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View Poll Results: Guilty Crown Episode 16 Discussion
5 out of 5: Loved it!
 
232 57.28%
4 out of 5: Liked it
 
76 18.77%
3 out of 5: It was OK
 
32 7.90%
2 out of 5: Disliked it
 
33 8.15%
1 out of 5: Hated it
 
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02-09-12, 3:35 PM

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I pretty much lost all interest in this show when I saw Gai being revived. Shu's acting like a total asshole and has lost his damn mind, and he is also trying too hard to be a badass (although it was a bit amusing to see that Funeral Parlor guy own him). Inori seems like she is turning into Mana, I guess. And it seems that Voids are the physical manifestations of a person's soul - so if it gets destroyed, that person will die. Also, the only people that are on the infected part of Tokyo are high school students. Yeah, that's believable (rolls eyes).

Overall I felt that this episode could have been much more compelling if the directors had continued right after where episode 15 left off instead of skipping a few days ahead. That way they could have shown an enraged Shu enforcing the Void Ranking system, forming the "Secret Service", and even alienating his classmates. A missed opportunity there.
 
02-09-12, 3:50 PM

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Gai revived? Knew that motherf*cker wouldn't stay dead.

Mana back? B*tch is a parasite. Of course she's back too.

Shu? Shu's just Shu, but f*cked in the face at the moment. Figuratively speaking of course.

This show . . . complete trainwreck descending deeper and deeper into the abyss. Cannot help but watch.

 
02-09-12, 3:57 PM

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Wowowowoh!!! This is taking a very dark turn! I like the way this is going. Shuu is going Lelouch, Inori is going psycho, something tells me Gai is coming back as Mana. There are a lot of Code Geass vibes, more than I can name. I do love this show. Going in this direction I can see Shuu dying in the end, I can see alot of dramatic tragedy striking many of the main cast, I can see some real mess going down!!! Can't wait, bring it on!!!
 
02-09-12, 4:18 PM

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Personally I think things are getting...retarded rather then "real". Went from 9/10 on my score to 5/10. I still hope Shu gets his ass killed at some point (soon), hes been a total dumbass the entire series and just keeps getting more and more so.
 
02-09-12, 4:19 PM

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This took a very dark turn. Although I liked seeing the two sides of Shu, like we did with Gai, his bit at the end made me think he's more insane than sane.
Inori took a dark twist as well, although we always knew she wasn't the same as her outward appearance.
Mana talking through Inori and Gai coming back, look's like the episodes to come will be interesting :D
 
02-09-12, 4:33 PM

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OMG she killed Sheryl Nome!
 
02-09-12, 4:38 PM

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People that expected Gai to come back in 3...2...1...
 
02-09-12, 5:02 PM

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Lulexiaa said:
SHU!!! STOP FUCKING PISSING ME THE FUCK OF YOU LITTLE PUSSY FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -_________________-

I FUCKING HATE HIS ASS NOW!!!!!!!!!! -_________-

GAI!!! FUCKING DESTORY HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -_____________-


He's actually improved. Albeit he's still reconstructing himself from the last episode. It's also insinuated twice this episode he's garnered an intense self-loathing.

He isn't a pussy as much as he's unstable and following a vastly flawed utilitarian mindset.

He's slowly turning into a byronic hero. I've actually yet to hate him, even when he was still pathetic and running away. I just like him now that he's slowly losing his mind, forcing himself to make harsh decisions and what has been molded into him as the 'archetypical leader'. He misinterpreted what being a leader is and is using Yahiro as a clutch and support beam.

I find this hatred for Shu even after he lost Hare arbitrary. He has gotten 'stronger' in some sense, but he isn't ruthless like Yahiro or Gai is. Yahiro even said it, "I'm not soft like Shu."

He's wearing a kingly mask to maintain order. Because he doesn't know how others might make the situation worse, so he's trying to redeem himself by hefting that weight around. At least, that's what I've guessworked from this episode. WMG, et cetera et cetera.
 
02-09-12, 5:13 PM

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Please tell me that i am the only 1 who

1. laughed when Souta almost died

2. wants to kill Shu for being a emo lelouch wannabee

3. wants to just destroy Inori's void

And finally who else watched Shu get punched almost a 1000 times
 
02-09-12, 5:13 PM

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Lolitha said:
Holy shit best episode ever!
I still dislike shu's Hitler like attitude.
I knew that Inori was yandere in disguise, looks like she absorbed Mana's evil side :D:D:D
Fuckyeah Gai is baaaaaaack <3


lol hitler attitude XD, thats a nice way to put it
thats the first thing that came to my mind when i heard about the secret service
 
02-09-12, 5:17 PM

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HOLY FCK!!! INORI

i paused the vid after that terrifying scene >.> Gotta breath

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02-09-12, 5:18 PM

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I hate this show.
I came in expecting Shu to mature like Simon did in Gurren Lagann and then for it to get awesome and exciting, but it just kept letting me down.
The opening made me get hype again cause I thought the new opening was kinda showing Shu was gonna become a really cool guy who wore Gai's coat, but he's not. WHY...? The only thing I can look forward to is Shu becoming a cool guy in the last 2 or 3 episodes, but I am going to dread the next couple of episodes. ;_;
IaMP with me.
 
02-09-12, 5:25 PM

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I have to admit that this episode was not as intense as I thought it was going to be. It had more explanations than action.

But now I can comfirm that what I thought was right: the reason Hare crystallized was because her void was broken. I also now know why people still faint when their voids are extracted, it's because as long as shu is the one hold/using it they are unconscious.

Furthermore, it seems that it's actually Yahiro who is incharge and Shu is just a figure head.

So now, from what I understand, Shu has now gone from super serious to just plain crazy, and Inori is a psycho killer. Oh... And Gai is back.

P.S.: I actually thought that Shu would be more cruel and heartless than he was in this episode, maybe next time.
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02-09-12, 5:43 PM

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Quick thoughts:

Shu acted like he was more dead then alive. We can definitely see shades of Gai in his behavior. But Gai had years of experience and a solid support team. Shu doesn't. Yahiro is lieing to him about important stuff. And Inori... Well Inori isn't herself and next to Shu, supporting, influencing him. Still, he wants to help, to save as many people as he can.

Go Ayase. She slapped Shu. He needed it. I still think that she is the only one that can reach Shu, get him back on the right track, since Hare died.

As for Argo. Yeah, he did beat Shu, but he's a trained fighter, Shu's not. He still sees the Shu of the past, hasn't had the chance see how he changed, has grown in the past weeks. Still Shu was able to shut him up with the simple question. What would you do in my place? Argo's the outsider, he doesn't know what has happened, what they needed to do to survive. It's easy to nit-pick when the burden isn't on your shoulders. In some ways, Argo was acting like Shu did when he first fell with Funeral Parlour.

Inori, in episode 14, when she Beat up/Killed those students. I wondered if, or how the events of episode 12 had effected, changed her. It appears that she's becoming Mana, or more percisely, 'The Queen'. Mana being Shu's loving Older sister. 'The Queen' is the Virus created/transfered Personality, the one set upon mating with Shu, at the time a 7 year old boy. Still, this is not the Inori from before episode 12. She's different and the scary part is that she next to Shu, supporting him, influencing him.

Yahiro, I don't know what to make of him. Is he on Shu's side, but giving him bad advice, which he believes to be right? Or is he trying to hurt Shu, because of what happened to his Brother? Or is he in league with Kiedo & Segai, pushing Shu towards their ultimate goal? Or is he under the Queen's/Inori's influence/control?

What is Keido's plan, his Goal? Is he still trying to become Adam to Inori/Mana's Eve? Why is Haruka helping him? And what did she mean when she said this was what Kurosu, Shu's Father, wanted?

Things are heating up. There's an Armada in the Pacific, heading towards Japan. Perhaps to stop Keido? Or maybe something else. I expect to see the third Leukocyte to come into play.

And let's not forget, Gai's back. Is he a clone? Or did they revive his body? If so, How did they get their hands on his Body?

What do you think?
Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?"

Watcman: "One who fears the dark."

"And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction.

"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be."

The Summoning Dark backed desperately into the alley, but the light followed it, burning it.

"And now," said the watchman, "get out of town."
 
02-09-12, 5:53 PM

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Articman said:
Quick thoughts:

Shu acted like he was more dead then alive. We can definitely see shades of Gai in his behavior. But Gai had years of experience and a solid support team. Shu doesn't. Yahiro is lieing to him about important stuff. And Inori... Well Inori isn't herself and next to Shu, supporting, influencing him. Still, he wants to help, to save as many people as he can.

Go Ayase. She slapped Shu. He needed it. I still think that she is the only one that can reach Shu, get him back on the right track, since Hare died.

As for Argo. Yeah, he did beat Shu, but he's a trained fighter, Shu's not. He still sees the Shu of the past, hasn't had the chance see how he changed, has grown in the past weeks. Still Shu was able to shut him up with the simple question. What would you do in my place? Argo's the outsider, he doesn't know what has happened, what they needed to do to survive. It's easy to nit-pick when the burden isn't on your shoulders. In some ways, Argo was acting like Shu did when he first fell with Funeral Parlour.

Inori, in episode 14, when she Beat up/Killed those students. I wondered if, or how the events of episode 12 had effected, changed her. It appears that she's becoming Mana, or more percisely, 'The Queen'. Mana being Shu's loving Older sister. 'The Queen' is the Virus created/transfered Personality, the one set upon mating with Shu, at the time a 7 year old boy. Still, this is not the Inori from before episode 12. She's different and the scary part is that she next to Shu, supporting him, influencing him.

Yahiro, I don't know what to make of him. Is he on Shu's side, but giving him bad advice, which he believes to be right? Or is he trying to hurt Shu, because of what happened to his Brother? Or is he in league with Kiedo & Segai, pushing Shu towards their ultimate goal? Or is he under the Queen's/Inori's influence/control?

What is Keido's plan, his Goal? Is he still trying to become Adam to Inori/Mana's Eve? Why is Haruka helping him? And what did she mean when she said this was what Kurosu, Shu's Father, wanted?

Things are heating up. There's an Armada in the Pacific, heading towards Japan. Perhaps to stop Keido? Or maybe something else. I expect to see the third Leukocyte to come into play.

And let's not forget, Gai's back. Is he a clone? Or did they revive his body? If so, How did they get their hands on his Body?

What do you think?


I must say, you always seem to bring up some good points.

I had the feeling that the armada might be there to destroy Tokyo and that I understand where Shu is coming from when asked those questions to Argo and at least it showed that he still had a caring bone in his body, but now his totally lost it.

I'm not sure how they got Gai's body, if it is his real body, but I think the question is weather this Gai is bad or not (obviously he's most likely bad)?

All the questions you came up with will most likely be answered in the last few episodes.
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02-09-12, 5:54 PM

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And finally who else watched Shu get punched almost a 1000 times
I don't know but for you in the spoilernow you can watch it forever.

Actually it is funny. I ROFL looking at it.

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02-09-12, 5:56 PM

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I hate this show.
I came in expecting Shu to mature like Simon did in Gurren Lagann and then for it to get awesome and exciting, but it just kept letting me down.
The opening made me get hype again cause I thought the new opening was kinda showing Shu was gonna become a really cool guy who wore Gai's coat, but he's not. WHY...? The only thing I can look forward to is Shu becoming a cool guy in the last 2 or 3 episodes, but I am going to dread the next couple of episodes. ;_;


It would be nice if he did. However, it took time for Simon to step up and become a leader. Even then, Simon's leadership style wasn't nessecarily the best for most situations. Kicking Butt, Yes. In time of Peace, not so much. Shu isn't getting the time he needs to get his head on straight, which is what Simon had after Kamina's Death.

Shu has the potential to become a leader, a great leader even. But this won't happen with all the garbage he's being subjected to. Keido and Company are pushing Shu towards someting and we can be certain that whatever, that is, it's not going to be a good thing for Shu and Company.
Summoning Dark: "What kind of human creates his own policeman?"

Watcman: "One who fears the dark."

"And so he should," said the enity, with satisfaction.

"Indeed. But I think you misunderstand. I am not here to keep the darkness out. I'm here to keep it in." There was a clink of metal as the shadowy watchman lifted a dark lantern and opened it's little door. Orange light cut through the blackness. "Call me . . . the Guarding Dark. Imagine how strong I must be."

The Summoning Dark backed desperately into the alley, but the light followed it, burning it.

"And now," said the watchman, "get out of town."
 
02-09-12, 6:02 PM

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Not many characters here that are likable. Best part was when that guy owned Shu in the fight. Just shows you Shu is useless without voids. I knew Gai would be brought back alive, stuff is too predictable. I wonder if Inori's void break will she die as well?


Shu got owned coz he's too soft in that state, just as Yahiro stated. He could've killed Argo in an instant just like he did with endlaves. -_- Yeah I also wanna see if Inori will die when her void breaks. Seeing an "A" rank Void got easily destroyed, wanna know how tough her unmeasurable void gets. :D
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02-09-12, 6:23 PM

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This episode, I think, finally won me over. I like how instead of a complete personality change, shu still has a pretty weak character. He acts tough now, and isn't as hesitant as before, but he still doesn't seem to be emotionally strong... Oh man I cant explain this right at all.

On another note: Not impressed with Gui. Just, Why?
 
02-09-12, 6:24 PM

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Hare would be disappointed. =|.
 
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