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Go ahead. Look the other way. Shrug it off.


Just doing my part. You don't have to give up your fansubs and 1080p rips, but please pay something back. Even if you have no use for what you buy, just do it to keep us afloat, or in fair exchange for all the time and hard work of hundreds of real people out there that you've freely downloaded. Compared to the gazillion-dollar movie industry... anime actually needs our support.

If you can't, at least raise awareness by spreading this video (or anything better) to your anime friends. To those who can.

Or just take the blue, and pray.

i agree with everything he said in that video(im subbed to him already watched it)

people really need to stop shrugging this off and as he said those assholes that are acting like its a good thing really need to sit back and take a look at the real consequences this will bring

I buy anime when I can. That is not often, largely because buying actual DVDs in stores of it in Australia is insanely expensive(or at least in my area)

100 dollars for a single season of anime is more than I can afford very often. Mind you, thats 100 dollars spent on anime that never would have been spent if it wasnt for the fact I can download these things online. Theres absolutely no way I will spend 100 dollars on a show I havent seen. It could be bad. That might seem greedy but.. tis just to much money to spend lightly.

Well now I'm sure gonna grab those Nichijou Blu-rays for 80 Dollars. 80 Dollars for a series? That's a pretty good offer ... oh wait, it's 80 Dollars for 2 episodes. Yeah ... nvm then.

This is also a problem with the service. If there is a free service that is higher quality, faster and free, why would we pay for a shittier slower service? I would only consider it if I wanted to contribute to the artist because I admire his work. When a company takes months to sub something and a fan sub group takes less than 2 days, I think i will choose the fan sub group. In this way, I feel like all I am doing is donating rather than actually wanting the product. I will gladly donate to the ones who make anime, but supporting companies like Bandai who blame the community for not buying their shitty service is a whole different story.
I do buy manga which I like though, because reading it online is not quite the same as reading it with the book in hand. Though, I feel like much of the good manga which I would buy has not been brought to the U.S. It is pretty frustrating though when you have to wait months at a time for manga to come out because the translators are not really working on it. I mean, fan subs work for free, and deliver high quality translation fast, why should I support these companies who take months at a time to translate anime and manga when they cannot even compare to the community who works for free?

I saw this video and it's great.

I get the feeling that most people here may not care. If you don't, move along; we're not talking to you. This is for those that do. It's fairly simplistic, but does a good job dispelling general ignorance. In any case, spread the word and just let people know what their options are. Let them make their own decisions.

Well, seeing how most of the anime coming out is crud, asking me to waste my money like that is pretty silly. Now I'd love to buy some of my favourite and I occasionally do, but stuff like Votoms, LoGH and RoV is pretty damn hard to come by, if it's even subbed at all.
Plus like Darkshards says, the whole anime industry as it is today is antiquated and inefficient, with pointless distribution companies wasting resources and hogging the profits. A new anime series won't get over here until it's finished and boxed, and even then it's still anyone's guess whether it will be subbed at all. Online subbers provides the stuff for free in a matter of days. Maybe if the Japanese DVDs had no gay-ass region blocks, included English subs (not Engrish), and been available at a more sane price, the industry could get a swifter flow and wouldn't need to waste resources on localization as much.

I buy when I can, but most of the time it's an issue with the series being out of print. The price of CardCaptor Sakura DVD sets on Amazon.com is more than the price of some cars. Funimation's website stopped selling Higurashi DVDs last I saw.

Shouldn't your goal be to persuade those that don't care to start caring? If you're only interested in the input of people who care, then what exactly are you changing? People that care probably cared from the start. You need your voice to reach those who don't give a fuck. Like me. I don't give a fuck. Reach me.

Nope. You don't give a fuck and will never give a fuck, no matter what anyone says, so why should I even bother? Same for the people who do care; I don't need to convince them, either, obviously. The ones that need to be reached are those who simply don't know how easy it is to support the industry a little or don't realize how the industry is severely stagnating. Or maybe those who are on the fence about supporting the industry or who truly love their favorite series, but are hesitant about picking up the DVD. Not only does this comprise the vast majority of people who consume anime casually or newcomers, but it just takes a gentle nudge in the right direction. Persuading obstinate, confrontational people who will conjure every excuse in the book, like the excuses outlined in the video, is just a waste of effort and completely not worth the time; there's a better way to expend that energy.

It's as Baman say's. I buy show's i like and would like to own down the road, and until companies start bringing over more stuff actually worth buying and less every generic ecchi harem shit i don't see myself buying more than a few sets a year.

That about sums it up, Illconstruct. You cant convince people who dont care or dont want to be convinced, there is no point in trying. Time is better spent on people who are ignorant but might care, or who are unsure.

Wasting effort on those who dont care just makes it harder to spend effort on those who may.

To the people saying 'the stuff coming out now is bad why would I buy it' Thats ultimately fine, theres no reason you should buy things you dont like. Thats not a reason not to buy the things you DO like though, surely. Any help at all is still help, lol.

The guys speaks sense. I skype with a couple of people with the exact frame of mind as what he described, I wouldn't say it pisses me off I just wish they would try and do their bit. Like the guy in the video, I'm not exactly a saint, I do download all my anime while it's airing and never stream legally or illegally, however I do buy all the shows I really like if they have a release over here, as well as quite a bit of manga as of late.



This one simple sentence, it's not fucking rocket science, I seriously thought that BD's would stop this region code malarkey it's just retarded but nope.

*high five to a few clear minds*

My apologies for not joining in on the discussion a bit more, but I have absolutely no time tonight.
Damn you, Embedded Design.

Great video and echoes many of my views as well. When I see all the posts of various forums, not just MAL, about how people refuse to support their hobby's industry for one excuse or another, I feel a bit saddened to see how we've progressed as fans.

And I like how you mention that to support the industry you don't even need to BUY SHIT, you can just watch on LEGAL streaming site for free rather than instantly rush to your torrents or whatnot. Seems a lot of people's excuses are monetary issues, and even those are becoming less and less valid with so many shows being legal streamed and simulcasted.

Then the quality issue, which is an issue which I see no solution to. Even if there is a FREE and LEGAL alternative people still torrent because "the quality is better". Not sure how to counter that without having piracy advocates overrun my argument lol

So you basically want a topic where everyone is agreeing with the TC and there is not discussion other than "high five", "Well Said Bro", "Wow, I never thought of it that way", "I am now well informed". That is the the most idiotic thing I have ever heard of. This isn't a forum where the poster only wants to see and pay attention to positive feedback rather than constructive criticism. If there are ideas and reasons people don't agree with the video and it was not mentioned in the video, I want to hear an answer to it. I want feedback that will further convince me that I am wrong for not buying anime or manga. I want to be convinced, so give me evidence to convince me of this fact! -_-

Err, I dont think he said your not allowed to post, you know. He simply said no I will not spend time and effort pointlessly trying to convince a person who does not want to be convinced that they should help out an industry they seem to enjoy enough to post on a forum focused on said industry. You can say whatever you want, as long as its polite I assume, as can he. Conversely, he can not say what he wants, to.

He simply wanted to get anyone whos opinion was open on the matter to watch this in the hopes it would have some impact. A perfectly reasonable action, that. If you really want to be convinced, you would be perfectly capable of finding some information on this matter yourself. Its probably not likely that you would be willing to spend money on it if we found you the information but you wouldnt be willing to find said information yourself.

Ohh, and your not wrong for not buying them. Many many animes are not worth the money it would cost to buy them. I am sure you have enjoyed some things enough to warrant a bit of money spent, though. If not, thats fair enough and your call. If you have though..

I do agree that I may have misinterpreted what he meant, but let me clarify.

I simply want the criticism to be addressed, if people don't even try to then it would be hopeless. I want other people's ideas to be expressed and those idea's to be addressed. It is not true that people who believe one thing cannot be convinced of another. If I look this information up, then, much of what I will get are facts, not arguments.

I can understand wanting conversation on it. Thats fine. I just dont think hes under any compulsion to explain his reasoning to you if he doesnt feel like it. I would try and give you good reasons for it but I am terrible at getting my ideas across in any concise form and would probably end up ranting about it for ages and explaining absolutely nothing. The best I can really give you is a rather simple 'We obviously enjoy anime enough to post on a forum dedicated to it, supporting anime a bit is the least we can do'

Exactly, miereneronaile! Don't want to support the industry? Go right ahead; that's your call. Disagree with points in the video? That's fine, too. The video is just a nice, digestable, sharable encapsulation of the argument for supporting the industry and I believe that everyone can see that spreading it around can do some good, regardless of their personal desire to help or remain indifferent to the industry.

The crux of the video's argument is that the industry is stagnating and if you don't want to give a little back, then at least try to inform others and be respectful of whatever they decide to do. I'm not really here to debate, but if want to, there are many in this thread who would probably be willing, so by all means!

This is different from the tired "BUY ANIME NAO STOP BEING SO SELFISH" crusade that you so often see. All I'm saying is: Keep your fansubs if that makes you happy. Just be aware that we're trying to enlighten fans who might not know any better and be mindful that some of us are trying to mend the industry, even if you choose not to participate. :D

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Sorry, I'm kind of limited on time here. Again, I'm not really up for debate, but, yes, I respect that you have opposing opinions and hopefully someone else will be up to the task. I may disagree, but, by all means, discussion is good!