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02-14-12, 3:42 AM

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Glad that at least one character wasn't raped.
 
02-14-12, 4:13 AM

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God this show is full of retard.

I listed up some of the retarded moments I could remember. Here's some:

Retarded moment 1: That one year ago flashback didn't serve any purpose except for mindless comedy which wasn't even funny. Well for me that is. I mean the show took a much serious turn last ep, why would you insert mindless comedy now?

Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?

Retarded moment 3: Yukki's dad said he was sorry and that he didn't have any regrets? Holy shit, you killed your ex-wife and you didn't have any regrets. The scriptwriter must have had a recent brain surgery.

Retarded moment 4: Yukki forgiving his dad like it was nothing after saying he wanted to see the stars with the 3 of them when clearly he was the one who killed his mom.

I might have missed some so feel free to add, because I know that in Mirai Nikki, retardedness doesn't stop.

Wasabi said:
My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

This is so true.
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02-14-12, 5:55 AM

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O.o poor Yuki he is suffering a lot because of this future diaries.

And what the... with Yuno and what she done with her parents. She really has a problem
 
02-14-12, 6:35 AM

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God this show is full of retard.

I listed up some of the retarded moments I could remember. Here's some:

Retarded moment 1: That one year ago flashback didn't serve any purpose except for mindless comedy which wasn't even funny. Well for me that is. I mean the show took a much serious turn last ep, why would you insert mindless comedy now?

Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?

Retarded moment 3: Yukki's dad said he was sorry and that he didn't have any regrets? Holy shit, you killed your ex-wife and you didn't have any regrets. The scriptwriter must have had a recent brain surgery.

Retarded moment 4: Yukki forgiving his dad like it was nothing after saying he wanted to see the stars with the 3 of them when clearly he was the one who killed his mom.

I might have missed some so feel free to add, because I know that in Mirai Nikki, retardedness doesn't stop.

Wasabi said:
My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

This is so true.


^ Everything this guy said.

Yukii forgives his dad only because he apologized? Really?...
He killed his fucking MOTHER.

Dropped. I've had enough of its bullshit.
 
02-14-12, 7:54 AM

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yet one thing i'm still HUH give wonder does yuki got like so "mother-son" incest on his mom?

really even going letter give try to female look like his mom?

are you serious bro?! yea really give i'm assume pics/fic ideas whole yuki has mom-obsession yet really part me think could it be incest?
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02-14-12, 8:15 AM

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Silent_Scream said:
God this show is full of retard.

I listed up some of the retarded moments I could remember. Here's some:

Retarded moment 1: That one year ago flashback didn't serve any purpose except for mindless comedy which wasn't even funny. Well for me that is. I mean the show took a much serious turn last ep, why would you insert mindless comedy now?

Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?

Retarded moment 3: Yukki's dad said he was sorry and that he didn't have any regrets? Holy shit, you killed your ex-wife and you didn't have any regrets. The scriptwriter must have had a recent brain surgery.

Retarded moment 4: Yukki forgiving his dad like it was nothing after saying he wanted to see the stars with the 3 of them when clearly he was the one who killed his mom.

I might have missed some so feel free to add, because I know that in Mirai Nikki, retardedness doesn't stop.

Wasabi said:
My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

This is so true.


Amen!

Finally someone else sees the shit in this episode. And still over 65 % have gave this episode a 5/5.
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02-14-12, 8:45 AM

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I guess i'm gonna need more crack to take if i wanna understand the next episode. just sayin :l
 
02-14-12, 9:22 AM

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Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?
The sleeping pills were shown for a reason.
 
02-14-12, 10:39 AM

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Hello, I'm new. And for all the people complaining about Yuki, he most likely shouldn't have, but did you people miss the fact that his father was going to turn himself in or something? What, that isn't enough for you people? You want him to end up taking revenge ala Hell Girl or something?

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My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.


Because Guilty Crown's inconsistencies ARE worse than this show. Complain all you want, but what happens in this show is actually more consistent than people give it credit for. Yuki was always forgiving. The police were always incompetent (Ninth is walking around free for god's sake). And is it really that hard to believe that Yuki's dad realized what he did after he killed somebody?

GC is, and always will be, worse than this show because it never sticks to its own set of rules for more than an episode.
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02-14-12, 11:06 AM

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Hello, I'm new. And for all the people complaining about Yuki, he most likely shouldn't have, but did you people miss the fact that his father was going to turn himself in or something? What, that isn't enough for you people? You want him to end up taking revenge ala Hell Girl or something?


After all the shit Yuki's father has done, Yes that is exactly what I wanted to happen.

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02-14-12, 11:17 AM

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After all the shit Yuki's father has done, Yes that is exactly what I wanted to happen.


I may not know about Japanese prison or anything, but it can't be good in there.
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02-14-12, 11:31 AM

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Flawfinder said:

Because Guilty Crown's inconsistencies ARE worse than this show. Complain all you want, but what happens in this show is actually more consistent than people give it credit for. Yuki was always forgiving. The police were always incompetent (Ninth is walking around free for god's sake). And is it really that hard to believe that Yuki's dad realized what he did after he killed somebody?

GC is, and always will be, worse than this show because it never sticks to its own set of rules for more than an episode.


This man speaks the truth.

Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol.
 
02-14-12, 12:32 PM

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Oh God, everyone is complaining about this show. @_@ Calm down.

Maybe my arguments won't be descent, but all I can think of is:

- Yes, Yuno used these pills to drug her parents and drag them into a cage. Simple.

- Just have a think about Yukiteru's situation. He is mentally weak because he has never experienced so much stress in his life. He's also only 14/15 years old, which means he can still be a little bit childish with his naive dreams. Remember Yuno? Her only motivation to live was protecting Yukki and becoming his wife.
Yukiteru has always been antisocial, silent, thought that life is meaningless. His little dream about seeing stars with his parents was his only wish and light in the hopeless life of his, as parents' separation was the worst thing that happened to him. It can seem stupid, but for some people these small, silly things really count.
Every diary holder already went through going from normal person to psycho. Not Amano because he on the other hand was thrown into a game where all his morals, beliefs and sanity were crushed down and putted in the bin. Throughout the game, he was becoming more and more mentally unstable.
Considering all these facts, let's come back to the actual scene, where Yukiteru 'forgave' his father. My opinion? He was desparate. If you remember the scene just before that, at home, when his injured whimpy-father bummed into house, Yukiteru was on the edge of hating and loving his father. He was so unstable, and even if his both sane and (slowly developing) insane side hated him, on the contrary he was still desparate for happiness in his life. AND WHO THE HELL HAVE EVER SAID HE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT HIS ACTUAL FEELINGS, WHEN HE DIDN'T KNOW HIMSELF? That's right, he has made up with his father. However don't mix up the events in the story. Just when he was saying that he forgives his dad's sins, what Yukki actually wants is to find some hope and light in the slowly decaying world he's in, even if on the inside Amano detestes Kurou. And when his whimpy dad apologized, Yukiteru's childish beliefs won again.
Subsequently Yukki's father got killed.
And Yukki went completely insane. Forgetting his sanity, he fell for the madness and naiveness in repairing the world by... Killing.
Yukiteru IS naive and weak, that's because he wasn't ready for being involved into a survival game like this. However, he has also become insane after a while. (Tell me, who became psycho from 'just like that'? Everyone have lost something in their lives/were traumatized)
Nobody will understand insane person's mind, until they won't become mad themselves.
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- ... This girl looking like Amano's mum? The only similarity is that they both have glasses (and different looking glasses additionaly). And both had long hair, oh right. Their personalities and eye colours are different, the shade of brown on their hair isn't the same as well. Maybe Sakae Esuno should change hair colour/fringe more, but isn't the rest is the case of Esuno-san having a specific and not so much varied style of drawing, so obviously girls with glasses will look somewhat similar...?

- Kurou didn't know that destroying son's phone means killing him. The only whimpy things that he did was escaping from the building and leaving his song alone, killing his mum and saying "I have no regrets". WTF man? Burn in hell.

- Why is Yuno a 'superhuman'? Well, because some people may have complaints, that in episode about 5th, Yuno had these superpowers and used them to find out where 5th's diary is. This is going to be a HUGE spoiler and you only get to know it near the end of manga, so I'm not responsible for any concequences of your actions.


- No, the third corpse isn't Wakaba's.

- Why is the police not arresting Minene or Yuno? Well, let's consider the fact, what happened with 4th. Also, they are both diary holders and interrupting the game may cause more trouble than advantage. Also, everyone knows that the detective in secretly in love with Minene-san ~

I think that's all.
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02-14-12, 1:07 PM

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great episode, a big jump and revelation has been made, now Yukki will start being badass? :D Gassai Yuno emergency use card, she is now basically a slave
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02-14-12, 4:00 PM

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Monochrome said:
Silent_Scream said:
Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?
The sleeping pills were shown for a reason.

Oh sorry, might have had my palm on my face when that scene appeared.

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Because Guilty Crown's inconsistencies ARE worse than this show. Complain all you want, but what happens in this show is actually more consistent than people give it credit for. Yuki was always forgiving. The police were always incompetent (Ninth is walking around free for god's sake). And is it really that hard to believe that Yuki's dad realized what he did after he killed somebody?

GC is, and always will be, worse than this show because it never sticks to its own set of rules for more than an episode.

It's not about the consistency, it's the absurd level of stupidity. Both shows have a certain degree of stupidity and I know Guilty Crown breaks its own set rules without explaining anything but the stupidity in Mirai Nikki is beyond tolerable (there's proof in what you have stated). For people with a healthy mind, it is becoming very unhealthy, good thing this is aired weekly because if someone had to watch all of this in a day or two, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a full retard himself.
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02-14-12, 4:53 PM

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Oh my, Yuno's smile when she said she'd be ready to die anytime was so... ooooh. ;A; I love the song in the background from this part.
 
02-14-12, 6:15 PM

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It's not about the consistency, it's the absurd level of stupidity. Both shows have a certain degree of stupidity and I know Guilty Crown breaks its own set rules without explaining anything but the stupidity in Mirai Nikki is beyond tolerable (there's proof in what you have stated). For people with a healthy mind, it is becoming very unhealthy, good thing this is aired weekly because if someone had to watch all of this in a day or two, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a full retard himself.


Yeah, I never said that this anime wasn't stupid, but it's definitely NOT inconsistent (or not THAT inconsistent). That was the complaint a bunch of people had. And the reason I tolerate the stupidity is because at least the show knows it's being stupid and just runs with it, ala Code Geass. Also, the show has enough interesting things in it to distract you from the stupidity, as a good pulp story does. For example, not many people bother remembering that Ninth should be in jail because she's so awesome. Plus, the bunny thing and the fact that Yuki actually had the guts to confess to a girl (who looked like his mom) were entertaining enough, even though I agree that the stuff with Yuki and his dad worked better in the manga.

On the whole, Guilty Crown probably doesn't go as stupid as this anime. But it is definitely more inconsistent, and on top of that, I can't remember anything really good in it to distract me from its stupidity. But this isn't the GC thread, so all I'll say is it depends on what people prefer: stupidity or inconsistency. I prefer stupidity, especially when it doesn't actually slow down the story, as honestly, the show seems to be good at incorporating the stupidity into the story's pace pretty well.
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02-14-12, 6:43 PM

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My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

So Yukiteru knows that his dad killed mommy dearest and it's totally cool cause y'know, his dad wanted to see the stars one last time and apologized for it. Hell, he even says he has no regrets. I don't fucking know... maybe killing your ex-wife is a regret? No? Oh, okay. And lol at Yukiteru FINALLY doing something on his own. Holy fuck, what a long ass wait that was. Too bad it took him this long to actually start growing a set, he's still a terrible crybaby. If anything, his character evolution is even worse than Shu's.

And really, are the police really this fucking incompetent? Nishijima finds bodies at Yuno's house and he fucking doesn't even arrest her? Instead he's just 'LOL LET'S GO GET SOME COFFEE YUNO WHILE I INQUIRE ABOUT YOUR DEAD PARENTS AND THIS MYSTERY BODY THAT YOU PROCURED'. How much influence does this moron even have to keep so many cops from spilling the beans all over this girl?


Agree. The police, and the show and general now, is really starting to piss me off. It's been pulling shit like this for a while which I haven't really been happy about but this is just too much. It's not like with the cult crap where stuff might have been made complicated (for the police) with all the chaos, they actually have bodies. The result? A casual questioning in a damn coffee shop. Not only they but she's 14 and there just let her run around and do whatever she wants. If she was in the supervision of someone that might be one thing, not that it'd make it that much better, but she isn't. Yukiteru is also alone for that matter and they just let him run around too. Damn.

It's to the point that I'd like this say this is the last straw for me but it's episode 18 already. In a bit too deep to just give up now.

Also with you on Yukiteru and his dad but hell Yukiteru has always been really wishy-washy (he does complete turn a rounds for no solid reason a lot) so I can't really say I'm that surprised. Pretty much expected it. As for his father, guess he got his? The no regrets thing got me, too. He doesn't regret killing her because he kneeled down in front of a picture? Please. This is the same guy that choose himself over his own son (jumping from the tower), though, so I can't say I'm surprised there either.
 
02-14-12, 7:04 PM

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The only problem in this episode was that I felt the "fight" scene after they killed Yukiteru's dad was more intense in the manga.
 
02-14-12, 7:20 PM

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Let's forgive the guy who killed your mother, right Yukiteru? How dumb.

Am I the only one here happy that Yukiteru's dad was killed? Even if he wasn't responsible, which I still think he is, I never liked him.

Yukiteru said that they know where 8th is? I feel like I missed an important detail that told them where 8th is, but I don't remember hearing it. I remember that they went to 8th's place with a search warrant, but how did they know where to look? I might to re watch those episodes.
 
02-14-12, 7:28 PM

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This is probably a small thing. But I noticed that during the scene where Yuno knocks Yuki,and he is on the floor that the people behind him and that other girl weren't moving when they should have. Though maybe I'm wrong.
 
02-14-12, 7:39 PM

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Silent_Scream said:
Retarded moment 2: How in the hell did Yuno got her parents to crawl into that cage?


I think she gave them sleeping pills. I felt the show was really getting inconsistent, and that it's becoming more random and not on par with the manga. I didn't like the flashback either, it's getting so serious but its always so gay, they could of spend more time on emphasizing Yuki's present with his dad and shit...
 
02-14-12, 7:41 PM

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Late on replying but damn, this episode was quite something. One moment, it's silly and funny with Yuno running after Yuki in a pink bunny suit. The next moment, you see Yuki's dad getting stabbed and dying from the wound. Best of both worlds.
 
02-14-12, 8:38 PM

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A very mixed bag in this one!

I hate the scenes where Yuno is psychotically controlling Yukki, even from afar ... but at least we finally know what broke her tiny little mind. Being literally locked in a cage and starved by her parents ... Strict Asian Parents indeed. Plus it was kinda LOLtastic seeing her in an angry bunny costume. Especially the end when Murmur turned the tables on her!

Yukki did go badass on the 11ths, but yeah, his character switcharound was pretty unrealistic. "I know you killed Mom, you bastard! ... Oh damn, you're crying. My bad, let's have a coffee before the cops come." Even though Yukki does seem quite willing to forgive his enemies, at least until this point, that was pretty extreme.

It also just served to show that the 'causality continuum' HATES Yukki. The second he manages to come to terms with his father (who may or may not have stabbed his mom ... he never did actually own up to it, nor did we see it happen), he's murdered in front of him. Then Yukki goes all Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass on the lot of 'em.

We also finally find out what Yuno's 'plan' is once it's just the two of them ... she seems to have no qualms whatsoever with sacrificing herself for Yukki's sake, though whether she'll follow through on those words is another story ... and there's only a few diary holders left (besides 11th's network), and Deus isn't lasting much longer. His eyeball looks like it's about to fall out ... that's not a good sign. In fact, since there doesn't seem to be anything at all holding it there, it should've fallen out already ...

Can't wait for the climax! I've glimpsed a spoiler here and there, but have no idea what's gonna happen next!

EDIT: Also, I see a lot of people bitching about Yukki's weakness in the series, ignoring he's a nonviolent-but-antisocial teenager who isn't *used* to fighting for his life from psychotics foretelling the future. Put any of you in the same situation (especially as a mild-mannered Japanese teenager) and I'm sure you won't immediately slap on some awesome shades, a red cape and start screaming "WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM?", but be running in mortal terror for your life.

Such characters don't do much for people who prefer protagonists along the lines of Guts from Berserk, who's as insanely tough as he is BECAUSE of his extreme life. But not everybody can be a hot-blooded Badass Out of Hell who's lived their entire life devoted to beating people up for whatever cause (becoming the strongest, usually). The fact that Yukki is the LEAST badass of all the Diary owners, makes it all the more remarkable that he keeps surviving again and again. Largely due to either his wits, luck (if written badly) or Yuno, who also deconstructs just how much trauma and madness you'd have to go through to be an anime-level Badass.
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02-14-12, 10:48 PM

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Agree. The police, and the show and general now, is really starting to piss me off. It's been pulling shit like this for a while which I haven't really been happy about but this is just too much. It's not like with the cult crap where stuff might have been made complicated (for the police) with all the chaos, they actually have bodies. The result? A casual questioning in a damn coffee shop. Not only they but she's 14 and there just let her run around and do whatever she wants. If she was in the supervision of someone that might be one thing, not that it'd make it that much better, but she isn't. Yukiteru is also alone for that matter and they just let him run around too. Damn.

Also with you on Yukiteru and his dad but hell Yukiteru has always been really wishy-washy (he does complete turn a rounds for no solid reason a lot) so I can't really say I'm that surprised. Pretty much expected it. As for his father, guess he got his? The no regrets thing got me, too. He doesn't regret killing her because he kneeled down in front of a picture? Please. This is the same guy that choose himself over his own son (jumping from the tower), though, so I can't say I'm surprised there either.


Okay, I'm getting tired of these complaints, so let me address them. Keep in mind, I'm looking at the manga version of this episode for this, so if it didn't translate well into the anime, that's the anime's problem.

The reason the police aren't keeping Yuno under watch is because quite frankly, they have no real reason to. Yeah, they found the corpses, but Yuno practically lied her way out of taking the blame for that by saying how she didn't know how they got there (remember the fact that she seems to alter her memories at will to avoid blame?). That police guy threatened that when they identified the corpses (especially the third body), she wouldn't be able to lie out of it. I don't think that scene was put in the anime, so just chalk it up as Asread skipping that detail. Granted, Yuno's lying her way out is stupid in its own right, but until the third body is identified, she's roaming free.

And if you're wondering why the police aren't supervising her, this story takes place in fucking Japan. The Japanese legal system is a little different in that country. You can't exactly have Japanese police tail a kid, even when they're suspected of criminal charges. That's a job for people like the FBI. (note, I could be wrong on this, but I do know that the Japanese law system is a little less intrusive than the ones in America).

As for the problem people have with Yuki's dad not having regrets...really? Did it not occur to anybody that he meant he had no regrets with turning himself in? Because that's not exactly a hard thing to interpret. He stabbed his ex-wife, he regretted it, he prayed, he planned to turn himself in so he could start over with Yuki again...what exactly is there to get? As I said, maybe the pacing and Yuki's dad's VA wasn't exactly helping, but it's not that hard to understand.

And that's pretty much the justifications for those two big complaints about this episode. Again, I was using the manga for this, so it probably didn't carry over well. And the justifications probably aren't that good in the first place. But that's why in a nutshell.
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Flawfinder said:
Okay, I'm getting tired of these complaints, so let me address them. Keep in mind, I'm looking at the manga version of this episode for this, so if it didn't translate well into the anime, that's the anime's problem.

The reason the police aren't keeping Yuno under watch is because quite frankly, they have no real reason to. Yeah, they found the corpses, but Yuno practically lied her way out of taking the blame for that by saying how she didn't know how they got there (remember the fact that she seems to alter her memories at will to avoid blame?). That police guy threatened that when they identified the corpses (especially the third body), she wouldn't be able to lie out of it. I don't think that scene was put in the anime, so just chalk it up as Asread skipping that detail. Granted, Yuno's lying her way out is stupid in its own right, but until the third body is identified, she's roaming free.

And if you're wondering why the police aren't supervising her, this story takes place in fucking Japan. The Japanese legal system is a little different in that country. You can't exactly have Japanese police tail a kid, even when they're suspected of criminal charges. That's a job for people like the FBI. (note, I could be wrong on this, but I do know that the Japanese law system is a little less intrusive than the ones in America).

As for the problem people have with Yuki's dad not having regrets...really? Did it not occur to anybody that he meant he had no regrets with turning himself in? Because that's not exactly a hard thing to interpret. He stabbed his ex-wife, he regretted it, he prayed, he planned to turn himself in so he could start over with Yuki again...what exactly is there to get? As I said, maybe the pacing and Yuki's dad's VA wasn't exactly helping, but it's not that hard to understand.

And that's pretty much the justifications for those two big complaints about this episode. Again, I was using the manga for this, so it probably didn't carry over well. And the justifications probably aren't that good in the first place. But that's why in a nutshell.


You really expect me to believe that the Japanese legal system is really that incompetent? Sorry but no. Since the start of things Yuno has been in the middle of everything. How many students at school died because of her? How many cult members did she kill? Etc, etc. Then of course we get to the best thing and something that impossible to ignore by anyone, how much chaos did she cause in the police station? Then there's the bodies in her house and her dead parents. There's no way I'm going to believe the police would just ignore her, a minor with no supervision what so ever, leaving her to her own devices. As I said, maybe I could buy it a little if she was in the custody of an adult but she doesn't even have that going for her.

As for her talking her way out of things, give me a break. If it was so easy to talk your way out of murder there would be no one in prison. You might be able to deflect a little, especially with help, but to be involved in things time after time without consequence is ridiculous. Yukiteru's position at this point isn't that much better. He might not have racked up the body count Yuno has but he's been involved in just as many things, he has no parents now, and he even shot a cop. He has also started leaving bodies, too.
 
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Yuki finally manned up. Yuno running around in a bunny costume was definitely amusing as well.
 
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You really expect me to believe that the Japanese legal system is really that incompetent? Sorry but no. Since the start of things Yuno has been in the middle of everything. How many students at school died because of her? How many cult members did she kill? Etc, etc. Then of course we get to the best thing and something that impossible to ignore by anyone, how much chaos did she cause in the police station? Then there's the bodies in her house and her dead parents. There's no way I'm going to believe the police would just ignore her, a minor with no supervision what so ever, leaving her to her own devices. As I said, maybe I could buy it a little if she was in the custody of an adult but she doesn't even have that going for her.

As for her talking her way out of things, give me a break. If it was so easy to talk your way out of murder there would be no one in prison. You might be able to deflect a little, especially with help, but to be involved in things time after time without consequence is ridiculous. Yukiteru's position at this point isn't that much better. He might not have racked up the body count Yuno has but he's been involved in just as many things, he has no parents now, and he even shot a cop. He has also started leaving bodies, too.


Okay you got me, as even Ninth is under police surveillance (in the fact that she's working for them at the moment). It also brings up the question as to where the hell is Yuno staying? I doubt she's staying at home at the moment, considering the activity going on there.
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02-15-12, 11:10 AM

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..he actually killed a few people..holy..shit..
...dude...

I feel like..really sad that he's practically an orphan now Dx This episode almost brought me to tears. Like..shit man..He's gonna start turning into a real psycho and flat out start killing people.
 
02-15-12, 12:13 PM

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The animation's artwork 's just getting worse and worse , that's all I can say.

And for Yukiteru, is he a complete fool !?
He knew for sure that his dad killed his mom, yet he decided to forgive it damn so easily, and even implied that he wanted to stay together with his mother's murderer again once the guy( I mean, his dad ) served his sentence in jail.

NO WAY
The only peaceful solution I can think of is to bear his dad no grudge, but cut down the father-son relationship for once and for all, and let the karma take its role.

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02-15-12, 12:21 PM

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Whahaha, Yuuno as that rabbit and that little kid, totally brilliant. Whoa, Yuki finally turned somewhat into a man.
 
02-15-12, 1:30 PM

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Wait, wasn't the MC supposed to be the shy guy? How come he suddenly had the balls to confess back then? Oh well, my guess is that the scene was put in only because higher ups requested a valentines day-related scene anyway.
 
02-15-12, 2:11 PM

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My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

So Yukiteru knows that his dad killed mommy dearest and it's totally cool cause y'know, his dad wanted to see the stars one last time and apologized for it. Hell, he even says he has no regrets. I don't fucking know... maybe killing your ex-wife is a regret? No? Oh, okay. And lol at Yukiteru FINALLY doing something on his own. Holy fuck, what a long ass wait that was. Too bad it took him this long to actually start growing a set, he's still a terrible crybaby. If anything, his character evolution is even worse than Shu's.

And really, are the police really this fucking incompetent? Nishijima finds bodies at Yuno's house and he fucking doesn't even arrest her? Instead he's just 'LOL LET'S GO GET SOME COFFEE YUNO WHILE I INQUIRE ABOUT YOUR DEAD PARENTS AND THIS MYSTERY BODY THAT YOU PROCURED'. How much influence does this moron even have to keep so many cops from spilling the beans all over this girl?


This is exactly how i felt about the previous episodes of this show. Full of stupid shit like that, but i finally turned off my bullshit detector and i just roll with whatever comes my way. That's probably why i actually liked this episode.


Simply put, Yukki can't dissapoint any more.

I think that Yuno would be a much cooler goddess, she knows what she wants and how to get it.
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Yukki actually did something badass!

Yuno's past was pretty messed up.
 
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For you people complaining about Yukki forgiving his dad so suddenly, I'm pretty sure Yukki never had any solid evidence that his dad did it. His diary said the cops want to arrest his father on suspicion of murder. It is SUSPICION. Yukki himself might not entirely believe it so he is able to forgive his father while thinking it was a mistake.

That said, I can't read the moon runes on Yukki's phone at the time so dunno if the subs translated that correctly.

I don't remember what exactly happened in the manga at this moment. I don't think Yukki knew his dad really was the murderer. He was just trying to call his dad out for it and see if it was true or not.
 
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I liked this episode, though there were some irritations:

+Bunny Suit Yuno
+Yuno Backstory
+ Dead Yuki's dad
+Badass Yuki

-Yuki patches up his dad
-Yuki FORGIVES HIS ASS SO QUICKLY AFTER HE NOT ONLY TRIED TO KILL HIM, BUT HIS MOTHER (And succeeded with his mom)
-Nishijima doesn't arrest Yuno. What.

Yeah....well anyway, informative episode nonetheless...
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For you people complaining about Yukki forgiving his dad so suddenly, I'm pretty sure Yukki never had any solid evidence that his dad did it. His diary said the cops want to arrest his father on suspicion of murder. It is SUSPICION. Yukki himself might not entirely believe it so he is able to forgive his father while thinking it was a mistake.

That said, I can't read the moon runes on Yukki's phone at the time so dunno if the subs translated that correctly.

I don't remember what exactly happened in the manga at this moment. I don't think Yukki knew his dad really was the murderer. He was just trying to call his dad out for it and see if it was true or not.

That was completely idiotic in Yukki's part if it wasn't clear enough that his dad killed his mom. Add the fact that he knew his dad was trying to kill him. Bullshit scriptwriting = bullshit. I don't see any logical explanation that could explain this. You could if you dumb it down to Mirai Nikki's retardedness.

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Yeah, I never said that this anime wasn't stupid, but it's definitely NOT inconsistent (or not THAT inconsistent). That was the complaint a bunch of people had. And the reason I tolerate the stupidity is because at least the show knows it's being stupid and just runs with it, ala Code Geass. Also, the show has enough interesting things in it to distract you from the stupidity, as a good pulp story does. For example, not many people bother remembering that Ninth should be in jail because she's so awesome. Plus, the bunny thing and the fact that Yuki actually had the guts to confess to a girl (who looked like his mom) were entertaining enough, even though I agree that the stuff with Yuki and his dad worked better in the manga.

On the whole, Guilty Crown probably doesn't go as stupid as this anime. But it is definitely more inconsistent, and on top of that, I can't remember anything really good in it to distract me from its stupidity. But this isn't the GC thread, so all I'll say is it depends on what people prefer: stupidity or inconsistency. I prefer stupidity, especially when it doesn't actually slow down the story, as honestly, the show seems to be good at incorporating the stupidity into the story's pace pretty well.

I'd have to go with Guilty Crown's inconsistency against this one since the only thing that's consistent with Mirai Nikki is its stupidity.
 
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5layer said:
For you people complaining about Yukki forgiving his dad so suddenly, I'm pretty sure Yukki never had any solid evidence that his dad did it. His diary said the cops want to arrest his father on suspicion of murder. It is SUSPICION. Yukki himself might not entirely believe it so he is able to forgive his father while thinking it was a mistake.

That said, I can't read the moon runes on Yukki's phone at the time so dunno if the subs translated that correctly.

I don't remember what exactly happened in the manga at this moment. I don't think Yukki knew his dad really was the murderer. He was just trying to call his dad out for it and see if it was true or not.

That was completely idiotic in Yukki's part if it wasn't clear enough that his dad killed his mom. Add the fact that he knew his dad was trying to kill him. Bullshit scriptwriting = bullshit. I don't see any logical explanation that could explain this. You could if you dumb it down to Mirai Nikki's retardedness.


The logic is two fold. One, he's never been shown to be very bright and hardly ever actually thinks things through. Two, he has the convictions of an empty plastic bag. Even the smallest breeze will send him flying the other way. Him completely changing his position on things and just being wishy-washy in general has been a norm through the series.

I don't think it makes him inconsistent because I've never seen him actually state strong views on much of anything in the first place. Now you can still argue that that mades a bad character or even a badly written one but that's another story. I do think he has been far too weak willed, though.
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This episode was awesome :)
It's so romantic that Yuno will die for Yuki so he can become God. And too bad Yuki's dad died. but we know 11th was behind it somehow.
 
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Yuno is such a nice girl. ;___;
 
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Finally, an explanation as to why her parents are dead.

Eager to find out who the third skeleton belongs too though...

also very nice to see Yuki growing some damn balls.
 
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This anime is starting to become unbelievable. Literally, I mean how do you forgive your Dad for killing your Mom in less than 5 minutes. I don't get it. Did the writer just get lazy as hell and say; ''well he can grieve for a few minutes, but, he'll bounce right back''. What the hell. The only thing I can really say I enjoyed about this episode was the backstory to Yuno's past. Even though it was pretty predictable. And I'm almost sure this episode was a minute shorter than usual. It felt like it went by way too fast. Looking forward to the next!


I was way too pissed at that has well >_> . But YES they kill him, he's no father to me :p. Finally Yukki fought like he was suppose to many episodes ago. And he still wants to bring his dad back after all of that....seriously ? Yuno backstory was awesome, we can't actually blame her for being yandere :) but hell that why I love her.
 
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Wow, having read the manga, I now see how this episode is supposed to foreshadow the big twist. Can't wait.

But yeah, Yuki instantly forgiving his dead. "O hey, u killed mum, but no prob."

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Knave said:
Wasabi said:
My god, this show has some of the worst inconsistencies. And people whine about Guilty Crown being terrible.

So Yukiteru knows that his dad killed mommy dearest and it's totally cool cause y'know, his dad wanted to see the stars one last time and apologized for it. Hell, he even says he has no regrets. I don't fucking know... maybe killing your ex-wife is a regret? No? Oh, okay. And lol at Yukiteru FINALLY doing something on his own. Holy fuck, what a long ass wait that was. Too bad it took him this long to actually start growing a set, he's still a terrible crybaby. If anything, his character evolution is even worse than Shu's.

And really, are the police really this fucking incompetent? Nishijima finds bodies at Yuno's house and he fucking doesn't even arrest her? Instead he's just 'LOL LET'S GO GET SOME COFFEE YUNO WHILE I INQUIRE ABOUT YOUR DEAD PARENTS AND THIS MYSTERY BODY THAT YOU PROCURED'. How much influence does this moron even have to keep so many cops from spilling the beans all over this girl?


This is exactly how i felt about the previous episodes of this show. Full of stupid shit like that, but i finally turned off my bullshit detector and i just roll with whatever comes my way. That's probably why i actually liked this episode.


^this, I did this long ago for this show, you really cannot enjoy it if you think logically so just turn the brain off and enjoy.

Also, what's with this anime and stargazing?
 
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The show is getting more, and more devoid of any signs of logic. The "You killed my mum, but that's okay - I forgive you" moment made me question the reason why I'm still watching this.
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Does anyone else find Yukiteru to be one of the most annoying characters ever- like I hope Yuna's obsessio nwill drive her to kill him that'd be epic
Also I don't like their "romance" or w/e
yeah and i would come back fro mteh dead and slap the living crap out of my kids if they forgave their fathers for killing me- like no. i don't give a crap what he said---- his character development is one of the worst- he better become an amazing badass from here on out
 
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Damn, This anime is pretty dumb......

1. Why the fuck that inspector-san didn't arrest Yuno. In fact they found three skeletons from her house, and in a previous episode I remember that genius kid warning Yuki that Yuno is a wanted criminal.

2. And that inconsistency in that dad's personality. He left his kid to die and stabbed his wife without any second thought and now after a day or two, he just wanted to be with his son again, and felt really sorry for his actions.

And still people think this anime is awesome...... >.<
 
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I think the third skeleton is the old class president who yukiteru loved, it's so obvious.

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Damn, This anime is pretty dumb......

1. Why the fuck that inspector-san didn't arrest Yuno. In fact they found three skeletons from her house, and in a previous episode I remember that genius kid warning Yuki that Yuno is a wanted criminal.

2. And that inconsistency in that dad's personality. He left his kid to die and stabbed his wife without any second thought and now after a day or two, he just wanted to be with his son again, and felt really sorry for his actions.

And still people think this anime is awesome...... >.<

True, but still the general story if fun to watch and there aren't a lot of other animes (not that I know of) that have a lot of yandere stuff like this or mindfuck (I know a few, but I would to have more stuff like this).
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Scumbag dad died.

yeah Yuki shouldn't have forgiven his dad. hard to tell if the Dad was actually sorry or just still being a scumbag. it's Yuki's character though, he's extremely gullible, and very trusting. not the smartest kid but

yeah in just a short time, this kid has had everything changed. both his parents murdered. he has an insane stalker girl following him constantly and he's killed people. yeah, his sanity has got to be shot.

oh and evil Yuno being evil. sure her parents were pretty bad, but she's a sick little bitch. murdering her parents and many others.

if the police know, then yeah Yuno should have been imprisoned a long time ago for all her crimes.
 
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It's not completely implausible, just unreasonable.

No matter how much of a scum your dad is, even if he nailed your mother, he's still a dad, yo. Besides, Yukiteru was extremely spoiled. He didn't know anything about why his parents divorced, he even let his dad home although he was already expected of murder. AT that point, you know he will easily forgive if his dad shows apparent honesty in his actions.

You really can't argue about logic. People seem to forget humans rarely act on rationality solely. Given Yukiteru's previous actions and beliefs, this is pretty consistent with his action uptil now, if only the stakes were raised (his dad killed his mom? That's effed up, BUT considering how Yukiteru STILL hang out with Yuno even though there was DEAD PEOPLE in her house, that's pretty much the samething.)

Now the one thing I need to mention is the inconsistency with 9th. Not locking her up even though she blew up an entire school, not locking her up even though she set a bomb DIRECTLY STATED by her when the hospital floor exploded, her wtf, honor?-perspective on things even though she did all those actions earlier in the show. The only way to explain her bipolar/contradictory actions is again, human irrationality. But that's usually the last safehouse when you know scriptwriting has failed on a number of levels for viewers to criticize the glaring lack of consistency.

The unreasonable part comes from the lack of explanation. I think this is due to time restraint, the anime wants to end around episode 24-26, probably. Why can't anime be like death note? End on an odd 37? His dad could easily add a few dialogues, maybe some brief backstory, to make it seem consistent. "I didn't mean to kill her..." Make Yukiteru's actions more plausible, this is all possible.

As for incompetence in the police, this is normally given in any shows that focus on the criminals rather than the police. It's a lame plot device, but it's nothing to condemn the show over. It is a flaw though. Because usually in police dramas, the criminals are awesome but the police are SUPER AWESOME and fully justified and perfectly rational detectives relying on their charisma and deduction.

Walls of texts aside, it seems things are going to be more intense. Yukiteru finally have a goal to strive towards. I'm glad I didn't read the manga before I watched this, however I think I will because some intricacies are glanced over due to lack of time constraint.

I'm already thinking of the wish he will make if he wins. Probably since 4th died (he was the first diary owner who wasn't a complete psycho). I wonder if the story will surprise me.
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