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For the most part, the episode hit the most important items from the novel. It missed/glossed over a lot of detail due to how deep it gets and how few episodes there are left. Really hoping that the finale was 39+ episodes now :\ Would have had a few more flat episodes like this but details would have been much clearer.

wasn't wilhelmina always annoying ish D:?

I don't know why majority seems to be hating on Sophie Sawallisch. Remember that she is a leader, and she is just acting ... as a leader. In fact, she is a good leader.

So much useless dialogue. So much repetitive dialogue. So much of absolutely nothing happening. This episode was completely empty. JC Staff likes wasting the viewers' time on nothing it seems and because of pointless trashy episodes like this, the actually important action episodes don't have time and become rushed and sloppy making the whole show suck.

Also, I'm getting really annoyed at how characters like to finish each others' sentences in this show so much.

Time for a quick breather, it seems. Especially when the Flame Haze just got off from a very costly, perhaps debilitating defeat (did they just say that around 80% of the entire Flame Haze army were casualties?) like that one. Perhaps guerrilla warfare might be one of the few remaining options left for them now.

Well, to me it's not at all that bad to see them catch a short break (assuming it IS a short one) once in a while, from nearly nonstop combat. It's been a long time since Shana enjoyed her favorite melon bread, too. Not to mention carefully planning your next move is always a vital step in war.

Interesting.

Way to much chat-chat, I want some more action or plot development.

Shana is really pissing me off.
Didn't the the god of creation already said they won't need to eat human...and I think it's just the world that is being cloned, not the people.
I am sure Yuji also said the crimson denizen will stay out of their their way- meaning human and flame haze.
Why the hell there would be disaster in the future...Can she see in the future. And she keeps saying she wants to fight...like seriously...
Never though flame haze would be this stupid O_O and annoying...

I normally would have loved a non-action dialogue-focused episode at this point, but this episode literally felt empty to me. This was suppossed to be the episode where the characters developed their reasons for fighting, but none of the reasons amounted to anything. I can't believe that not a single character has even so much as wondered "am I on the right side?" Even Shana, the only one who had an actual logical reason to fight, just repeated what the God of the Earth said and demonstrated no critical thoughts of her own (she trusts him over her beloved Yuji why?)

I pray this doesn't turn into "keep fighting for no reason and the story will make sure you remain the good guy."

If Flame Hazes are fighting to keep balance, isn't that the same as fighting a battle with no end? They can't win or balance will be broken and they can't loose or balance will be broken.

Maybe the Guze and flame hazes should all just be killed off. End of battle wile maintaining balance.

Yawn show is just dragging on.

Their motivation for fighting really was weak. Probably the biggest reason why I'm not liking the show that much.

Although I could kinda see why preventing catastrophe thounsands of years down the road might be a right thing to do, it's kind of ignorant because they don't really know for sure. They're just assuming as long as the tomogara exist and do their existence business, then the world will continue to be distorted and the only solution is to wipe them out.

ON the other hand the story kinda stuck itself in a hole because for the Flame Hazes it's kind of hard for them to just trust their opponent all of a sudden even if their opponent seem to seek peace by moving into a new world. If anything their will to fight is more or less to seek their own survival, not really humanity's existence. After all, even when Yuji declared his goals the Denizens was still killing every flame haze they could see. :/

In the end both side refuse to listen and negotiate with each other. One side is just doing their business and the other is doing theirs. When the only negotiation is between Yuji and Shana it was kinda silly when mostly Shana was thinking about love and Yuji was thinking about grander things.

haha, marco is hilearous, start of the episode. Everyone's all gloomy and he tries to cheer everyone up. I just love that guy lol.


So most of this episode deals with the planning of thier next move. I don't understand shana's reasoning at all. It makes no sense to me. Didn't yuji already clearly state that the reason he is creating a replica world is so all of the tomagara can live off of the infinite amount of existence, their for they do not have to cross over to any other world to feed off of the denizens. Leaving that word safe for ever. So how does shana come to a conclusion that in the near future, which in a millennium that eventually both worlds will become distorted. Once again a very nonsensical plot that makes no sence, either that or shana is just idiotic and doesn't know the hell she is taking bout.

Now they are on thier way to new york to meet the other 3 gods of the motherland.

It was nice seeing yuji's dad agian even though he doesn't remember his existence any longer. Shana walked right past him and he didn't even realize.

So now shana's group heads to new york and the trinity heads back to misaki city in japan.

preview of next ep



New ending theme was pretty cool. This episode was ok, but the next is what i really want to see.

What do you mean exactly?

That, and the fact there is a way to live without killing humans as shown by Lamies/Spiral Organ, together with no Tomogorra decided this on his own, and Yuji didn't order them to do so leaves me with the impression that Yuji would still create this new world if they could show that it would ineviatable come to this catastrophe.

He would argue "i will figure something out in the mean time". What? You had some thousand years to figure something out.

If he would be interested in real peace, he would have done several things:

Started negotiating even before retrieving his body, order the Tomogora to stop eating people (at least if they can avoid it, would depend on the amount of Torches available at all times), and stopped them from pursuing the retreating flame haze.

Especially the last..really? He was like: "Why do you fight? We can have peace! Drop your weapons now, so my army can slaughter you, once you are all gone, there will be no more war, ever! See? I have everything planned out!".

Instead they started to attack Outlaw all over the world, he went retrieving his body, and when the Flame Haze started a counterattack he did not stop the fighting, but decided this was the best moment to finally announce his plans he was asked about several times before by Shana, which surprisingly (a god that had thousand of year to plan his comeback down to the minute surely didn't think of the impact his speech would have on the enemy..) led to a drop of moral in the Flame Haze army which were slaughtered without mercy, many Tomogora actually seemed to enjoy it.

And Sydonay would even have killed Shana, just because Yuji didn't explicitily tell him not to. So either Yuji did this on purpose, because he no longer has any use for Shana, or even now his subordinates go knowingly against his wishes (he clearly showed that Shana is not to be killed in the incident with Hecate - and Hecate is even Sydonays superior).

Even now he didn't use the time to negotiate, he didn't even consider it once, instead he orders to immediately move the Sereiden to Misaki city, not even taking time to cloak it again, because Outlaw could find our or they could be attacked.

Really? The Flame Haze lost 80% of their army they had *after* the Tomogora destroyed many Outlaw offices, they even killed two of the most powerful Flame Haze with Samuel and Centerhill, and they still have to hurry and have no time for anything because of the Flame Hate?

This is not even a lame excuse, it's outright bullshit. Yuji could take all the time he needs to explain it in detail to every single flame haze one by one until they are convinced he is right, after all, he can simply proceed with it like he does now if needed, or order his army to attack them again.

This together with even Centerhill (and the others probably too, they wouldn't be waiting for them otherwise) agreeing to join the fight and telling them the real reason what causes the unbalance, there is simply no reason to believe any word Yuji says.

He could have avoided everything if he talked to Shana once he was back, he decided not to. Also, it's not the Flame Haze job to negotiate. They were created to fight against anyone who disturbs the balance. If the Flame Haze attack you in your own city, you clearly did something very wrong. Either the reason for the attack is true, or you failed terriblly in trying to prevent it. Or you never tried, like Yuji, after all, you can only fail if you try.

I don't exactly agree on the way the Flame Haze do some stuff, like Sophie is really weird, that they immediately lost reason to fight there, and them suddenly coming up with a new reason thats essentially the same..but given the circumstances, they are doing a pretty good job.

@ClemensIV: They didn't throw that out, he mentioned that at least once directly. He even said the one that created him is "there" when heading to the battle then.

Shana's reason for fighting is stupid. If a disaster were to occur in a few thousand years, that gives the flame haze's a few thousand peaceful years to determine what to do if it happens.

But if they get Pheles and the last 3 gods of earth....what a killing team!

How Chigusa remembers Shana? In her previous appearance where Carmel asked Chigusa about Shana, Chigusa asked her back 'who is Shana?'. WTF plot-hole?

Think it probably had something to do with Shana's powers being sealed.

Marco has cracked me up since season 1, cause hes funny & he has big mouth LOL