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#61
02-27-12, 1:51 PM
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Orulyon said: I believe Jack will do everything to make Lacie´s wish come true, so... and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T What is Lacie's wish? And Revis experiment was to see if the core of the abyss could get into a body and posses it. He was only planning to use one kid for this, but ended up that Alice and Alyss were both born. ![]() I will turn you into junk. |
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02-27-12, 1:55 PM
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Liinah said: Orulyon said: I believe Jack will do everything to make Lacie´s wish come true, so... and wtf are Revis´s experiments about? T_T What is Lacie's wish? And Revis experiment was to see if the core of the abyss could get into a body and posses it. He was only planning to use one kid for this, but ended up that Alice and Alyss were both born. In this chapter Jack talks about Lacie´s wish, but it was not yet revealed what was her wish, it is something Revis told only to Jack, as well as the experiments (Glen does not know anything about it, Revis told only to Jack). Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ 飛ぶ |
#63
02-27-12, 2:21 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2011 Posts: 149 |
I LOVED THAT CHAPTER! Don't you ever think things through? Shut up you just think too much |
#64
02-27-12, 2:54 PM
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Offline Joined: May 2011 Posts: 4 |
I hope this isn't a stupid question.... If Oz is the B-Rabbit, how is.. um.. how is Alice the B-Rabbit? |
#65
02-27-12, 4:14 PM
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Offline Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 352 |
That explains why Oz could wield the power of B-Rabbit so well. Instead of it seeming like Oz was being assisted by B-Rabbit's power like other contractors and their chains...It seemed like he possesed the original power and if I remember correctly...wasn't Alice the one who suffered when Oz used B-Rabbit's power? Thats a good twist...not completly mind blowing up pretty cool. I suspected that Jack was the psycho. So the people wanted to kill Oz for what he did as B-Rabbit...but how the hell did he become Oz Vessalius!!?? |
#66
02-27-12, 11:05 PM
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#67
02-28-12, 12:41 AM
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Alice wearing the same dress in Oz's memory as she did during the Sablier tragedy just means he was there. And he was there, in her room, all the time. Doesn't necessarily mean he killed her. Jus'sayin'! Somebody prolly already mentioned this possibility, but, maybe Oz did kill her. Maybe she asked him to after finding out what Jack and/or Glen want from her, or maybe Oz just thought that's what she wanted. Maybe Jack then walked in on dead Alice and B-Rabbit next to her, and contracted with B-Rabbit there. Maybe that's why he was crying the whole time, since his only means of getting Lacie back was dead. I don't believe that, though, and I hope that's not true. Just throwing out a crazy theory. And it's probably contradicted by other things, such as Vincent's insistence that Jack was trying to protect Alice all through the tragedy, and Yura's confirmation of that during his reenactment. There's also the question of whether Oz becoming psychotic in B-Rabbit mode (such as in Cheshire dimension and elsewhere) is the result of Jack's yandere-ness or B-Rabbit's own personality, which influenced Jack instead of the other way around. Ultimately I think it's futile to speculate since Jun is bound to do something none of us will expect. Modified by Neiru2013, 02-28-12, 12:54 AM |
#68
02-28-12, 12:59 AM
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Neiru2012 said: Somebody prolly already mentioned this possibility, but, maybe Oz did kill her. Maybe she asked him to after finding out what Jack and/or Glen want from her, or maybe Oz just thought that's what she wanted. Maybe Jack then walked in on dead Alice and B-Rabbit next to her, and contracted with B-Rabbit there. Maybe that's why he was crying the whole time, since his only means of getting Lacie back was dead. Now that you mention it, there was this and the following pages... |
#69
02-28-12, 2:42 AM
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Offline Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 48 |
Striderfang said: So the people wanted to kill Oz for what he did as B-Rabbit...but how the hell did he become Oz Vessalius!!?? it was a body swap im sure of it xD this |
#70
02-28-12, 3:57 AM
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I've always been wondering why Gil and Vince look so different when they are supposed to be brothers, it would kinda make more sense if Vince was really Zai's son. I don't even know what to think anymore, the story is so unpredictable. I'd like to see Vincent's face when he realizes that Ada is his sister though. Modified by Akzel, 02-28-12, 5:12 AM |
#71
02-28-12, 9:13 AM
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I'm the only one that thinks that Gil and Vincent look alike? xd ![]() ヽ(*゚д゚)ノ My virtual covers: http://youtu.be/HhhSjhBMY2A http://youtu.be/3Qu6_ov-r4Y http://youtu.be/k20A5LQPJfQ |
#72
02-28-12, 9:29 AM
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arrozykamehameha said: I'm the only one that thinks that Gil and Vincent look alike? xd No but doesn't most everyone in Pandora Hearts? |
#73
02-28-12, 9:40 AM
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Gil and Vince are supposed to be identical twins except for hair and eye color. Break points this out. (Needless to say, I don't think Vince is Zai's son.) |
#74
02-28-12, 9:48 AM
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Offline Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 50 |
OMG that chapter freaked me so much out!!! Well I knew Jack was kinda getting more and more evil, but now i realize he is just an awful jerk. Never thought Oz would be B-rabbit though...THAT was so stunning. New arc is surely gonna open with this O-O *hits gil* Gil! what are you doing? Hurry p and go help your master, dammit! |
#75
02-28-12, 1:33 PM
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Neiru2012 said: Somebody prolly already mentioned this possibility, but, maybe Oz did kill her. Maybe she asked him to after finding out what Jack and/or Glen want from her, or maybe Oz just thought that's what she wanted. Maybe Jack then walked in on dead Alice and B-Rabbit next to her, and contracted with B-Rabbit there. Maybe that's why he was crying the whole time, since his only means of getting Lacie back was dead. I always thought Jack killed Alice. But maybe he just lost control of B-Rabbit Oz and it killed Alice. Glen wanted to use her probably to get into the abyss or whatever, he would end up hurting not only the others, but Alice herself. This is probably why Oz said he'd destroy everything that makes her sad and then "I'll destroy Alice". She wanted him to protect her of anything that could harm her or the others around her, so he probably just fullfilled her wish, in the wrong way, though. And someone in the thread mentioned that in the abyss he could have transferred his powers to her so she could survive, while doing this the consequence could have been her loosing her memories. But Cheshire (not sure) said she was the one who wanted to forget everything, so idk. Or the Intention could be behind all this (about transferring B-Rabbit's power, I mean), she has the control of the abyss, she could do that. But Break said Oz can control the abyss too, so.. Modified by Liinah, 02-28-12, 1:39 PM ![]() I will turn you into junk. |
#76
02-28-12, 2:03 PM
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Neiru2012 said: It makes perfect sense that Oz = B-Rabbit. I mean, I figured that B-Rabbit was independent from both Alice and Lacie considering that Lacie contracted with B-Rabbit as a separate chain, Alice was originally human, and even after supposedly becoming B-Rabbit, the B-Rabbit power was being suspiciously siphoned away from Alice by Oz. It was just a matter of figuring out who/what B-Rabbit was, and this explains why its power was drawn to Oz - very anomalous expression of a chain's power. Aaanywhoo... in one flashback about Sablier (this + next page), there's a voiceover of "Stop it. I don't want to kill people!!" which I had assumed was Jack's (since it's being quoted and showing Jack) and had hypothesized was Jack possessed by something urging him to kill people. But, given chapter 70, there's a very good chance it was Oz saying that. Hrm (this could undermine my sense of Jack's conflicted feelings during the tragedy). Theory: B-Rabbit is a chain capable of taking human form. What if it started as Oz, then took on the form of Alice and personality. I dunno, weird idea. Also, we still don't know what Oz's mom was like. What if Oz's mom was like, Lacie after being spat back out of the Abyss. I still believe that Zai really Oz's father for some reason. But if he isn't, then maybe Zai took the original baby, threw him in the Abyss, and got baby Oz in return, without the chain. I dunno. I'm just confuzzled now. |
#77
02-28-12, 2:57 PM
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Liinah said: But Break said Oz can control the abyss too, so.. When did Break say that? Gosh, it's really embarrassing if I don't remember something Break said. XD I mainly remember it being said that B-Rabbit can destroy Abyss power like Mad Hatter does, and that Oz has indirect influence over the Abyss because the Will is so obsessed with him (or, rather, with Jack, whose body he's in). Speaking of which, this might give new meaning to "you will come to rue the day you chose the B-Rabbit over me!" It's even more obvious now that she's talking about Jack, since Oz is the B-Rabbit and can't choose himself, PLUS it would seem she's not talking about Alice. I had always assumed that Alyss was jealous of Jack choosing the other Alice somehow when she told Oz that. But, thinking back, Alice didn't even become B-Rabbit until after she died during Sablier tragedy, so it's unlikely that Alyss was talking about her. Maybe Alyss was talking about who Jack chose to contract with: the B-Rabbit, and not her. O.o Also, I've been trying to figure out what Glen meant when he said "You used [B-Rabbit's] power to break the chains, even though you knew what would happen." I'm sorry if somebody mentioned this before... I've been rather haphazard about reading this thread ^^;;... but did you notice how Glen doesn't have any of his chains out? Even when Jack pulled out B-Rabbit, Glen didn't bring out his chains to protect the other Baskervilles. Since B-Rabbit destroys Abyss power, maybe it was able to sever Glen from his 5 chains, leaving him open for Jack to attack with B-Rabbit. So what's the "even though you knew what would happen"? What would happen if the 5 key Abyss-door chains broke free from Glen? Sounds chaotic, if that is what happened. It would also likely take away Glen's power to control the Abyss gates. Modified by Neiru2013, 02-28-12, 3:02 PM |
#78
02-28-12, 3:15 PM
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Neiru2012 said: Liinah said: But Break said Oz can control the abyss too, so.. When did Break say that? Here and here, he says Oz can controll the Will of the abyss, therefore the abyss. Neiru2012 said: Maybe Alyss was talking about who Jack chose to contract with: the B-Rabbit, and not her. Maybe Alyss herself can become/is a chain, but Jack chose to contract with B-Rabbit since he was Lacie's chain. But I don't think he would actually know that if she happened to be a chain. ;a; Modified by Liinah, 02-28-12, 3:28 PM ![]() I will turn you into junk. |
#79
02-28-12, 3:54 PM
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Liinah said: Neiru2012 said: Liinah said: But Break said Oz can control the abyss too, so.. When did Break say that? Here and here, he says Oz can controll the Will of the abyss, therefore the abyss. Ahh, cool. I've always considered that the "indirect" way that the Baskervilles talked about, but Break is being very direct about it here. Hmm, wonder if it has something to do with B-Rabbit's supposed ability to control time like in the pilot chapter. And yeah, Break implies that Alyss is a chain. I think it was said somewhere else, too. |
#80
02-28-12, 4:19 PM
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Offline Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 1 |
I am so confused how can oz be a chain!? |






