeing how Shu brings this back, assuming he will?
 
Feb 28, 2012 6:33 PM

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GodlyKyon said:
Articman said:
Anyone wondering how Kenji Kido was at the controls of the Luekocytes?

The last we saw of him was in episode 10, right before Keido sprung his trap, releasing the Apocalypse Virus. I guess we now know how GHQ knew where to fire the Luekocyte at the end of episode 5. When Segai was inspired to try to turn Shu in episode 4. I wouldn't be suprised if he had the same thought concerning Kenji. It would explain more then a few things, if Kenji had turned traitor, becoming GHQ's spy within Funeral Parlour.


I have no idea why the hell did Gai even want him or almost anything about him. IDK, I doubt we will get an answer of any sort...
We can still assume Gai is just using him and approved of him to serve him. Guy is crazy enough so at most he is as insane as the ideas of Gai are thus he works for him.

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@silverfang I'm not totally sure how it works, however I have heard directors saying that they did not know how they were going to end the series while creating it. So, they could make a script for episode 1 then have the production team create it. Then make one for episode 2 and then have the team create it etc. So they could come up with the story one episode at a time. But that is a good point to bring up, however I think they can come up with the story one episode at a time instead of having a set plan for each episode. It's pointless to argue because unless someone inside tells us how it was made, we will never know.
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@silverfang I'm not totally sure how it works, however I have heard directors saying that they did not know how they were going to end the series while creating it. So, they could make a script for episode 1 then have the production team create it. Then make one for episode 2 and then have the team create it etc. So they could come up with the story one episode at a time. But that is a good point to bring up, however I think they can come up with the story one episode at a time instead of having a set plan for each episode. It's pointless to argue because unless someone inside tells us how it was made, we will never know.


I can honestly say that when it comes to TV series, I'm not completely sure about the process (only the fact of how in general animation/movie production works), even though I would LOVE to know and see the process myself. So I agree that unless someone on the GC staff could tell us the process, I can't say much more than what I said before. I just wanted to say that I think that waiting until the previous episode to be finished to then start on the next, just sounds really weird to me and it would just make sense to have the story as a whole to then cut it into pieces. But maybe that's just how I would do it. But I'm not an expert, so it is possible that you may be right, who am I to deny that? And plus, this show isn't based off of a manga or video game, so they don't really have a reference or an ending that's already done.

Sorry, for the long-winded explanation, I'm just very passionate about the animation/movie industries.
 
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*salutes the moderating team* Thank you!
 
Feb 29, 2012 1:33 AM

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need new ep!!! now
 
Feb 29, 2012 8:10 AM

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Shu annoys the hell the out of me, but I can't stop watching...
 
Feb 29, 2012 11:43 AM

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Apparently Shu managed to survive without needing any medical attention after losing so much blood. Oh anime logic. :(

I also didn't like the fact that Arisa turned out to be such a clingy bitch. Argh I hate her now.
 
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Apparently Shu managed to survive without needing any medical attention after losing so much blood. Oh anime logic. :(

I also didn't like the fact that Arisa turned out to be such a clingy bitch. Argh I hate her now.


It's been kicked around earilier in this thread. If Shu recieved prompt first aid, within minutes of injury, it is possible for him to survive the loss of his arm. Once the Bleeding is stopped, then Inori would have to treat for Shock and then prevent Infection. From the looks of it, Shu was laid-up for the 3 days following his injury. Shu's still pretty weak from his injury.

Arisa is not in a good place right now. The people she's working with are a couple of cans short of a 6-pack. Sounding and acting like fanatics. She's killed her Grandfather. Now, she's seen Inori turn into a monster that sliced and diced a bunch of Endlaves. I don't hate her, rather I pity her. She was a much better character before this last Arc.

Hopefully, she'll have a chance at redeempt before it's all said and done.
Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?"

Watcman: "One who fears the dark."

"And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction.

"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be."

 
Mar 1, 2012 4:09 AM

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I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.
 
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I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.
Highly doubt it. The `villains` did clone him or revived him or whatever crazy left-unexplained reason they have.

Though it would be hilarious if he somehow overcame their control and decide to be a martyr instead.
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It's been kicked around earilier in this thread. If Shu recieved prompt first aid, within minutes of injury, it is possible for him to survive the loss of his arm. Once the Bleeding is stopped, then Inori would have to treat for Shock and then prevent Infection. From the looks of it, Shu was laid-up for the 3 days following his injury. Shu's still pretty weak from his injury.

Arisa is not in a good place right now. The people she's working with are a couple of cans short of a 6-pack. Sounding and acting like fanatics. She's killed her Grandfather. Now, she's seen Inori turn into a monster that sliced and diced a bunch of Endlaves. I don't hate her, rather I pity her. She was a much better character before this last Arc.

Hopefully, she'll have a chance at redeempt before it's all said and done.
That`s assuming Inori had these safety procedure skills which is doubtful.

And it looks like they`re just creating a terrible image of Arisa so she can be killed off in the next few episodes.
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Mar 2, 2012 4:35 AM

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Am I the only person who think this anime is flipping out of it's track?
 
Mar 3, 2012 3:43 AM

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Did not expect that from Inori.
 
Mar 4, 2012 2:14 AM

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FUCKING SHIT!!

I think I shouted this like 3 times this episode. What's more interesting is that I'm actually getting dragged back in the show after two disappointing episodes.
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I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.
I think the anime is headed that way...
 
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FUCKING SHIT!!

I think I shouted this like 3 times this episode. What's more interesting is that I'm actually getting dragged back in the show after two disappointing episodes.
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I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.
I think the anime is headed that way...
I don't think Gai even showed a hint of regret or selfless heroism in any of his scenes. If anything his whole character is painted around his Mana obsession (he created his little band of rebels to get Mana, kept Inori on his side to get Mana and now put the whole world against him for Mana. It's basically Lelouch's character, but without the selfless "cleansing the world of war for my sister" side.

 
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koleare said:
FUCKING SHIT!!

I think I shouted this like 3 times this episode. What's more interesting is that I'm actually getting dragged back in the show after two disappointing episodes.
HariTop said:
I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.
I think the anime is headed that way...
I don't think Gai even showed a hint of regret or selfless heroism in any of his scenes. If anything his whole character is painted around his Mana obsession (he created his little band of rebels to get Mana, kept Inori on his side to get Mana and now put the whole world against him for Mana. It's basically Lelouch's character, but without the selfless "cleansing the world of war for my sister" side.
Of course he wants to get back Mana and all. I think there's more behind his character than what's seen though. For all I know, we might be surprised by what will be happening in the last two episodes... or not, since the scripting is a tad awful, but who knows? I don't think it's wishful thinking the fact that at least the ending will be original.
 
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I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.


. . .
 
Mar 5, 2012 1:51 AM

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Why The Fuck gai turn out like this... I don't understand...
 
Mar 6, 2012 2:28 PM

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Crazy Inori scene was pure cringe.
 
Mar 7, 2012 4:07 PM

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Funny how every character is becoming corrupt in one way or another. Suddenly Shu doesn't look so bad compared to other chars. Looks like Shu has finally decided to be a proper good guy at the end of this episode. At least that's what it looked like.

Inori in her ugly form was pretty ugly. Not that I care, since I don't like her anyway. But considering all she had going for her were her looks, I'm sure her fanboys are devastated.
 
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Trololololololololol


Love it.
 
Mar 10, 2012 12:45 AM

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they see me trolin', they hatin'...
 
Mar 10, 2012 9:33 PM

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Inori going berserk, nice! I like it. She looks good even in that form. Was cool to see Inori and Shu's relationship deepening this episode even if its just a bit. It as also refreshing to see Inori take charge. Hmm Shu looks really determined at the end, I am liking where this is going.

Gai sure has changed, still wondering what his plans are beside it involving Mana I guess. Arisa has become a bitch, disappointing to see how much she's changed.
 
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I wonder how they managed to bring Gai back to life since he practically disintegrate into nothing.What is Gai objective?
 
Mar 11, 2012 1:13 AM

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Episode in 3 sentences:

Gai = new sadist psychopath.

Inori = fake Mana = Bakemono.

BS!!


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HariTop said:
I would seriously lol, if Gai was doing this to make the world hate him, then Shu the hero for killing him.


. . .


ROFL!!

Don't know how I didn't think of that even after leaning to make so many Code Geass relevancies xP

This is getting a real low ranking from me if it ends up mocking Code Geass with its ending, ijs.
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It was the first time I saw the character was thown off after the explosion after he (she) cut the machine. Inori did so.
 
Mar 17, 2012 12:21 AM

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uh .. . . . wtf?

Arisa confirmed for super bitch. I mean she was so useless earlier now she's all up on evil Gai's junk and killed her grandfather who was pretty cool.

is this character regression for Shu? he's back to whiny and emo. granted everyone betrayed him and he lost an arm but come on.

Inori is some weird monster thing that murders people. Gai is new end boss being all evil and having some cult following him? again wtf?

I guess Tsugume and Ayase will re ally Shu and be the only characters that don't suck. oh and I guess Daryl is okay afterall.

this is just a big cluster fuck.
 
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Mar 22, 2012 2:56 AM

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Was that a reference to the first opening "My Dearest" I saw in this episode? Did anyone else catch that?

Inori said like, "Even if everyone calls you a liar, even if everyone hates you, I will always stay by your side" and that's almost exactly like the song lyrics.
 
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I can't believe some of you guys are actually taking this anime seriously.

I'll just sit back and enjoy this cluster fuck of randomness all the way to the end.
 
Mar 25, 2012 7:18 PM

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What is with this show's juvenile fascination with rape and rape imagery?

I can barely do this any more. This is truly the nadir of modern anime.
 
Mar 29, 2012 10:40 PM

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Was Inori about to give Shu a... no, forget it. Everyone is so fked up now and days I will let it slide.

Oh and when Inori went beast mode, that was sick! Though she didn't last long unfortunately. xD
 
Mar 30, 2012 12:16 AM

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what is that red clip like thing in shu's hand at the end of this episode?..
 
Apr 13, 2012 7:08 AM

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Well Monster Inori is better than the usual Inori.
 
May 21, 2012 10:03 AM

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I have developed a liking to Daryl now.
I love how his character has changed since the start of the show

Inori's hulk transformation is cool haha xD
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Great, this episode is all Ouma Shuu's life has gone to living hell.
 
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This anime is to quick paced =_= I was against Shu two episodes ago and now I'm back at his side because the poor man lost his arm and now Gai is a complete jackass with Arisa acting like his pet dog. Sware I loved her back at like episode 10, but now I hate her because of the way she's acting. The writers has the magic of bipolar: the bipolar magic of turning once loved characters into complete jackasses and turning hated characters into loved characters.
 
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