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totally agree - h.o.t.d. seiyuu were amazing! one of the best anime in recent history - great mix of sexy, funny, and scary as hell!!!

I didn't say the weren't amazing. I'm just saying in some ways english dubs are superior especially during the funny scenes such as the bath scene in hotd lol. The only way in my opinion a dub is going to suck is when they completely change the animation, use VAs that wouldn't suit a paper bag or change the story *cough* 4kids *cough*

And I have been saying that for years, that we should have an anime channel dedicated to subs, I don't like watching them online because of the subpar quality (streaming), and I don't like downloading either lol. Takes me about 17 minutes to dl 1 ep on an average connect, which just sucks because I could have the whole ep by then.

I'm not gonna rewatch it or anything, but I'll probably see how good the dub is for the 1st episode, hopefully they don't change the OP...

sub channel idea truly awesosub channel idea would be wonderful! i'm in the same boat with slow downloads and/or low quality, or unplayable-on-my-dinosaur-computer 10-bit encodes - also have to admit there are VERY occasionally some fairly decent dubs (i.e. - fullmetal alchemist, inuyasha, cowboy bebop, etc.) but only watched them in the past because of non-access to computer viewing + japanese language is the most beautiful and musical sound (just makes me happy to hear!)..........

I'll watch it out of curiosity.

That very well might be the case. Can you point me to some good ones?



Sorry, I need to correct myself here. I meant that for animes without much emotional pull to them, the quality of the voice work in my opinion is less important. It's hard to feel emotionally engaged in a scene when they say it in the most monotonous voices..



Yes, most Japanese VAs make me cringe when they speak in English. But, often times, as we are watching Japanese anime, it is done for a particular reason such as highlighting a particular character trait, situation or simply for laughs. Also, we are talking about Madoka, an anime which has some pretty heavy emotions and themes. How the story is conveyed is important. Voice work is as important as anything else to pull the viewer into the world and to make it believable. In an anime like HOTD (ugh...), it was meant to be a giant joke so the VAs could do whatever voice they wanted to and it would not have detracted from it a single bit. I'd assume poor voice work made the anime "more funny" in this degree as you have mentioned.

I will have to poke your argument that most dubs are average-good. Most of the mainstream anime series not on American television have dubs that want to bash your head into the wall and keep your head in there.

These don't work well coming from the same person. One thing is true: most dubs these days are average-good; most people on the internet just won't see them that way because the internet is heavily biased towards weeaboos and anti-dub fans. Someone like you can usually be shown a legitimately good/decent dub and you'd call it crap just because it's in English. And I don't mean that offensively (though it obviously isn't very flattering), it's just what I've come to know from my years on the internet. Anti-dub fans always go in already believing it's bad and just don't let it be good.

I wonder how this will turn out?

Nonononono.



I'm normally all for English dubs, but this sounds fucking terrible.

Good blog post about the R1 release in general.

Clannad's English dub is probably the best English dub I've ever seen. Also:

Baccano!
Kanon
Final Fantasy Advent Children
Code Geass
Spice and Wolf
Lucky Star
Haruhi Suzumiya

Just to get you started.

It doesn't sound amazing, but terrible? That's overreacting (but normal for anti-dub fans). And it's just a trailer anyway. It doesn't have any of the "big" scenes.


This is rather interesting since most people think Clannad's dub is bad, even dub fans. I myself think it's somewhat mediocre and disappointing from Sentai.

You obviously missed the part where I said I'm for English dubs. To expound upon that, I'll pretty much always watch in English if it's available. So no, I'm not "anti-dub."

How often do you watch - and like - a dub after having already seen the show subbed? Because I find that's most of the reason people think dubs sounds terrible. They are too used to the Japanese voices. It happens to me, too. I thought the trailer sounded weird/bad at first, but the more I listened to it, the more it grew on me and now I think the dub ought to reasonably good.

But I hope you don't think you can judge the whole thing based on the trailer. Not that I'm saying you are.


It's true. I mean I love Clannad (It's only my #1 favorite anything entertainment of all time), and there are no major problems, it's just a bunch of little things that add up.

The other dubs you listed are all good, though.

Btw, I recognize your name. Did you post regularly in the Sub vs. Dub topics?

Well, none yet. Because I just recently got really into anime this summer, so I haven't really been around long enough to watch something as it aired in Japan and then be released in English later.

Even of the VAs have much more capability than what is shown in the trailer, the only voice that fits is Hiromi's. Everyone else just sounds retarded--especially Madoka. (And Kyouko's VA sounds like she has no talent whatsoever. *Checks resume* Yup. She's a noob. Like pretty much the rest of the cast.)

I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. Agree to disagree.

There are sub vs. dub topics? Sign me up!

Lol no. You probably just recognize me from the Guilty Crown forum. I became rather infamous over there.

Well then, consider that a likely possibility.


New =/= bad, not necessarily. It may even be a good thing because we've never heard the voice and have no other character to connect it to. Only if it's good, of course. And come on, Kyouko had like one line in that trailer. Withhold judgement for now, sheesh.

You've made your point that you support dubs, but one thing you have in common with the anti-dub fanbase is this obvious pessimism for a new dub.


Would you like me to list these minor problems or leave it be?


Ah, that would do it. I had some fun over there, too.

True, but generally, lack of experience is not a good sign. Only inexperienced VAs I've seen to date that were actually really good were Newton Pittman and Lindsay Seidel (Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom), and even then it took Mr. Pittman some time before he really started bringing Zwei to life.

Yeah. And it was one line that literally made me cringe at how badly delivered it was/bad it sounded.

Define "new dub."

I'm kind of scared it might ruin my opinion about it, but I'm slightly curious. If you'd like to PM me about it sure--but keep it vague/general at first and don't point out specifics (on the first go). I'll decide afterwards if I want specific examples.

Yeah... Let's call it that...

This is good news for me, I was interested in the series and prefer the dubs to subs so I'll be checking this out. Thanks for sharing. :)

Dub comes out for a show you've previously seen subbed.


No problem.

I thought it was actually great. Although I didn't really like this one characters voice, but she was only in one episode so it was alright. Another problem is that they pronounced names wrong here and there. Despite its flaws the dub overall is great and it still made me cry just as much as the Japanese version so Sentai must have done something right also David Matranga's voice for Tomoya is hgggggnnn. I have no regrets for refusing to buy the subbed version and waiting patiently and hopefully for the dub.

I don't have much to say about the Clannad or Madoka dubbed since I've only seen clips of each and it can take a few episodes a VA to ease into their role, but it is true that watching the subbed version first makes a big difference.

Personally I think these are all top-notch dubs, both by translations and voices. There's a lot more I enjoy, but it could just be personal preference in some cases.

Baccano!
Eden of the East
Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Ouran High School Host Club
Fullmetal Alchemist (not Brotherhood)
Darker Than Black
Black Lagoon
Golden Boy (more of a joke dub, but it's a comedy, so it makes it even more hysterical)

Couldn't watch it because it kept on saying "Loading" on mine. Guess I won't be watching any anime that is live stream anymore.
Might as well wait until Monday since I pre-ordered the DVD a while back and it's being delivered to me on that day.