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02-13-12, 9:23 AM

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...Well, if I did not read it wrongly.I think they did return back the goods to the insurance company(even Kane also mentioned that as well) since the goods the passenger at princess apricot pay high insurance for their flight.I only read vol1(ep1-ep6) but maybe they will mentioned how they really earn the money later on. Maybe kidnapping a few passenger for ransom would be a good idea lol


Are you sure they are not selling back the items to the insurance company? It would make more sense this way.
To have money, they would need to sell the valuables and a shop would buy for below the original buying price whereas the insurance, since they would need to reimburse the full price for the items+their "sentimental value", so it would be cheaper for the insurance to buy the items back to give them to the insured passengers while the pirates could ask a better sell price.
 
02-13-12, 9:49 AM

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Insurance companies...

Not following the discussion there. I've not read the printed source material for this show, so I can't talk to that. What *I* got out of the raid was the following:

1) The officers of the Bentenmaru have picked out an easy prize for Marika's first official act as a pirate. Having paid attention to Misa's history lesson earlier, I assume it is a ship flagged by one of the other colonies that Sea of the Morning Star maintains a low level conflict with (carried over from the wars fought before the Galactic Empire took over), using the privateers as proxies to avoid causing to much trouble with the Galactic Empire authorities. Again, according to Misa's history lesson, the Galactic Empire tends to overlook such things as long as they don't get out of hand, since they don't want the expense of policing everybody.

2) Kane went ahead to get onto the target ship to act as a normal passenger, but with the plan that when Marika arrived he would challenge her to a duel. She would eventually "shoot" him to give the passengers the impression that death would be the fate of any passengers that resisted. Intimidation, pure and simple.

3) Kane seems to be thinking of himself as a lady's man (hinted at a couple of times so far, though in his defense he is single), and was flirting with those two girls. When they became distressed at the idea of being robbed, he off-handily mentioned that the cruise company's insurance would reimburse them for losses on the trip. Regardless, it fit in with his intended role of gallant hero who would try to save the day (all gallant heroes have to reassure the ladies - it's a rule).

4) the passengers reactions to the arrival of the pirates gave every indication they either though it would be a cool adventure, or it was something organized by the cruise company - seems reasonable if "everybody" assumes pirates are a thing of the past. Kane's "death" changed their reactions 180 degrees - you can see their mouths hitting the floor in the background as his body hits the floor.

5) The crew of the Bentenmaru takes in a small pile of cash, jewels and expensive accessories. Most likely not enough to cover expenses for the month, but something is better than nothing. Randoms would be messy so no hostages were taken. The ship itself would be difficult to fence, and it wasn't carrying any cargo worth taking, so the ship was let go along with the passengers.

Nothing more, nothing less. I did not get an impression that the pirates were in any deal with the cruise company, any insurance company, or otherwise. The execution certainly was flashy, but pirates historically were a flashy bunch. I really wish the show had clarified just exactly what the status of the target ship was, but they probably didn't feel that was necessary.
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02-13-12, 3:45 PM

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I'm gonna get thrown under the bus for this but I feel like Mouretsu Pirates is similarly doing to Pirates what Twilight did to Vampires. Just taking a warp perspective on a idea to please a specific audience type.


oh than we should start with XIX century literature :) as then our picture of pirate was developed... and all movies, books and series from then repeat same stories and fairy tales (like 80% of things we think they were doing)

BTW if someone wants to check how it was really happening there is story of Nuestra Señora de la Concepción - - few shots, good PR and no unnecessary problems to deal with (like wounded crew-members dying around)

and nice quote rounding things up


No idea what you just said but I understood your "spoiler".

Have you even seen Ep.6? There's just so many things wrong about their "pirating" they seem to have purposely included to please the PG-13 fans. I also am confused as to why "Legal Pirates" need to operate under jurisdiction if they are just going to rob other ships. That's just a poor business model.

At this point it just seems like a bunch of hypocrites playing Pirates. They carry about like there's there's no risk in robbery just because their protected by some words written on a piece of paper. I'm waiting for things to hit the fan and get real, none of this "space fairy tail, no one gets hurt, killing is immoral" shtick they have going on.
 
02-13-12, 3:58 PM

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LordLagann said:

Have you even seen Ep.6?


Nope. Should I?

There's just so many things wrong about their "pirating" they seem to have purposely included to please the PG-13 fans. I also am confused as to why "Legal Pirates" need to operate under jurisdiction if they are just going to rob other ships. That's just a poor business model.


Than go check on what is the difference between pirate and privateer. And why most succesfull people in this job were working for one state or another, they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable.

At this point it just seems like a bunch of hypocrites playing Pirates. They carry about like there's there's no risk in robbery just because their protected by some words written on a piece of paper. I'm waiting for things to hit the fan and get real, none of this "space fairy tail, no one gets hurt, killing is immoral" shtick they have going on.


Than it seems that what you want is that it would follow some fairy tales of bloody battles on seas - fine by me. And that whole training part, it indicated that they are quite serious about it.
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02-13-12, 4:27 PM

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Nope. Should I?


Yeah you should...


Than go check on what is the difference between pirate and privateer. And why most succesfull people in this job were working for one state or another, they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable.


There is no moral difference. They both steal, raid, and loot. Just because one has permission to doesn't mean their any different then the people who don't. As far as profiting goes there's just no sense if there are labels you must abide by in ships to loot from and ships you don't. Your basically slashing profits by limiting your market, which blows your "wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable" bit out of the water.

Than it seems that what you want is that it would follow some sea fairy tales of bloody battles on seas - fine by me. And that whole training part, it indicated that they are quite serious about it.


I'm not talking about the training part, it's understandable that they start off with some small fish so the new and inexperienced captain would get the hang of things. It's how they did it, or how the direction of the entire scene went, that bothers me.

I mean seriously? There were no guards from the cruise line, no intimidating or malice intent from the pirate crew members, or the fact that it was staged makes me question the authenticity of this "practice run" when a real run would involve completely different variables [I.E actually hurting someone].

What I look forward to doesn't have to be bloody, just has to be real; has to be raw, unscripted, natural. Everything so far seems to coincide with the premise of the story but Ep.6 just made no sense, or at least they left about crucial details and masquerade everything to seem like your watching a PG-13 space version of Pirates from the 1700's.
 
02-13-12, 4:55 PM

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So hilarious and over the top, I loved it!
 
02-13-12, 4:56 PM

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There is no moral difference. They both steal, raid, and loot. Just because one has permission to doesn't mean their any different then the people who don't. As far as profiting goes there's just no sense if there are labels you must abide by in ships to loot from and ships you don't. Your basically slashing profits by limiting your market, which blows your "wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't profitable" bit out of the water.


With first part I agree there is no difference. They do the same thing.
About second... if you just rob everyone, quite quickly you may angry a lot of people who can send few well armed ships against you. In a short run it's more profitable but things like bounties put on you, lack of supply may be problematic.
On the other side you lose part of money, yes... but you may bothered by less oponents, go to some port for supplies or even if you're good enough get some reward.
And my argument is perfectly fine - since lots of people were doing this in history.


I mean seriously? There were no guards from the cruise line, no intimidating or malice intent from the pirate crew members, or the fact that it was staged makes me question the authenticity of this "practice run" when a real run would involve completely different variables [I.E actually hurting someone].


This I don't know - if it was staged than I might agree. But if it wasn't - killing someone is kind of good way to intimidate. What it was is up to everyones opinion.
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02-13-12, 5:26 PM

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With first part I agree there is no difference. They do the same thing.
About second... if you just rob everyone, quite quickly you may angry a lot of people who can send few well armed ships against you. In a short run it's more profitable but things like bounties put on you, lack of supply may be problematic.
On the other side you lose part of money, yes... but you may bothered by less oponents, go to some port for supplies or even if you're good enough get some reward.
And my argument is perfectly fine - since lots of people were doing this in history.


Your talking about two things that don't relate to each other.

A Pirate is FOR profit. Having bounties put on you and taking more risky endeavors is all apart of being a Pirate for the sake of loot.

A Privateer is anything BUT profit. They are take only what they are allowed to take and as much as they deem fit. Half of their job is to impose economical harassment on behalf of the government that they're employed under.

Your argument is not fine since you insisted that the crew is in it for profit, which clearly is wrong if they are true Privateer's and most likely have other aspirations as well.

It's reasonable since the war has ended that these "privateers" have lost their "duty" to the government and are merely parading around space playing pirates under the guise and protection of the privateer laws imposed hundreds of years ago.

This I don't know - if it was staged than I might agree. But if it wasn't - killing someone is kind of good way to intimidate. What it was is up to everyones opinion.


Things might clear up with the next episode as it might follow up on Ep.6. As of now it's just confusing as to what exactly they are doing and which side of the spectrum they belong to.
 
02-13-12, 6:18 PM

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Best episode of the show, easily.
 
02-13-12, 7:33 PM

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Aw, now there's non-centrifugal artificial gravity. I liked the illusion of moderately hard scifi.
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02-13-12, 8:25 PM

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Because of this episode this show went from an 8 to a 10! I LOVE THIS SHOW!!! This show knows EXACTLY what it wants to be. It's so straight forward and mixes action and comedy in this odd but brilliant way. I LOVED Marika's first pirating. I was laughing so hard. This show just makes me smile. This is one of THE best anime's I've seen period. simply splendid!!!!
 
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This episode really shows that Pirates has been one of the most consistent show’s this season, but it isn’t really a surprise as to why that’s the case. It’s evident with each episode the time the producers are taking to really prepare the series for when it does take off. And while they are doing a very solid job at developing the setting and Marika’s character, I do hope that some of the other crew member’s characters (specifically Chiaki) get the same treatment eventually. Chiaki in particular pikes my interest mainly because the show has introduced her in a way where one becomes naturally curious about her. The fact that she’s not a shy character, yet is voiced by Kana Hanazawa further adds to my curiosity.


 
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I think this series will have been worth the 5 episode wait. It was frustrating, but it has set up a nice pace. This episode was great my only complaint being the unusual reaction of the passengers (even if it was explained).

I wonder how long this 'newb' arc will be.
 
02-13-12, 9:36 PM

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The beach episode aversion in the opening scene was a stroke of absolute genius.
 
02-13-12, 9:58 PM

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Great fucking episode. Finally we get some actual pirating.
 
02-14-12, 1:48 AM

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This episode just made the all legendary space piracy a huge joke.
I agree with Wasabi in terms of Albator. I did find it offending towards that. I do hope it ups itself to some standards to Albator because that is #1 in Space Pirates animes.

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Lmfao that was hilarious, the lights shining on them, Marika walking elegantly, haha it was like a side attraction. Like Kane said, pirates are really rare at the time that they're in and actually getting robbed by one would be a once in a lifetime experience, especially when they don't lose nothing. So everyone thought of it as something fun, well until Kane got shot and faked his death lol.

This was a good way to introduce Marika into piracy, something easy and sort of like a practice run. I am sure there's gunna be some real fighting and etc later on, at least I hope. Marika's personality is just so awesome, and she sure looks good in that pirate outfit. I just love her, great mc. Anyway greatttttt episode, looking forward to more.
 
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Sure i know piracy isn't something that should be taken seriously in this show. And i'm not sure if i grasp everything that's going on, but is it me or the whole piracy's premise is so badly fucked up that it doesn't make sense?
How i undertand it by now is, pirates are oficially recognized by government that doesn't give a fuck about thier doings, but with a Letter or Marque the pirates aren't actually pirates yet they have to do some piracy within 50 days since receiving the letter. Then comes the thing with actual attack of pirate ships, people are happy they're getting robed by pirates and the ship they are on is going to cover their stolen valuables.

Seems like you just can't depend on logic in this one, let's just take it easy and enjoy whatever they do, i guess.


well basically they are not pirates but privateers - so all those state regulations make sense (like in did in past in reality), they can perform certain actions, some not but all is based on that documents made by government. That's why there is also part with all those documents.
and that scene of attack - for me it seems (if we need to apply logic here) as some kind of attraction that people can have during cruise, like clowns or trained animals - it's safe for passengers, as they won't loose life or money due to insurance, so they are happy to see such a show. Real life example would be hard to find... ok once I read about partisants in some Asian country (Nepal?) that were doing similar things to get money from tourists.
Of course all of above fits if we would like to take it 100% seriously :)


Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
And why would any insurance company agree to such a thing? Insurance companies will certainly have a problem paying for such attractions and will demand that ether the government stops giving a license to those pirates acting freely or that it doesn't have to pay in case of pirate theft. And if the insurance has a clause that gets it out of that problem then things get complicated about people seeing this pirates as a fun time.
Also i don't get why is the government even giving this pirates license to do their stuff.

Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.

Btw who let this guy escape from Gundam.

And that's a killer outfit that pirate lady had.
 
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Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
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Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.


And why not violence? They are pirates after all. If other crew won't buy their show and surrender than probably they will start shooting at them. In this case it didn't happen but electronic warfare looks rather like preparation for such an event.
Why the state is doing it? Well maybe in course of some war or something it's a waste to send your shiny and expensive ship while you can simply send some pirates, that no one will care if they are gone. Just guessing (real life example can also help here).
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Dalek-baka said:
Monad said:

Well even if it's considered as some kind of attraction there is a flaw in this whole thing. What if someone doesn't want to give his valuables? Maybe a woman things her diamond ring can't be replaced because it was given to her by her dead husband or something just for example purposes. What will they do then? Use actual violence against simple people?
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Anyway they are more like a theater group than pirates since doing pirating is actually nothing but a show.


And why not violence? They are pirates after all. If other crew won't buy their show and surrender than probably they will start shooting at them. In this case it didn't happen but electronic warfare looks rather like preparation for such an event.
Why the state is doing it? Well maybe in course of some war or something it's a waste to send your shiny and expensive ship while you can simply send some pirates, that no one will care if they are gone. Just guessing (real life example can also help here).


Well you forget this supposed pirates can go around because they are allowed to. Wouldn't killing innocent people change the happy little show to something more tragic and make the government think of their status twice since it will give the government a really bad image?
Also this pirate guys are training Marika to be their captain. They must very well realized what kind of person she is. She is not the kind tat will kill simple innocent people that refused to give a ring or a wallet so that really means that they do not consider such a problem even arising which is kind of ridiculous.
As about the shiny new ship. I hardly think overpower-full governments care much about that staff ether. They get everything from taxing people so they don't give a shit. Politicians won't send their children but other peoples children and ships are build by the money of other people so they care not.
 
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